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Top PDF trolls and their famous quotes:

@Viva_Viet
"China chaos 2023!"
"Deng lick US-JP azz in 1978 !!1! *picture of Deng*"


@Feng Leng
"Can't wait to drop some nukes on population centers!"
"Proper way to deal with enemies is to kill them and their families"
"They should be beheaded in front of our ambassador!"
"Look forward to American tourist in China returning in bags of corpses"

Those 2 are no where near the troll level to the like of @undertakerwwefan aka @Superboy and @antonius123

These 2 folks are the gems of trolling.
 
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Those 2 are no where near the troll level to the like of @undertakerwwefan aka @Superboy and @antonius123

These 2 folks are the gems of trolling.

lol yeah you can get conversation responses out of viva and feng. undertaker just talks past you and streamrolls a whole bunch of posts of the weirdest stupid crap haha...i dont even try tbh. Antonius, i dont really know much about...but from what I have seen between you and him (and how you still have that patience to deal with him is beyond me lol)....he just repeats ad infinitum till you go away tired of responding lol.

But to me thats not quality trolling....quality trolling needs a proper balance and some creativity. Theirs is just quantity trolling....its different.
 
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lol yeah you can get conversation responses out of viva and feng. undertaker just talks past you and streamrolls a whole bunch of posts of the weirdest stupid crap haha...i dont even try tbh. Antonius, i dont really know much about...but from what I have seen between you and him (and how you still have that patience to deal with him is beyond me lol)....he just repeats ad infinitum till you go away tired of responding lol.

But to me thats not quality trolling....quality trolling needs a proper balance and some creativity. Theirs is just quantity trolling....its different.

I don't mind being trolled or trolling someone, but the sheer trolling volume a lot of member display here are just appalling.

As far as I see, there are 4 type of trolls here

The first one is one liner troll, regardless of what kind of topic you are on, his response is just one line, it may be a different line everytime, but it's always one line, and it have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Folks like the oprih guy.

The second one is the ignore you troll, he said what he said, and he ignore what anyone said, you cannot strike anything useful with the person, because he is so right, he actually does not need to post his idea on here, folks like undertakerwwefan and superboy is in this category.

The third one is broken recorder troll, just because he keep saying it over and over and over and over again, in his mind, if he say that enough of time, it will become the truth. Regardless of what you said, he is going to say the same thing to you, that where folks like Antonius belong.

Then there are high intelligent troll, basically goofing off around and send you some meaningless post once every full moon, otherwise he or she is very capable of holding down a conversation. People like me or Chinese Dragon belong to this category.

LOL
 
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I don't mind being trolled or trolling someone, but the sheer trolling volume a lot of member display here are just appalling.

As far as I see, there are 4 type of trolls here

The first one is one liner troll, regardless of what kind of topic you are on, his response is just one line, it may be a different line everytime, but it's always one line, and it have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Folks like the oprih guy.

The second one is the ignore you troll, he said what he said, and he ignore what anyone said, you cannot strike anything useful with the person, because he is so right, he actually does not need to post his idea on here, folks like undertakerwwefan and superboy is in this category.

The third one is broken recorder troll, just because he keep saying it over and over and over and over again, in his mind, if he say that enough of time, it will become the truth. Regardless of what you said, he is going to say the same thing to you, that where folks like Antonius belong.

Then there are high intelligent troll, basically goofing off around and send you some meaningless post once every full moon, otherwise he or she is very capable of holding down a conversation. People like me or Chinese Dragon belong to this category.

LOL

Haha, well said. I'd like to think I belong to the last category as well. I sort of merged category 2 and category 3 together...and you have delineated since you have actually probably had more convo with them lol.

Category 1...yep spot on lol.

LOL I'm actually breaking out into giggles now reading your post again. Take care my friend and have the best new years that you can manage.

@hellfire you will love this post by jhungary haha.
 
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The world have an obsession toward an underdog. Whenever we see someone or something is in disadvantage, our natural sentiment is to want that to see through the hardship and thrive.

A lot of people once ask me, why there are so much love for the "Freedom Fighter"? The answer is quite simple, we want people to succeed, regardless of what their goal was, I can write a script and twisted it so you would be rooting for the killer and not the victim, it seems crazy but we do. That's human nature.

In Political Science, there are 2 type of citizens. The first one always see the government is correct, either by ignoring the harm they done, or actively participating to the harm lead to all or particular group of citizens. While the other group of citizens always think the government is a bully, out to get them. And they will do whatever to resist the current government or regime or dictatorship.

Why I say that? You may ask, what the hell did all these have to do with Mao and Communism?

Say whatever you want, Mao is a highly intelligent person, all dictator does, they know when and where is the limit, and what they can or cannot do to make their own rules. And that's what Mao plays communism like a fiddle in China.

If one look at Communism struggle in China before and after WW2, we can see a very steep contrast, before WW2, Communism is supported mostly by northern farmer (Back then the capital of China is in the South) and the traction were much and at no time they were able to get into gear on rebelling the then current republic government. Let alone starting a Civil War and win it. At best, we can only say prior to 1937, CPC is raising an insurgency with KMT.

After WW2, everything changes, because of 1 reason and 1 reason only, the Japanese. CPC were a part of minority during the struggle, and Chiang's KMT was in charge, so Mao do what all Dictator does best, blame the government (like how Lenin blame the Tsar for instability during WW1) Mao lay blame for all the death, carnage, destruction toward the KMT and their inability to defeat the Japanese, lading to such a country. If I were a normal Chinese Citizens, under KMT rules, I would believe what Mao said. Yes, KMT is in charge, and now my folks are dead because of the Japs, that's KMT fault. People don't generally think of things in a complicated manner, the blame to the outcome of the war is as much CPC fault, as much as KMT.

That's where the traction come from, and once you gain the traction you need, you then need an enemy. Traditional Wisdom suggested a close one, we need to fight KMT so this does not happens again. And then you have people joining the rank, after they saw the carnage in War, and that's how Mao rally people and fight KMT.

But if Red Dawn (the movie, the old one not the new one) did teach us anything, that is a partisan could never be used to fight for the authority. Because that's what partisan is, they FIGHT AGAINST AUTHORITY, they fight against government establishment. So now, the time is 1950, CPC gained leadership in Mainland China. Where are all the communist goes? Where are all the partisan goes? If Mao keep them, they would one day turn against Mao when these people have a second Mao coming and poke holes at the current regime. Mao don't want that, and Mao, again do what he does best, that is to find someone or something to fight against , this time, it is the American. In a place called Korea. The fight serves 2 purposes, first, it give the partisan something to fight about, a clause to fight, even tho North Korea and China have no common ground and the war was started by the North Korean. The second purpose is to basically send people who had voice concern for Mao regime to certain death, thus "Cleaning the house" see it as a "Purge" if you will, but that is what Mao effectively does.

So what next? 4 Years in Korea, fought against the US and the UN, and loses multiple of millions of men, but that's okay, because they are deemed anti-party anyway. But after the war, Mao would need his men to focus on something, but not the flaw shown in his regime (Which has a lot) what does he do? Yes, the great leap forward, basically a rally call for people who need to work for the central government, put their people into work, and drawing people from all the farmland (where it is the birth place of Chinese communism) into steel worker. Why? Coming from Mao himself, people who are full in the stomach would think of stupid thing, but people who are hungry, would put their priority into staying alive first. With no one left to farm, where are the food come from? There are none. And people goes hungry, thus establishing another underdog situation. "Hey. if we live thru this, and bring China over the Steel production of UK or US or whatever, that is a story that we are not slowing down by this famine" Little does these people know, this famine. Are directly man-made, caused by, you guess it, Mao, himself.

So what next? People who survived that, live into 1960s, that is before American involvement in Vietnam, and in the early 1960s, there aren't anyone big enough to fight, if you think that, you are dead wrong. Because you have forgotten about the Chinese Northern Neighbour, and probably 1 of the biggest power on earth at that time, Soviet Union.

While the spat between China and Soviet is nothing new, then come Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, nothing mush at first but Khrushchev denouncing Stalinism irk Mao, and the relationship between the 2 goes sour, Khrushchev withdraw support to China, and Mao, again, does what he do best, blame Khrushchev for the disaster outcome of Great Leap Forward, hey don't blame me your neighbour died, blame Khrushchev as he pull all the scientist and advisor from us. He is the one you need to blame, not me. As before, people bought it. Even tho Khrushchev have nothing to do with GLF, he wasn't even in charge of Soviet Union when Mao announce his15 years GLF plan. Chinese hate Russian, Russian hate Chinese, that's enough for that decade.

However, 1 undesirable effect coming off from Sino-Soviet Split is basically drawing China closer than US, communism ideological enemy. And when China goes so far to abandon support of North Vietnam in favour of having a normal relationship with the US, that create a problem, Mao have running out of people to blame, and when China eventually normalise relationship with Soviet Union in 1966 as well, the list is now Empty. So to survive, who are Mao gonna blame this time? The answer is easy, blame their own people, if you have something wrong, then it must be your problem, not communism, and thus we need to re-educate you in a camp, or disappear you altogether. That's when Mao started his so-called "Cultural Revolution" And the rest is history.

This may have been a story of a dictator who try desperately stay in power, or just a timeline of CPC rise in China, different people will see it differently. As I said many times before, you need to read your own label.

Read your note in the original, as @Nilgiri recommended, and, yes, I agree with him, this is an excellent summary in a few paragraphs of early PRC history and of the period before that, although obviously painted with a very, very broad brush. A disclaimer: when we were young, Mao was, to many of my contemporaries, 'Asia'r mukti sujjo', the Sun of Liberation of Asia, and served as inspiration for a whole generation of violent activists, who killed several hundred policemen and brought a state to its knees before they were quelled. I wasn't able to distance myself much, and have been in front of a People's Court of the Revolutionary Unit in our college, as well as in a police lock-up, for exactly opposite readings of my political affiliations. So Mao was not a remote figure to me, to us; he was present with us on a day-to-day basis, the Little Red Book was freely available, though nobody really read it, IMHO.

He was all that you said, but much more besides. There are aspects that you haven't touched upon. For instance, a senior apparatchik of the CPI, the Communist Party of India, managed to get to Moscow, and managed to meet Stalin. To his consternation, Stalin advised him to work within Indian democracy, and he came back with this doleful message. However, in 1962, Mao launched a very carefully planned slap-down of this same democracy, and that led to a split in the CPI: they became a pro-Soviet faction that remained the CPI (almost vanished today), and a more or less pro-Chinese faction, in the teeth of the popular rage against the Chinese betrayal, that called itself the CPI(M), the M standing for Marxist, that in the end followed Stalin's life, and buggered up Bengal's economy and political life in 35 years of uninterrupted rule. The towering figure in this CPI(M) had a son who was as corrupt as they came, and was widely renowned for profiting by his proximity to decision-making circles; his father did nothing to discourage him. The grand-daughters live in London, as all good sons and daughters, and grandsons and grand-daughters of militants seem to tend to do (Tariq Ali doesn't live in Lahore much), and one of them writes a very readable food blog (no, the title isn't the Lal Mirchi Banner).

Mao came onto us in the third wave, when a nondescript very junior ideologue in the CPI(M) suggested that a union of the peasantry against the state forces of oppression could actually bring about a revolution. The Maoist uprisings followed; it is impossible in the pages of a Pakistani defence journal to narrate how the movement itself rose and fell, and re-appeared in the countryside (after deviating from the Great Ideologue's original party line and coming to the city to fight) and was crushed again, and how it split into literally dozens of factions each with its own sub-factions. Today, the People's War Group is the one running the struggle in Bastar, and in areas of Odisha and Maharashtra, and more or less has successfully appropriated the name of CPI(ML) to itself.

On the other hand, Mao's last military campaign, the border fighting in 1962, indelibly scarred the Indian armed forces; all its victories over Pakistan, half-done and fully done alike, don't help, the memories of 62 still govern much of Indian military thinking.

Mao was important, and he is alive, very much alive, in India, but as far as the world is concerned, today's China owes little to him other than the principle of relentlessly seeking to recover each and every square inch of territory that was grabbed during China's years of humiliation, and the guidance of China to survive in a very harsh international climate. Today's China is Deng's China, the same Deng who was confined to his home, a brutally mocked and viciously attacked figure denigrated as the worst treacherous cur that could have sullied the ranks of the CPC. But China, like Deng, had to survive Mao to get here. So if we have to assess his place in history, he is what that other merciless dictator was for Russia, he is China's Stalin. For better or for worse.
 
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In 1967 he lost :D
you are comparing a war to a skirmish you Indians are really shamless

I don't mind being trolled or trolling someone, but the sheer trolling volume a lot of member display here are just appalling.

As far as I see, there are 4 type of trolls here

The first one is one liner troll, regardless of what kind of topic you are on, his response is just one line, it may be a different line everytime, but it's always one line, and it have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Folks like the oprih guy.

The second one is the ignore you troll, he said what he said, and he ignore what anyone said, you cannot strike anything useful with the person, because he is so right, he actually does not need to post his idea on here, folks like undertakerwwefan and superboy is in this category.

The third one is broken recorder troll, just because he keep saying it over and over and over and over again, in his mind, if he say that enough of time, it will become the truth. Regardless of what you said, he is going to say the same thing to you, that where folks like Antonius belong.

Then there are high intelligent troll, basically goofing off around and send you some meaningless post once every full moon, otherwise he or she is very capable of holding down a conversation. People like me or Chinese Dragon belong to this category.

LOL
LMAO you are intelligent troll my foot, take it from me you are just an average poster nothing more nothing less
 
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LMAO you are intelligent troll my foot, take it from me you are just an average poster nothing more nothing less

And you are someone who's opinion can be trusted? In other word, WHO THE F ARE YOU?

LOL
 
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lol I have an interesting perspective even when I troll :)

But seriously, I used to write a lot of these kind post, but this forum did worn me down a lot and now I don't want to write anything remotely interesting. Not sure will I ever be going back to the same level of contribution as before, that's depends on the forum direction, but sadly, I will have to say, it's gone worse since and I never even saw it go back up 1 bit.

Either way, according to some group of people here, I am just another troll, so...… I don't know man.

I agree with your assessment of the sad deterioration of this forum, but it is according to the direction set by the management. I am happy to respect that right as I, just like you, have reduced the level of engagement here as an adaptive response.

Posting on topic, one must be careful since China is a preferred topic only when it is to be portrayed in a positive light. That is why Chinese trolls have such a free hand and CPEC is above criticism. Chinese revisionism as applied to Chairman Mao or anyone else is likely in the same category.
 
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I agree with your assessment of the sad deterioration of this forum, but it is according to the direction set by the management. I am happy to respect that right as I, just like you, have reduced the level of engagement here as an adaptive respond.

Posting on topic, one must be careful since China is a preferred topic only when it is to be portrayed in a positive light. That is why Chinese trolls have such a free hand and CPEC is above criticism. Chinese revisionism as applied to Chairman Mao or anyone else is likely in the same category.

Shame on you!
 
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Read your note in the original, as @Nilgiri recommended, and, yes, I agree with him, this is an excellent summary in a few paragraphs of early PRC history and of the period before that, although obviously painted with a very, very broad brush. A disclaimer: when we were young, Mao was, to many of my contemporaries, 'Asia'r mukti sujjo', the Sun of Liberation of Asia, and served as inspiration for a whole generation of violent activists, who killed several hundred policemen and brought a state to its knees before they were quelled. I wasn't able to distance myself much, and have been in front of a People's Court of the Revolutionary Unit in our college, as well as in a police lock-up, for exactly opposite readings of my political affiliations. So Mao was not a remote figure to me, to us; he was present with us on a day-to-day basis, the Little Red Book was freely available, though nobody really read it, IMHO.

He was all that you said, but much more besides. There are aspects that you haven't touched upon. For instance, a senior apparatchik of the CPI, the Communist Party of India, managed to get to Moscow, and managed to meet Stalin. To his consternation, Stalin advised him to work within Indian democracy, and he came back with this doleful message. However, in 1962, Mao launched a very carefully planned slap-down of this same democracy, and that led to a split in the CPI: they became a pro-Soviet faction that remained the CPI (almost vanished today), and a more or less pro-Chinese faction, in the teeth of the popular rage against the Chinese betrayal, that called itself the CPI(M), the M standing for Marxist, that in the end followed Stalin's life, and buggered up Bengal's economy and political life in 35 years of uninterrupted rule. The towering figure in this CPI(M) had a son who was as corrupt as they came, and was widely renowned for profiting by his proximity to decision-making circles; his father did nothing to discourage him. The grand-daughters live in London, as all good sons and daughters, and grandsons and grand-daughters of militants seem to tend to do (Tariq Ali doesn't live in Lahore much), and one of them writes a very readable food blog (no, the title isn't the Lal Mirchi Banner).

Mao came onto us in the third wave, when a nondescript very junior ideologue in the CPI(M) suggested that a union of the peasantry against the state forces of oppression could actually bring about a revolution. The Maoist uprisings followed; it is impossible in the pages of a Pakistani defence journal to narrate how the movement itself rose and fell, and re-appeared in the countryside (after deviating from the Great Ideologue's original party line and coming to the city to fight) and was crushed again, and how it split into literally dozens of factions each with its own sub-factions. Today, the People's War Group is the one running the struggle in Bastar, and in areas of Odisha and Maharashtra, and more or less has successfully appropriated the name of CPI(ML) to itself.

On the other hand, Mao's last military campaign, the border fighting in 1962, indelibly scarred the Indian armed forces; all its victories over Pakistan, half-done and fully done alike, don't help, the memories of 62 still govern much of Indian military thinking.

Mao was important, and he is alive, very much alive, in India, but as far as the world is concerned, today's China owes little to him other than the principle of relentlessly seeking to recover each and every square inch of territory that was grabbed during China's years of humiliation, and the guidance of China to survive in a very harsh international climate. Today's China is Deng's China, the same Deng who was confined to his home, a brutally mocked and viciously attacked figure denigrated as the worst treacherous cur that could have sullied the ranks of the CPC. But China, like Deng, had to survive Mao to get here. So if we have to assess his place in history, he is what that other merciless dictator was for Russia, he is China's Stalin. For better or for worse.

You may be in your 60s or 70s to fabricate a story of CPI. Stalin died in 1954, even before Nehru's indi-chini bah-bah. The world fanatic to Mao started in the late 1950's and reached its high in 1960's when Mao was generous to give out money to every poor country and when he ignited cultural revolution! Don't blame Mao for your own stupidity to follow his spirits at home! Mao was, is and will be the founding father of modern China. Deng did his part in China's history but he's almost forgoten. China today is still Mao's China.
 
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I ignore him in general discourse (I think). No clue as to why! I think I had a run in long back? :unsure:

Interesting....didnt know that lol.

Read your note in the original, as @Nilgiri recommended, and, yes, I agree with him, this is an excellent summary in a few paragraphs of early PRC history and of the period before that, although obviously painted with a very, very broad brush. A disclaimer: when we were young, Mao was, to many of my contemporaries, 'Asia'r mukti sujjo', the Sun of Liberation of Asia, and served as inspiration for a whole generation of violent activists, who killed several hundred policemen and brought a state to its knees before they were quelled. I wasn't able to distance myself much, and have been in front of a People's Court of the Revolutionary Unit in our college, as well as in a police lock-up, for exactly opposite readings of my political affiliations. So Mao was not a remote figure to me, to us; he was present with us on a day-to-day basis, the Little Red Book was freely available, though nobody really read it, IMHO.

He was all that you said, but much more besides. There are aspects that you haven't touched upon. For instance, a senior apparatchik of the CPI, the Communist Party of India, managed to get to Moscow, and managed to meet Stalin. To his consternation, Stalin advised him to work within Indian democracy, and he came back with this doleful message. However, in 1962, Mao launched a very carefully planned slap-down of this same democracy, and that led to a split in the CPI: they became a pro-Soviet faction that remained the CPI (almost vanished today), and a more or less pro-Chinese faction, in the teeth of the popular rage against the Chinese betrayal, that called itself the CPI(M), the M standing for Marxist, that in the end followed Stalin's life, and buggered up Bengal's economy and political life in 35 years of uninterrupted rule. The towering figure in this CPI(M) had a son who was as corrupt as they came, and was widely renowned for profiting by his proximity to decision-making circles; his father did nothing to discourage him. The grand-daughters live in London, as all good sons and daughters, and grandsons and grand-daughters of militants seem to tend to do (Tariq Ali doesn't live in Lahore much), and one of them writes a very readable food blog (no, the title isn't the Lal Mirchi Banner).

Mao came onto us in the third wave, when a nondescript very junior ideologue in the CPI(M) suggested that a union of the peasantry against the state forces of oppression could actually bring about a revolution. The Maoist uprisings followed; it is impossible in the pages of a Pakistani defence journal to narrate how the movement itself rose and fell, and re-appeared in the countryside (after deviating from the Great Ideologue's original party line and coming to the city to fight) and was crushed again, and how it split into literally dozens of factions each with its own sub-factions. Today, the People's War Group is the one running the struggle in Bastar, and in areas of Odisha and Maharashtra, and more or less has successfully appropriated the name of CPI(ML) to itself.

On the other hand, Mao's last military campaign, the border fighting in 1962, indelibly scarred the Indian armed forces; all its victories over Pakistan, half-done and fully done alike, don't help, the memories of 62 still govern much of Indian military thinking.

Mao was important, and he is alive, very much alive, in India, but as far as the world is concerned, today's China owes little to him other than the principle of relentlessly seeking to recover each and every square inch of territory that was grabbed during China's years of humiliation, and the guidance of China to survive in a very harsh international climate. Today's China is Deng's China, the same Deng who was confined to his home, a brutally mocked and viciously attacked figure denigrated as the worst treacherous cur that could have sullied the ranks of the CPC. But China, like Deng, had to survive Mao to get here. So if we have to assess his place in history, he is what that other merciless dictator was for Russia, he is China's Stalin. For better or for worse.

Thanks, a good read. I myself am somewhat well versed in the CPI split story. I remember when i was a young lad (just starting to get into politics etc) watching the news (I think BBC) in the early 2000s....they brought on a red spokeswoman from India to give her take on a few issues concerning Indian politics....and they introduced her as being from the CPI...and she was quick to correct them that it was the CPI-M (stressing the M heh)...and did so again when they again called it the CPI later.

It made me ask my dad about it later...and he grumbled (being an avowed commie-hater and liking nothing better than to avoid the subject altogether where possible) but eventually told me to remember to ask my athimber (who is well versed in Kerala politics particularly) for all the details regarding that....which I eventually did!

@Levina @nair @anant_s @jbgt90
 
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Let put it this way smart intelligent people don't running around saying I m smart I m clever do they LMAO ,

Let's put it this way, before you made the previous comment, you should learn the definition of the word "Oxymoron", which is what "Intelligent Troll" was.

Perhaps English is not one of your forte?
 
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