PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[ziaulislam]

This also means end of an era for f16s
No more f16 will come even if they are offered now(an impossibilty)

 

[aziqbal]

Congrats

how many have been spotted and which squadron is taking them ?

and whoever said it marks the end of the F16 it defiantly doesnt

 

[ghazi52]

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Congrats

how many have been spotted and which squadron is taking them ?

and whoever said it marks the end of the F16 it defiantly doesnt

J-10C will replace mirages not F-16 of PAF

 

[GriffinsRule]

"Pakistan contributed greatly to the J/F-7M program: although Pakistan did not purchase any F-7M and later returned all 20 F-7M's to China after evaluation to require China to provide a better fighter (which eventually resulted in F-7MP and F-7P), Pakistan did provide important support for F-7M program, after the then Vice Chief of the Air Staff of Pakistani Air Force (PAF) Air marshal Jamal A. Khan inspected prototypes in test flights in July 1983 at Dalian. Pakistani contribution includes:"

List of Chengdu J-7 variants - Wikipedia

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Unfortunately there is no citation for that statement on wiki so it's not necessarily accurate.
I will take a peak at the PAF official history books to see if there is any mention of this. Also given that there are no dates makes it even more suspect. What were the serial numbers on those jets? Etc etc

 

[hussain0216]

Project Azm or any 5th gen induction is many years away and we won't push or force ourselves until our enemies are almost ready to induct also

With no F16s coming a combination of JF17s and J10c are a perfect combo going forward



There was a question about whether J10c's would come at all, but now that they are here I expect a initial induction of 36 which will gradually grow alongside JF17s to anywhere between 50 and 100


I don't think the Indians can keep pace with the Raphael's especially with other buyer's

 

[Sayfullah]

Will Pakistan be integrating Raad on it?

 

[Aesterix]

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PLAAF seems to have both versions. The one with single big antenna and the one with two big antennas on the spine.
It seems more like a function of engine used , instead of a tailor made ammendment for Pakistan.

Look here.

 

[Deino]

So are we getting thrust vectoring with this engine? Is it WS10 or WS10B? I hope it has TVC!

It is the WS-10B like in all current J-10Cs but not the TVC WS-10B-3 as in none J-10C yet,

PLAAF seems to have both versions. The one with single big antenna and the one with two big antennas on the spine.
It seems more like a function of engine used , instead of a tailor made ammendment for Pakistan.

Look here.

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No, the one on top is a „C“ and as such has like all Cs these three antennas and the one on the bottom is the very first B with an early configuration

 

[Aesterix]

It is the WS-10B like in all current J-10Cs but not the TVC WS-10B-3 as in none J-10C yet,

And why this jet will need TVC?
More moving parts, means more points of failure and higher maintenance costs, and down time.

 

[iLION12345_1]

What would be interesting is with all the new orders for Rafale from other countries creating a big backlog. When india does put an order for more, what would be the delivery time frame for them? Probably next decade?

In the meanwhile if our J10 inventory build up reaches higher then their Rafales it will be competely blunted.

Very important point you’ve raised here actually, India might have made a major mistake in this regard, I’m not sure if they’ve already placed a follow up order for more Rafales after their initial 36, but if they haven’t then they won’t be getting any more till *post 2027* due to all the other countries that have made their orders. This could be a very major factor in defining the future of air power in the region. Again, this all depends on wether india has already made a follow up order or not.

And why this jet will need TVC?
More moving parts, means more points of failure and higher maintenance costs, and down time.

Where did he say that it needs or has TVC.

 

[Aesterix]

Will Pakistan be integrating Raad on it?

Why not?

Very important point you’ve raised here actually, India might have made a major mistake in this regard, I’m not sure if they’ve already placed a follow up order for more Rafales after their initial 36, but if they haven’t then they won’t be getting any more till *post 2027* due to all the other countries that have made their orders. This could be a very major factor in defining the future of air power in the region. Again, this all depends on wether india has already made a follow up order or not.


Where did he say that it needs or has TVC.

Others said. Not him.

 

[iLION12345_1]

So are we getting thrust vectoring with this engine? Is it WS10 or WS10B? I hope it has TVC!

There are no J10Cs with TVC nor does WS10B (the engine likely to be present in PAFs J10s) have TVC. That’s the WS-10-B3 and it’s not in service. PAFs J10s will not have TVC.

Will Pakistan be integrating Raad on it?

Unlikely, not the role it’s going to serve in. JF17s will carry Ra’ad. J10 is not replacing mirages, it’s complementing F16s to free up JF17s (older blocks) to replace mirages. New JF17s will replace F7PGs.

 

[Aesterix]

There are no J10Cs with TVC nor does WS10B (the engine likely to be present in PAFs J10s) have TVC. That’s the WS-10-B3 and it’s not in service. PAFs J10s will not have TVC.

With 5th generation High off bore missiles, the jet doesn't need TVC in offensive role.
Not sure about defensive or evasive situation when a SAM is on the tail.

 

[Deino]

And why this jet will need TVC?
More moving parts, means more points of failure and higher maintenance costs, and down time.

It does not, in fact I say since weeks if not months this is a ridiculous idea, but still some naive fan-boys here constantly hope it will and claim it would have.