Option's for PAF ?

[kaku1]

Oh every time and everything India purchases is a game changer until the reality bites and you get a rude awakening.

Like JF-17 was game changer, and India's SU fleet start to afraid from it?

Posts on this thread by indian posters seems like cricket series Ad between India and Pakistan "Aane do".

Waiting for the bubble to go bust.

 

[Cry.me.a.River]

What people don't realise is that it will be years before the Rafales are inducted in numbers and become operational.
Who knows by then, what else would be out there.

Yes key board warriors think that Rafael will be coming from showroom and will be easy to drive like maruti car, it will take at least a decade to Master this machine fully .

And Would "whatever you would be buying to counter Rafael" come from showroom?

 

[Sine Nomine]

And Would "whatever you would be buying to counter Rafael" come from showroom?

No,but if you are not a troll then listen and think....
1)if we go for F-16 then it's just like coming from showroom because we know all in and out of that aircraft,we have a large dedicated overhaul facility for that jet.
2)if we go for j-10c it will be a difficult option because we have to train pilots,crew and necessary facilities for induction but still it will take less time as compared to Rafael because it's in full production,production line is running 24/7 and currently CAC is only producing for PLAAF,while Rafael is being produced for French Air force and Egyptian Air force and then Indian production rate is not high today.

 

[Shabi1]

Excercise the additional 18 pre approved F-16 Block-52s that we didnt get because of the financial constraints from the 2010 Earthquake. Thats enough for the current Indian deal for 36 Rafaels. Look for more second hand F-16 MLUs if possible.

Wait for the J-31. No need to induct J-10s since war with India is unlikely for a good couple of years.

 

[Srinivas]

By the time India will be having 'made in India Rafales' most of the countries including Pakistan and India too will be giving orders for 5th generation procurement. So having such planes in huge numbers will be waste of money for Indians especially when they have Su30s in formidable quantity. India seriously would had been better of to have these planes for the period of 2010-2020.

Pakistan on the other hand should keep their concentration on updating their JF17s and for the attack jets try to deal with US for block 52/60 F-16s . Anything around 4 new squads of adv. F16s will keep Indians at bay. They very well know this fact despite in numbers.

Fifth generation fighter planes are costly and need lot of maintenance these days.

4.5 generation fighters will be procured in large numbers along with 3 ot 4 squadrons of 5th gen fighters.

 

[Matrixx]

That's why mighty Su-30mki pulled off after seeing F-16's in 2008.

Looks like F16 is solution of all the problem....then why worry for "options"

 

[NKVD]

That's why mighty Su-30mki pulled off after seeing F-16's in 2008.

same way your Mighty F-16 was chased to there den after getting Locked by Mig-29 in 1999 Kargil

What people don't realise is that it will be years before the Rafales are inducted in numbers and become operational.
Who knows by then, what else would be out there.

4 gen fighters are bound to be main stream Fighter for Air warfare for Next two decades.5 gen fighter are still not in full operationally Available Mode to Many developing countries due it higher Maintenance Cost and technical Snag

 

[UgandaToRawanda]

Top Sources Confirm : India has to buy at-least 3 Squadrons of f-35 For EMALS TOT FOR THE NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIER.

 

[!eon]

Your immediate need is long rang SAMs. Though some have been unofficially reported but they aren't any solution, just helpful for the time being.
By not acquiring long rang SAMs in their normal air defense, Pakistan is repeating same mistake of Saddam's Iraq and Qaddafi's Libya.

To counter Rafale, you should put money in your JF 17 and you got resources for that. Rafale program will take at least 2 years. Purchasing large quantity of foreigner 4th generation fighters at this time, that 5th generation is about to enter in 3rd world is only feasible if you got some extra coins.

For 5th generation, Pakistan should enhance cooperation with China. It's already too much late if they haven't done so far.

 

[Sine Nomine]

same way your Mighty F-16 was chased to there den after getting Locked by Mig-29 in 1999 Kargil

told by IAF confirmed by none...lol

 

[Windjammer]

same way your Mighty F-16 was chased to there den after getting Locked by Mig-29 in 1999 Kargil

Two different scenarios, Fulcrums locked on F-16 from within own border where as the Indian jets were intercepted by PAF and there were occasions when Falcons trailed Fulcrums during Kargil crisis, anyways that's off topic.

4 gen fighters are bound to be main stream Fighter for Air warfare for Next two decades.5 gen fighter are still not in full operationally Available Mode to Many developing countries due it higher Maintenance Cost and technical Snag

Agreed.

 

[Tipu7]

Only option we have is J10b. and we will have them after Rafales began to fly with IAF logo. No other option we have right now

 

[NKVD]

told by IAF confirmed by none...lol

yeah Like yours News are much authentic and god word

While a number of IAF aircraft took part in the Kargil campaign, it was the cover provided by the MiG-29 Fulcrum armed with beyond visual range (BVR) missiles that exposed the PAF’s plight. “Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan Army, angering the latter,” says the report.

“While PAF fighters did fly Combat Air Patrols (CAP) during the conflict, they stayed well within Pakistani air space. On occasions, IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR air-to-air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.”

The situation changed little during the 2002 border crisis between India and Pakistan. Strategy Page adds: “One Pakistani military expert observed that the PAF’s perceived inability to defend Pakistan’s airspace and even put up a token fight against the IAF was the biggest driver for Pakistani leaders’ warnings that any Indian attack would lead to an immediate nuclear strike by Pakistan. It would be no exaggeration to say that after the Kargil and 2002 experiences, PAF’s psyche took a big beating.”

MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons | Russia & India Report

 

[Storm Force]

Love the Pakistan comments lets induct the j31,...


Like the plane exists .

Not for another decade people.


And then at what cost and capability.

Or are you inducting off the drawing board abd based on one prototype without real radars sensors ew suites weapons and the proper engines.
It may neva achieve foc.

You could not strike a deal for the much cheaper j10 how you going to buy a fifth gen fighter

 

[Sine Nomine]

yeah Like yours News are much authentic and god word

While a number of IAF aircraft took part in the Kargil campaign, it was the cover provided by the MiG-29 Fulcrum armed with beyond visual range (BVR) missiles that exposed the PAF’s plight. “Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan Army, angering the latter,” says the report.

“While PAF fighters did fly Combat Air Patrols (CAP) during the conflict, they stayed well within Pakistani air space. On occasions, IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR air-to-air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.”

The situation changed little during the 2002 border crisis between India and Pakistan. Strategy Page adds: “One Pakistani military expert observed that the PAF’s perceived inability to defend Pakistan’s airspace and even put up a token fight against the IAF was the biggest driver for Pakistani leaders’ warnings that any Indian attack would lead to an immediate nuclear strike by Pakistan. It would be no exaggeration to say that after the Kargil and 2002 experiences, PAF’s psyche took a big beating.”

MiGs over Kargil: How the Fulcrum buzzed the Falcons | Russia & India Report

Well i have respect for Migs but falcons have always kicked Mig and Yes PAF psyche took big beating that's why in 2008 when Su-30mki dared to intrude no PAF jet was scrambled and for Kargil part i think after having spent 2 years you must be able to think there is a thing known as "strike and defense planning(which is updated according to situation) PAF was not part of Kargil nor it was actively made.

You could not strike a deal for the much cheaper j10 how you going to buy a fifth gen fighter

Deal was not done becasue of Engine issue.