PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

It kind of looks like an f16

Yep, but with a powerful AESA radar, powerful engine, more hardpoints, more weapon varieties and better avionics.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Additionally - does this mean that the new J10C's have pure chinese ejection seats and not the Martin Baker ones? No new contract was announced for 35(36) units etc.

I wonder if the initial order includes any 2-seaters?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Additionally - does this mean that the new J10C's have pure chinese ejection seats and not the Martin Baker ones? No new contract was announced for 35(36) units etc.

I wonder if the initial order includes any 2-seaters?

If there are it would be J-10S, which is based on the J-10A. I’m not aware of any upgrades two seaters. However, there is a possibility that the J-10D might be a twin seater EW bird based on the J-10C. That’s just a rumor right now so don’t take my word for it.

 

[KaiserX]

Hate to pop your bubble but stealth needs to be designed from the ground up. According to the J-20 designer even something as small as a rivet has to be taken into account. Does the J-10P have reduced RCS? Definitely. Is it stealth? No.

I think the question is if the J10CP is more stealthy than the J10A then the answer is yes, it is more stealthy via reduced RCS meaning it will take longer to show up on enemy radar also meaning the chances of it seeing the enemy first increases.

Overall with the J10CP procurement this confirms the PAF sees the utility of a Medium weight 4.5 generation combat aircraft going into the long term. Post-2022 PAF seems to be geared towards full focus on the JF17b3, J10cp, and AZM program. Everything will be about combat integration with the PLAAF with common weapon systems/platforms.

Furthermore I have seen some Chinese members here claim that China is relunctant to share 5th generation tech with Pakistan. Dont forget China is the country which shared the most valuable weapon tech in history (Nuclear) with Pakistan 5th generation fighter tech is prob at 20% of the industrial/knowledge scale of nuclear tech... Pakistan- China do not share close language or cultrual/religious ties as US/UK or US/Israel do where a similar level of cooperation have occurred which means whatever is shared is at the highest level of government/military.

 

[araz]

Any breach of security might lead to perma ban. If you have anything for your own information; do not violate the trust of source then. Any pic/detail might be shared if the Source allows and agrees to do so on purpose permitted officially, without harming Op-Sec/Military Info.

Regards,

Without going into the nitty gritty of it, with due respect I would disagree with you on this. I fully agree that the source needs to agree to share the photos on open forum. However the cat is out of the bag and it has been confirmed by Sheeda telli who is a Pindi boy anx close to establishment.
However, it is not my place to disregard forum rules and your enforcing them.
Kind regards
A

 

[siegecrossbow]

I think the question is if the J10CP is more stealthy than the J10A then the answer is yes, it is more stealthy via reduced RCS meaning it will take longer to show up on enemy radar also meaning the chances of it seeing the enemy first increases.

It is obviously stealthier than the J-10A due to the use of DSI, gold plated canopy, and “blockers” in front of the roots of the canards. Also rumor of RAM coating at various areas of the aircraft.

 

[araz]

I get that but I was asking on the lines since PAF has participated with and against the likes of F-22. Considering the relationship between the two sides I was curious to know if we ever participated against the J-20 or in conjunction against mutual threats.

Yes we have.
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[Polestar 2]

I am one of the nay sayers. We all said it did not make sense to us as to why PAF needed another 4.5generation platform in the presence of block 3 which has not (officially) been inducted. We could not work out the need for such a platform especially in our resource constained environment. None of us would be unhappy to be proven wrong and as long as PAF has chosen the J10 due to its capabilities we would be very happy for PAF and Pakistan. Disagreement was based on logic rather than any grudge against the platform .
However, since the picture of Haseeb Paracha in Chinese platform emerged 2-3 years ago, Sir Bilalkhan 777 said he saw both J10 and J11/16 in PAF. This to me was the earliest confirmation as far as Iam concerned although other posters have since pointed to arrival in first quarter of 22.
A

Then you need to ask yourself this question why China never inducted the JF-17 if its capabilities are matching to J-10 or near on par.

Not to mention ,JF-17 and J-10 are both design by China. There is no better authority than China to gauge which is better and the very reason why PLAAF induct J-10 only.

 

[GriffinsRule]

You mean the very ones who claimed that PAF rejected the J-10...

Somehow this news is not very exciting to me. I was hoping we would not see this jet in PAF colors ever as it's procurement bellies other serious issues (failures) in Pakistan. Either way, the one upside is pilots won't be flying 1960 era old jets

 

[Ali_Baba]

If there are it would be J-10S, which is based on the J-10A. I’m not aware of any upgrades two seaters. However, there is a possibility that the J-10D might be a twin seater EW bird based on the J-10C. That’s just a rumor right now so don’t take my word for it.

It would make sense to have a J10S which is based on the structural enhancements of the J10C called J10D ...

Maybe the slip of the tongue by Rasheed was he was meant to to say J-10S and not JS-10 .. and that they are all 2 seaters designed to replace the Mirages in the strike role - lol !!! ( wild speculation i know - but PAF has not been very clear about any of this).

What we could have now is an integrated wall of defence that combines the HQ-9P, HQ-16s, JF17 Block IIIs and J10Cs all operating in an integrated fashion over Kashmir. A Very toxic combination for the IAF ..

 

[Trango Towers]

Then you need to ask yourself this question why China never inducted the JF-17 if its capabilities are matching to J-10 or near on par.

Not to mention ,JF-17 and J-10 are both design by China. There is no better authority than China to gauge which is better and the very reason why PLAAF induct J-10 only.

Simple it's a light Wright fighter and look at what China's requirements are and their enemies.

 

[TNT]

He is photographer and one of pic of JF-17 with REK (or Turkish Targeting pod) was his work. I think he has shahre some of his clicks at plane spotter as well


@TNT

Maybe u are misunderstanding me for someone else. I am not a photographer, i have shaky hands and my phone pics are blurry too .

 

[Skywalker]

Ohhhh Is it? Best of luck for that. We will know it in 3 months.

burnol bhaijoon.

 

[KaiserX]

Then you need to ask yourself this question why China never inducted the JF-17 if its capabilities are matching to J-10 or near on par.

Not to mention ,JF-17 and J-10 are both design by China. There is no better authority than China to gauge which is better and the very reason why PLAAF induct J-10 only.

Different strategies and concepts. The PAF decided to go with network centric warfare early on operating an advanced and proper C4I system since the early 2000s. This entails the usage of light aircraft linked with one another backed by AWACs. Similar to the strategy Sweden/Finland follow but at a much larger scale. This is the reason the PAF has always emphasized link-17 capabilities in the JF17 along the lines of the link-16 in the F16/Gripen.

The PLAAF has to assert dominance in the pacific and needs a long range fighter. In a localized conflict where the PAF is able to assert AWAC/Local ground radar coverage the JF17 neglects any aircrafts longer radar range. One of the reasons why the PAF has almost 1 AWAC aircraft per 35-40 fighter jets. Much higher than the IAF/PLAAF.

 

[truthseeker2010]

J-11B was pitched to PAF as well. I think PAF is happy with the capability of J-10C's engine and it's bvr. Especially after the news that PLAAF has removed flankers from Taiwan zone and have places J-10s

J-11 or a similar flanker.

At most i would say its not J-11.