PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Zarvan]

Ispr has never announced Navy and PAF procurements in the past as well. Correct me if I am wrong. Spokesperson is not authorized to give clear cut confirmation though in his press conference, he very much said yes to J10s.

He was trying his best to avoid the answer but news is already out so couldn't avoid it fully

 

[mudas777]

Wrong!. Military deals / agreements take long time. So you can't be sure of that. The 08 submarine deals was signed in 2016. The first 2 Type 54 A/Ps were signed in 2017.

It happens all the time, many military deals were signed up in Musharaf's time but they were received during PPP time.


Actually you never know. PAF is getting J-10Cs that for sure. But the air-show could be done by the chinese aerobatic team as seen in the screenshot.

Even Chinese aerobatic team showed up with J10 as long as the planes carry the Pakistani flags that will be enough for the Indians laundry bill going up.
Just imagine if J20 makes a special appearance for the 23 March probably that may cause flood in the Ganges. .

 

[luciferdd]

I didn’t say it was a copy - however taking design elements such as airframe, hud design, systems and so on into the J-10 would make logical sense. If it helped solve problems which the design team was facing then why not?
There is some truth to the Lavi to J-10 story but it isn’t the “copy” aspect. There were design notes exchanged which did result in the strong resemblance. It is the same as saying the JF-17 is the mig-33 which it isn’t but design notes were brought in. The F-7G cranked delta began its life as a rough sketch by a Grumman engineer for the super-7 project.

A copy is the PL-8 missile straight from the Python-3 with little changes initially.

You are wrong again,in the early many techs and equipments on J-10A were came from Europe especially from France,even you can say that it is of European descent but it's nothing about the US.

 

[Thorough Pro]

if the journalist is from an English newspaper, he would ask the questions in English. Why do you post in English on this form?

When we are in England do they change the language for us? My point was we should be proud of urdu and speak in urdu. If that puts international media at a disadvantage so be it. They are not our friends anyways

 

[SQ8]

You are wrong again,in the early many techs and equipments on J-10A were came from Europe especially from France,even you can say that it is of European descent but it's nothing about the US.

Ok - Ill be wrong and the F-16 fuselage section that came to China from some operator never came. Unless your English is not good so you think it came directly from the US

 

[luciferdd]

Ok - Ill be wrong and the F-16 fuselage section that came to China from some operator never came. Unless your English is not good so you think it came directly from the US

F-16 fuselage section means nothing,Hundreds F-16 had been crash at the past 40 years i don't think anyone had been R&D a jet base these fuselage sections.don't you know the us wants to export their F-16 with old J79 to China at 1980s,but China refused it.Canard delta wing J-10 is totally different from F-16.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi,

The subject of Lavi was of serious discussion in the US congress many a decades ago.

Israel was severly reprimanded for that.

So, I made a point about people calling the J-10 a copy of the Lavi, and you attack me for it with an incredibly vague and general point about Israel helping China. The two are very different points. Could Israel have helped China with flight control technology? Possibly. But is the J-10 a copy of the Lavi just because it follows a similar design configuration or because Israel may have helped with some inputs? No.

Anyways...

I noticed you have this habit of attacking someone, but without bringing a relevant argument to the point made.

Why do you do that? It's an honest question.

 

[SaadH]

Hi,

That is an absolutely pathetic and pi-ss poor post from you.

The subject of Lavi was of serious discussion in the US congress many a decades ago.

Israel was severly reprimanded for that.

Now that's a bit dramatic, were they sanctioned or their military and financial support suspended?

Why are people giving Israelis a pass here on Lavi, which in itself was based on F-16's, with only the horizontal stabilizers moving into the canard positions and the rest of the aircraft from intakes to nose to canopy to vertical stabilizer bearing strong resemblance to F-16.

 

[ejaz007]

Pakistan confirms Chinese ‘Firebird’ fighter acquisition
By Usman Ansari
Monday, Jan 3

Four Chengdu J-10 fighter jets of China's Bayi flight demonstration team perform at a media preview of the Singapore Airshow on Feb. 9, 2020. (Mike Yeo/Staff)
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan has officially confirmed its long-speculated acquisition of the Chinese J-10C Firebird fighter jet, which is slated to arrive in time to take part in the March 23 Pakistan Day Parade.
Rasheed Ahmed, Pakistan’s interior minister, told the media last week the country acquired 25 aircraft. He linked them as a counter to India’s growing Rafale fleet.

He did not detail the value of the deal, and a source familiar with Pakistan’s military acquisition programs said he does not know if the fighters were “purchased or loaned to Pakistan’s Air Force.”
However, the source said, he is “more inclined to the latter, as [the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force] may have given a few units to the Pakistan Air Force to test on a delayed cost basis.”
Richard Fisher, a senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, told Defense News there “is imagery suggesting that finished J-10Cs at the Chengdu factory are ready for near-immediate transfer,” referring to a manufacturing location in China.

Pakistan’s interest in the J-10 spans more than 10 years. The country was first interested in the FC-20 export variant of the single-seat J-10A. This was part of the wider Armed Forces Development Plan 2015, derailed by a lack of funding under the 2008-2013 Pakistan Peoples Party administration.
Pakistan’s interest in the FC-20 was partially driven by a need to complement its F-16, when further acquisition of that program appeared unlikely.
Pakistan also reportedly examined acquiring the Russian Su-35 Flanker-E, potentially to help better cover naval operations in the Arabian Sea.
When speculation first arose of a Pakistani J-10C purchase in early 2021, it was linked with one of the Pakistan Air Force squadrons based in Karachi.

China’s naval air arm, the PLANAF, operates the earlier J-10AH and J-10SH Firebird variants from shore as multirole aircraft. Though unconfirmed, Pakistan may operate its aircraft similarly.
Pakistan’s Firebirds are believed to be the J-10CE export variant of the latest J-10C, featuring an active electronically scanned array radar and long-range PL-15 air-to-air missiles. Twenty-five aircraft could equip two squadrons of 12 aircraft each.
Royal United Services Institute airspace analyst Justin Bronk said the J-10C will significantly boost Pakistan’s air power.
“The J-10C is a potent modern multirole light fighter, which represents a rough Chinese equivalent to a modern F-16 Block 60/70,″ he said.

However, he noted, it’s not quite on a par with the Rafale.
“The AESA radar and access to the long-ranged PL-15 air-to-air missile make it a potentially serious long-range threat to non-stealth aircraft, although it might still struggle as a counter to India’s Rafale at long ranges. The latter’s superior kinematic performance and access to the Meteor missile [provide] a decent counter to the PL-15,″ Bronk said. “The J-10C is also unlikely to be able to match the Rafale for electronic warfare capabilities.”

Pakistan confirms Chinese ‘Firebird’ fighter acquisition

Pakistan has officially confirmed its long-speculated acquisition of the Chinese J-10C “Firebird” fighter, which will arrive in time to take part in the March 23 Pakistan Day parade.

www.defensenews.com

 

[Abid123]

Is the SU-35 rumour true?

 

[The Terminator]

May be, he is less informed than Sheikh Sahib.

Or may be he is a lot more tight lipped due to sensitive nature of his job unlike the pindi boy.

Like some Pakistani members here knew the induction of VT-4 all along but never told us for sure, but the Chinese people get the news earlier because Chinese Govt announced it's exports

 

[The Terminator]

Which makes me wonder what qualifies as an abnormal acquistion?

All the military acquisitions should tend to be well calculated and logical.

Any abnormal acquisition may be comprise of the combinations of the factors given below but not limited to these terms only:

Like an illogical purchase like inducting F104 today would be abnormal.

Acquisition pursuing a wrong, failed doctrine.

System being commissioned isn't thoroughly tested against similar systems available in the market would be abnormal.

The acquisition of a weapon system which doesn't fulfill the requirements and role it is being inducted for, may possibly be due to a biased/financially corrupt decision etc.

 

[The Terminator]

J-10C question well left by the DG ISPR. He talked a lot but he left the question unanswered for the news reporters.

But if you read the message in between the lines then we might have a huge news/rumor at our disposal.

DG ISPR 1st talked about the indigenization policy then said I can't confirm but "YES" we are upgrading to new technologies and acquisition as per the threat assessment. One may speculate from it that not only J-10C are coming, they are coming with some form of ToT for that upgrading indigenous tech too. Lol

yes he said "this is also an exercise in capacity building"

"so it's not an extra ordinary development i would say ..."

and then he said:
"i really can't confirm anything to you on that account but yes this is a step to upgrade our airforce fleet and get the best possible technology available.... because i know what kind technology is acquired on other side ..."

Exactly

 

[Aesterix]

Is the SU-35 rumour true?

Yes , I got a Honda Accord and my other ride is an SU 35.
Don't be jealous.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

This is an important year in our history as we mark platinum jubliee celebrations of Pakistani independence so we should also expect bigger official ceremonies on March 23rd, August 14 etc. When you do a bit grand function(s) than you also have to incorporate bigger items as main highlights of the show. March 23rd parade will be ideal ceremony to launch block3s, J10s and possibly Z10MEs.