PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[HAIDER]

If its coming with AL31 engine , then most lethal one with thrust vectoring capability ..

 

[The Eagle]

but it falls below the cutting-edge capabilities of the Rafale.

It is always necessary to mention such kind of lines to explain IAF Rafale induction and not to have RSS Lynch Mob visitors knocking on the Door. That's the kind of hype & over confidence once they had for Flankers and all the IAF fleet; costing them more than just conventional losses.

 

[HAIDER]

It is always necessary to mention such kind of lines to explain IAF Rafale induction and not to have RSS Lynch Mob visitors knocking on the Door. That's the kind of hype & over confidence once they had for Flankers and all the IAF fleet; costing them more than just conventional losses.

What do you expect from Indian sources.. lol... but on a serious note, the top cream of PAF knows India will try to strike Pakistan to revenge the Feb27 humiliation ..
Gen Musharraf was the biggest supporter of adding J10 in Pak inventory.

 

[The Eagle]

What do you expect from Indian sources.. lol... but on a serious note, the top cream of PAF knows India will try to strike Pakistan to revenge the Feb27 humiliation ..

Their failed attempts are expected since Independence. They will always try to inflict a damage so as in area of psychological war but PAF always turned the table on them. This time, a modern time humiliation in 2019 indeed pushed Modi to come with yet another stunt. Not just the same happened in 2019 but due to the age of internet, media and lot of sources where modern day Nazi wasn't able to manipulate without any counter argument.

 

[Jungibaaz]

It is always necessary to mention such kind of lines to explain IAF Rafale induction and not to have RSS Lynch Mob visitors knocking on the Door. That's the kind of hype & over confidence once they had for Flankers and all the IAF fleet; costing them more than just conventional losses.

Alhamdulillah, I hope they stay overconfident. It’s kind of amazing the mental gymnastics the online types engage in. But it makes the armed forces’ job easier, hopefully more Galwan and Swift Retort like episodes should they ever become audacious enough to test the waters again.

 

[The Eagle]

If its coming with AL31 engine , then most lethal one with thrust vectoring capability ..

AL31 is Russian Engine without TVC. Chinese origin WS-10 Engine is lauded more reliable. No engine has TVC on J-10C. I agree with rest of the comments about TVC on single engine fighter jet that results in nothing but complexity of system, weight, maintenance hurdles and above all having very less of utilization during actual fight.

 

[Deino]

Pakistan defence news has post a image showing J10C at Chengdu

I cant repost it here anyone following them

it bit small on phone will check when I get home it shows 20 x J10C in grey camo and 1 yellow primer ?

someone check it out on Facebook

Please post it or at least a link!

 

[The Eagle]

Solid evidence of 25 J-10C for PAF.

My dear friend, even I shared these pictures long ago on another thread merely to tease everyone and then had the conversation with @Deino as well. It was almost 6 or 7 months ago if I am not wrong. Doesn't carry any weight in current circumstances of J-10CP for PAF or such is the least evidence to support the argument. Furthermore, does anyone remember numbers & numbers of J-10 outside production factory during pandemic. We had threads as well and it was argued that most of them are awaiting new WS-10 engines.

 

[Deino]

Solid evidence of 25 J-10C for PAF.

No it is not, in fact it is fake!

These J-10Cs at CAC were spotted in late April and as I noted so often, were most likely sent to the PLAAF's 25th and 16th Air Brigades.

 

[MH.Yang]

If 25 planes take off at one time, there should be more than 25 planes. According to the Complete preparation rate 75%, the number of aircraft should not be less than 30. I guess there should be 36 J10c, two squadrons.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Their failed attempts are expected since Independence. They will always try to inflict a damage so as in area of psychological war but PAF always turned the table on them. This time, a modern time humiliation in 2019 indeed pushed Modi to come with yet another stunt. Not just the same happened in 2019 but due to the age of internet, media and lot of sources where modern day Nazi wasn't able to manipulate without any counter argument.

IMO they wont use rafale for A2A engagements unless IAF would be hell sure that IAF's numbers are at least twice or more against PAF's JF or any lesser fighter in that area at the anticipated time, even than Rafale would remain deep inside indian territory. They would also sync their AD before operating rafale. Last thing the IAF would want would be Paf BVR on its tale and rafale falling in Pakistan's territory. The repercussions of that would be not just be A2A kill but well beyond Pak vs India.

 

[The Eagle]

IMO they wont use rafale for A2A engagements unless IAF would be hell sure that IAF's numbers are at least twice or more against PAF's JF or any lesser fighter in that area at the anticipated time, even than Rafale would remain deep inside indian territory. They would also sync their AD before operating rafale. Last thing the IAF would want would be Paf BVR on its tale and rafale falling in Pakistan's territory. The repercussions of that would be not just be A2A kill but well beyond Pak vs India.

This is how one can differentiate between smart acquisitions V/s buying spree. Pakistan couldn't and will never race into numbers games rather, it is to make costlier for the rival for their survival. India believes in numbers parity and with smart acquisitions, reliable counter arrangements, familiarization with modern & advance tactics, keeping up with modern day changes in warfare arena and coping with new threats; PAF been doing the job well and still does so. Make it costlier if you cannot compete the number game. India will spend more and will still remain at disadvantage if PAF maintains the first see & first shoot capability like present. It is promised and will be fulfilled for India same it is.

 

[ziaulislam]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) thankyou for very insightful post as ever.

If, as you pointed out the PAF induction history and it makes sense, PAF is going for 90 odd J10 frames... then it would make imminent sense for PAC to have an assembly line for these birds.

For stop-gap/urgent delivery off-the-shelf is logical... but PAC needs to be able to assemble J10s in house...with some parts made-in-house.

Perhaps, PAC can become a supplier for CAC as the PLAAF needs alot of fighters.

With tooling and training upgrades we can lay the groundwork for longterm....

One does hope that this deal is not for ready made fighters... it must have something more than that for us...

PAC needs to evolve and be integerated into CAC/SAC or other major companies in the world as sub-contractor....

AZM is not just a plane... it is an infrastructure and capability for 5thGen environment...

One would be truly disappointed if we don't follow this path.

Mangus

Not really
Doubt PAC can make it cheaper then what china can provide
Its not a western jet that has high assembly cost

A depo level support sure but full assembly line probably not.

PAC has its hands full with jf17 and should churn around 250-300 in the future for PAF & exports

Ultimately even of we induct 70 j10s we would need atleast 250 thunders to get to 400 number by 2030
Add 10-12 lost in attrition to this number

IMO they wont use rafale for A2A engagements unless IAF would be hell sure that IAF's numbers are at least twice or more against PAF's JF or any lesser fighter in that area at the anticipated time, even than Rafale would remain deep inside indian territory. They would also sync their AD before operating rafale. Last thing the IAF would want would be Paf BVR on its tale and rafale falling in Pakistan's territory. The repercussions of that would be not just be A2A kill but well beyond Pak vs India.

Rafale was brought for strike missions
It is its primary role

 

[MH.Yang]

J10c is not used to replace F16, but to replace Mirage. PAF should replace F16 with 5G fighter.

 

[Bratva]

Some of the newer members might not have been around PDF to remember the SAM leak controversy we had here some years back. It pays to be cautious now.


I’d say forget thrust vectoring, nowhere in the world is it employed by in-service single engine fighter aircraft. Nor is it that useful, or worth the extra weight and complexity.

What’s far more important on the engine front is sufficient power and reliability. Although we don’t know the MTBO, pressure ratios, thrust specs... the fact that WS-10 is widely employed on single engine aircraft by the PLAAF should give us an indication of their confidence with employing it.

Its better to quote a very recent and fresh example. That Teacher who leaked the Swift retort op Pilot call. Air Intelligence was swift and identified the leaker quickly and put him behind the bars