PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[TheSolution]

It's a weird name. It implies we're going to eat dragons.

Halal simply means permissible, I don't think it's restricted to food, but it is mainly used in that context.

Halal dragons guarding our strike package against Rafale:

Kashmiris cheering us on, on the sidelines

 

[siegecrossbow]

OK my sources confirm induction ceremony for JF-10 in PAF will be held at 30 Feb, 2022

Should’ve been the 27th.

 

[MastanKhan]

I do agree with you that the Saudis, and Emiratis call us "miskeen."
That is why we need to improve the condition of our country so we are better respected.

We did the right thing by staying out of Yemen.

Why should we get killed in someone else's war?

Do you see Saudis and Emiratis declaring war on India over Kashmir.

Or does Saudis and Emiratis give us fuel and other supplies when we are at war with India?

Exactly, Pakistan First. I couldn't give a damn for anyone else's country.

Hi,

Son---history is fascinating---you only learn when you read it.

Our forefathers would call the europeans ugly, illiterate, dirty, filthy, untouchable, till they conquered our lands and made us their slaves world wide and now we are their whipping boys.

When posters like you and Bossman are so short-sighted---the average joe in pakistan is doomed.

 

[MastanKhan]

Last time when we were inducting JF-17s in the late 2000s, we were all expecting to have J-10s by 2014. Now that we are finally in the process of inducting J-10s how long are we going to take to induct a new fighter?

Hi,

Expectations of the outsiders were 2014 or close by---but then certain technologies started to show their positive side---and it was decided to let them progress and mature so that both the Jf17 BLK3 and the J10 C's were equipped with them for operational use.

Induction of the JF17 BLK 3 would take awhile---.

For a pilot used to non aesa radar---when he is put on an aesa equipped aircraft---he has to learn to UN-LEARN the conventional radar usage and adjust to the aesa radar---which is a totally different ball game---.

The pilot has to UN-LEARN how he fought the enemy with a non aesa radar and learn to understand how aesa works and how the fighting field that he is in is a totally different playing field.

So this issue will be dealt with by experienced pilots till the time came that the fresh young pilots would be coming straight to be trained on aesa radar and they would not know any other radar per say.

Technically---the induction to BLK3 and J10C is not going to be a cakewalk---.

It will be hard---it will be intense---and it will take time---.

To UN-LEARN a machine---wipe your memory and reflexes clean and then start over again---not an easy task.

MOST OLDER PILOTS WILL FALTER.

I wrote something similar on this forum over a decade ago---about the F22 pilots traing and the pilots got switched from non aesa to aesa radar---the hardest part to train them was to forget WVR combat and learn to fight BVR---no merges and learn to escape to come back and fight.

I am not saying the merges will not happen---. They won't happen intentionally.

That is why F16 is still the KING---been service for the longest in Paf colors.

 

[Khan vilatey]

There is a kabob chain in New York called Halal Bros but I don’t think it implies they want to eat bros.

They don’t eat bros…….damn I didn’t eat there because I always thought they served bros ….

Folks this is getting a bit retarded please please please stop this

K

 

[sneakerspark]

Should’ve been the 27th.

As i mentioned in my previous post, ferry flight might be conducted on 27th.

 

[Ghessan]

OK my sources confirm induction ceremony for JF-10 in PAF will be held at 30 Feb, 2022

even 29 Feb was enough to make a statement

 

[Princeps Senatus]

F-16, especially A-variant, probably has superior thrust to weight, so in a sustained turning battle it probably holds an advantage. However, the J-10C, being a delta-canard, has superior instantaneous turn rate, and also has high off-bore IR missile like PL-10 which is better than the Sidewinder variant currently in service with the PAF. I think in a dog fight it really boils down to pilot skill and whether they can leverage the advantage of the respective platform.

thank you for the objective unbiased analysis

 

[HRK]

even 29 Feb was enough to make a statement

members who might not aware that 2022 is not a leap year would have thought it true IF I had used 29th Feb as date for this light hearted joke ....

 

[Ghessan]

members who might not aware that 2022 is not a leap year would have thought it true IF I had used 29th Feb as date for this light hearted joke ....

that's clever!

 

[Vapnope]

It's a weird name. It implies we're going to eat dragons.

It also implies that there is some haram dragon out there

 

[HRK]

haram dragon

or haram samosa ....

 

[Pappa Alpha]

I'm glad that PAF is getting J-10C around this time and not earlier like in ~ 2014.
Do you guys think that JF-17 BLK III would have happened if PAF had got J10s earlier?

 

[The Eagle]

So far @The Eagle is OK with it

Until people start to make it necessary and quote in serious discussion.

 

[Corax]

Apologies in advance for bringing the Lavi back into the discussion, but if anyone is interested in the design aspects of a close-coupled delta canard, and how the data from the Lavi influenced the design of the J-10C, this video is extremely informative about the design and engineering aspects. Please note, the J-10C IS NOT a copy of the Lavi, what I'm trying to do here is to demonstrate how a similar design and engineering philosophy was used in both aircraft to achieve similar performance characteristics. In summary, both the Lavi and J-10C adopt a close-coupled canard delta design for improved aerodynamic efficiency, along with a thick wing root chord for greater fuel and load capacity, primarily intended for the strike role, and secondarily for A2A.

Key points from the video:

• The Lavi was designed primarily as a light/medium weight strike fighter, and secondary A2A fighter.
• Over 50% of total fuel volume is located in the wings, as apposed to around 20% in the F-16, allowing for more internal fuselage volume to be used for avionics and weapons.
• Thicker wing root section allows the Lavi to carry more with less weight - 13% higher MTOW than Block-30 F-16C with 10% lower empty weight, 50% greater combat radius than Block-40 F-16C with 20% lower empty weight.
• Close-coupled canard design improves aerodynamic efficiency and lift-to-drag ratio, for greater load carrying over longer ranges (similar to Gripen, Rafale, J-10C).