PAF Chief in Washington

[batmannow]

I hate to say that but one cannot deny the fact that USA might have placed devices through which they can/are monitor/ing our F-16. However we can say the same about Russian jets as well. The only answer to the problem you are stating is that we develop our own fighters, luckily we have JFT.

Once I read in an Urdu newspaper that the avionics package that Chinese have provided us for JFT have some israeli components and those components can sent the exact location of thunders to Israel. I am not saying that its true and I don't trust the source but the point I trying to convey is until we don't develop a fighter from top to bottom we are prone to the threat you state.

Moreover fighter jets from multiple origins might be a remedy until then, and I think PAF think-tank has the same opinion as well that is why despite of the criticism we bought Mirage and went through ROSE program, we have F-16 and still want a couple of squadrons and now we are eyeing at Russian and Chinese options. The last part is purely my opinion and thinking, nothing that could be said for sure.

No not Russians !
& not Chinese , maybe they just have some tracking bugs but they never put any jamming pod in the machine it self ?
Its all about mind set , USA still thinks they are the only super power ,the worlds only policemen ,guarding the whole civilized western world ?
Russia or China they don't care , what & who is going to have a war against each others ?
Yes JFT is indeed a great development itself , but still Chinese & Russians aircrafts are good to fight at our will ?
So , that's the best we can do , for now ?

 

[A2Z]

No not Russians !

We haven't heard such a thing about Russia yet would be right.

not Chinese , maybe they just have some tracking bugs but they never put any jamming pod in the machine it self ?

Fighter being tracked is quiet worrying as well?

Russia or China they don't care , what & who is going to have a war against each others ?

They do. China even dared to threaten USA for Pakistan and during all Indo-Pak wars Soviet Union/Russian has helped and stood for India and is still more close to India then Pakistan. Latter being the fact that troubles me the most.

Yes JFT is indeed a great development itself , but still Chinese & Russians aircrafts are good to fight at our will ?
So , that's the best we can do , for now ?

I would go for Chinese jets rather than Russian. Though Russian flankers can easily out perform their Chinese cousins but at the moment China is the only country we can trust.

 

[airmarshal]

May be for Remaining F16 Block 52s details.
I think he should insists for Block 60s at least with AESA radar.

Block 60 is a customer specific platform and is not for worldwide sale. UAE spent entire $3 billion research and development fund of its own for this aircraft.

 

[MEAGAN FOXSS]

PAF CHIEF SHOULD BE IN RUSSIA PRESSLER AMENDMENT WAS A TECHNOLOGICAL WAR IMPOSED ON PAKISTAN BY AMERICA WE ARE STILL CATCHING UP BC OF PRESSLER AMEMDMENT AMERICA DIDN'T EVEN GAVE THE MONEY WHICH PAKISTAN GAVE FOR PURCHASING F-16S CAN U BELIEVE THAT . PAKISTAN SHOULD SHOP FOR AN ALL OUT AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER LIKE SU 35S .

We haven't heard such a thing about Russia yet would be right.

Fighter being tracked is quiet worrying as well?

They do. China even dared to threaten USA for Pakistan and during all Indo-Pak wars Soviet Union/Russian has helped and stood for India and is still more close to India then Pakistan. Latter being the fact that troubles me the most.

I would go for Chinese jets rather than Russian. Though Russian flankers can easily out perform their Chinese cousins but at the moment China is the only country we can trust.

AND WHEN HAS AMERICANS STOOD BY PAKISTAN CAN YOU TELL ME

 

[A2Z]

AND WHEN HAS AMERICANS STOOD BY PAKISTAN CAN YOU TELL ME

Never has and probably never would, I never said that. My statement was about Russia and China and how they care about India and Pakistan respectively. Please read the bold part below.
They do. China even dared to threaten USA for Pakistan and during all Indo-Pak wars Soviet Union/Russian has helped and stood for India and is still more close to India then Pakistan. Latter being the fact that troubles me the most.

 

[MEAGAN FOXSS]

AMERICA WILL BE KICKED OUT OF MIDDLE EAST BY RUSSIA. RUSSIA AND EGYPT RELATIONS ROCK SOLID RUSSIA AND SYRIA RELATIONS ROCK SOLID RUSSIA AND ALGERIA RELATIONS ROCK SOLID RUSSIA AND SAUDI ARABIA RELATIONS ROCK SOLID RUSSIA AND IRAQ RELATIONS ROCK SOLID. RUSSIA WILL DESTROY AMERICAN BACKED TERRORISTS IN SYRIA AND JEW AL QAEDA. RUSSIA WILL DESTROY AMERICA .

 

[araz]

What is your source or just usual hot air?
Are you suspecting speeches in parliament fake or your hard work of years long Saudi bashing, was fake?
You are not close to be convincing, but all administeation is thanking you... redifine benchmark of biased mentality.

What Pakistan should negotiate in US is new tariff of transit route and slam baseless mud slinging by new ANA and Indian role in Afghanistan.
F-16 is carrot on the stick. Its useless for Pakistan, In 80s Pakistan was not nuclear power.
Best shot would be to get quick deliveries of helis.

Bhai saheb.
Which side of the bed did you fall down from today. Read my post again. If you expect me to reveal my private conversations with either of the Shareefs on open fora you will be sadly disappointed. Where, by the way if you put your reading glasses on and read my post again, did I say anything other than that it is my own suspicion. There is no hot or cold wind about it. I have a hunch based on how quickly the rhetoric died down following Nawaz and Raheel Shareefs visit and how Shuja Pasha was thers for quite some time. This is the net where one can present ananalysis based on assumptions. Whether you agree with it or disagree is not my problem. If you have a counter thought present it to be analysed. Otherwise criticism for the sake of criticism does not do anyone any good.
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[Aamir Hussain]

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Block 60 is a customer specific platform and is not for worldwide sale. UAE spent entire $3 billion research and development fund of its own for this aircraft.

As far as i know, new build Blk 60's are up for sale with royalty clause for UAEAF on all sales of this mod. to offset the investment made by them.

 

[silent hawk]

Should try to acquire AIM 120- D, penguin and AIM-9X to improve capability of existing fleet.

 

[New World]

Never has and probably never would,

AND WHEN HAS AMERICANS STOOD BY PAKISTAN CAN YOU TELL ME

Actually America sided with Pakistan in 71 war.. American sent their aircraft carrier to Indian Ocean to pressurize india to halt its aggression but american carrier group was intercepted by russian nuclear subs.

 

[batmannow]

Never has and probably never would, I never said that. My statement was about Russia and China and how they care about India and Pakistan respectively. Please read the bold part below.
They do. China even dared to threaten USA for Pakistan and during all Indo-Pak wars Soviet Union/Russian has helped and stood for India and is still more close to India then Pakistan. Latter being the fact that troubles me the most.

Yes you are quite right ,
But you need to understand the fact is there I no Soviet Union now ?
& russia,s power lies in the cash flow supplied & controlled by China ?
as its only huge single investor ?
So therefor , China ,s investment in Russia has brought us very near with Russia these days ?
As for nearest future , I see a huge mutual respect & co-opreation between us & Russia & China ?
Even with India , or any where else we have no proves of Russian s tracking or putting jamming chips into their sold inventory , we can ho ahead with Russia or China , but never with France ,UK,or USA ?

Actually America sided with Pakistan in 71 war.. American sent their aircraft carrier to Indian Ocean to pressurize india to halt its aggression but american carrier group was intercepted by russian nuclear subs.

The result was the Bangladesh ?
So that means our dear uncle Sam , just found another excuse ?
What if that , was happening in state HAWAI ?

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As far as i know, new build Blk 60's are up for sale with royalty clause for UAEAF on all sales of this mod. to offset the investment made by them.

All u mean is that , they have put another excuse or blunt digger with that ?
is that manufacturing group of F-16S still is under dam white house or not ?
ITSA JUST ANOTHER DAM DIGGER NOTHING ELSE ?
I can bet you if really white house wants ,no one can stop that ?

 

[New World]

The result was the Bangladesh ?
So that means our dear uncle Sam , just found another excuse ?
What if that , was happening in state HAWAI ?

first it was not Hawai, which is part of USA..
second Cuban Missile crises was fresh episode.
third if there was any misfire from anyone(USA or Russia) than there wasn't any earth planet..

 

[batmannow]

We haven't heard such a thing about Russia yet would be right.

Fighter being tracked is quiet worrying as well?

They do. China even dared to threaten USA for Pakistan and during all Indo-Pak wars Soviet Union/Russian has helped and stood for India and is still more close to India then Pakistan. Latter being the fact that troubles me the most.

I would go for Chinese jets rather than Russian. Though Russian flankers can easily out perform their Chinese cousins but at the moment China is the only country we can trust.

It actually depends on why the tracking is being set forward ?
If its for own safety then that's not a problem in case of Russia ?
If its for , dictation in USA case , that's wrong from our POV?
USA sees , a developing hurdle (india) it can lunch at any time against China , so it will protect it for a rundown effect from Pakistan ?
In that case it can jam or track or even , close down certain level of technology , at a time of war between us & India ?
No one from PAF will ever speak the. Truth , that during kargill , it was demonstrated by USA , that some of our F- 16s , were unable. Even to start their engines ?
Thats why our army never was interested to bring our air force into action ?
This is part of our untold history ?
But we have moved forward from that , today at least our THUNDERS can give hot time to any one trying their will on us ?
But , russian hard ware are still safe for us , cause lot if their ,systems were being studied by our all weather brother China , so I'm sure if ,we go for SU-35s they will fly at any time we want ?
But not just against Russia ?
For them we can still use our F-16s with , whole support of NASA ?lolzz

first it was not Hawai, which is part of USA..
second Cuban Missile crises was fresh episode.
third if there was any misfire from anyone(USA or Russia) than there wasn't any earth planet..

Sure , then that's why India was awarded with nuclear deal ?
Not us ?
Wow great uncle Sam ?lolzz
Kid wakeup !

 

[batmannow]

After the visit of air chief of Pakistan ,PM & COAS are visiting USA on their seperate visits ?
Why not together ?
Pakistan,s nuclear deal , will be discussed let's see what lollipops being offered & what our military & civil leadership is ready to accept ?
Whole new dynamics are underway , which can explain this visit of our air chief further in fast coming future !

 

[OTTOMAN]

Bhai saheb.
Which side of the bed did you fall down from today. Read my post again. If you expect me to reveal my private conversations with either of the Shareefs on open fora you will be sadly disappointed. Where, by the way if you put your reading glasses on and read my post again, did I say anything other than that it is my own suspicion. There is no hot or cold wind about it. I have a hunch based on how quickly the rhetoric died down following Nawaz and Raheel Shareefs visit and how Shuja Pasha was thers for quite some time. This is the net where one can present ananalysis based on assumptions. Whether you agree with it or disagree is not my problem. If you have a counter thought present it to be analysed. Otherwise criticism for the sake of criticism does not do anyone any good.
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Mr. You may have had conversation with any Sharif today, but following houthi breakout....lot of us have witnessed baseless propaganda and use of abusive language against the elder Sharif, ME leaders in particular and against Arabs in general.
In those times of confusion, your team (lead by son of Isis) has gone too far with their allegations and suggestions... based on false assumption that Saudi Arabia may not prevail the testing times, and perhaps it will turn in to another Iraq and Afghanistan.

I know, lot of damage control has been done by some patriots, I my self was alarmed at the sudden barrage of allegations and use of demeaning words for Arabs, by administration and bringing out analogies of slave master, rental army etc. etc.

Raheel Shareef and Shuja Pasha does not run Pakistan's foreign policy, its the foreign office! where most of staff is appointed by Zardari for a reason.

While divides and bridges among nations are not made by individuals, its done at public level, and it was never Rahil Sharif or Nawaz Sharif's job... its us who have to reach out to our sincere allies and explain them the background of baseless allegations from solicitors of Houthis and that of senate of Zardari and parliament of Nawaz Sharif.

Of course as you have noticed, I disagree to remarks, conclusions, fatwas, allegations, use of foul language .... over looking obvious and reality on ground. Therefore, I always ask for adding bit of reasoning to the biased prophecies.

I continue to disagree that any damage control attempt has been made by the foreign office or parliament or senate.... neither any mistake has been accepted by Houthi solicitors. Unless we see it.

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As far as i know, new build Blk 60's are up for sale with royalty clause for UAEAF on all sales of this mod. to offset the investment made by them.

Really....... what is the basis of your knowledge? or perhaps you cannot divulge the discussion you had with Obama!

PAKISTAN SHOULD SHOP FOR AN ALL OUT AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER LIKE SU 35S .

Pakistan's defense doctrine does not require it.