Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[majesticpankaj]

Let us see what would be induction date of the first squadron of Rafa's in IAF? We than figure out the their effective integration into IAF as an effective tactical tool for the airforce.

I suspect that by the time Rafa's are inducted, we would start getting our FC-20's with PAF test pilots, engineers, etc in China long before that. Therefore, I do not see much of huh hah on the Rafa. It is a good plane no doubt aobout that. I for one thought the EFT was a better a/c. But than I am not the one dishing out dollars.

What evenues are open now after the selection of the French a/c for Pakistan? There would be some warming up to Paksitan by Russia or vice versa. The EFT/Grippen also becomes a choice even more. But than the economy becomes an issue.

India will keep pressure on Russia to not to entertain Pakistan (They will have close to 70% Russian a/c in their inventory). They will also keep on dangling, Transport, MPA's, & Helos and associated weapons and systems infront of US compaines. Hence some leverage on the order book.

If we had better relations and money, it would have been interesting times viz a viz US buy options. US companies must be smarting under the French choice....

Induction rate will be very slow... in 2015 we will get 18 jets from france and from 2017-18 HAL will start production with initial rate of 6 ac/year

 

[Tridibans]

Just read the thread for a few pages. Gosh! There are more deleted posts than actual ones

 

[Tridibans]

Induction rate will be very slow... in 2015 we will get 18 jets from france and from 2017-18 HAL will start production with initial rate of 6 ac/year

I thought the contract will have a clause for delivery of 18 jets in a flyaway condition within 36 months. So even if it is signed in March, that means 18 jets by 2014. I think by 2015-16 Indian made Rafales will start rolling out from HAL

 

[Secur]

I thought the contract will have a clause for delivery of 18 jets in a flyaway condition within 36 months. So even if it is signed in March, that means 18 jets by 2014. I think by 2015-16 Indian made Rafales will start rolling out from HAL

About the time 2 squadrons of J10B will be operational ! I mean the French cant deliver the aircraft tomorrow as most here are believing or deluding themselves to ...

 

[majesticpankaj]

I thought the contract will have a clause for delivery of 18 jets in a flyaway condition within 36 months. So even if it is signed in March, that means 18 jets by 2014. I think by 2015-16 Indian made Rafales will start rolling out from HAL

yesterday there was a report from TOI which says that...

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About the time 2 squadrons of J10B will be operational ! I mean the French cant deliver the aircraft tomorrow as most here are believing or deluding themselves to ...

let first get them operational in Chinese airforce ..then we can talk about PAF ..

 

[Yaduveer]

self delete

 

[Secur]

let first get them operational in Chinese airforce ..then we can talk about PAF ..

The deal has already been signed somewhere in 2007 and i am sure you are well aware of the Chinese speed ... ZDK-03 is a perfect example !

 

[SQ8]

yesterday there was a report from TOI which says that...

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let first get them operational in Chinese airforce ..then we can talk about PAF ..

Slow rate production has resulted in a regiment being sanctioned for them..
The Chinese may not induct the J-10B in any meaningful numbers as their next induction is geared towards a generation jump.
The FC-20 of the PAF however is not on a concrete timetable as it depends on the variable of funds.
Only the JF-17's and F-16's are certain.

 

[majesticpankaj]

The deal has already been signed somewhere in 2007 and i am sure you are well aware of the Chinese speed ... ZDK-03 is a perfect example !

China can really make very fast but don't forget about the compatibility of subsystems. Even a desktop computer needs to put for a numbers of days to check the compatibility of it's subsystem.

 

[Donatello]

so you believe that PAF's response to eurofighter would have been different from what it will be to Rafale, considering the 2 planes are not that different in capability.. ?

Maybe PAF can tune the config on the J-10s that way.

We know that an AESA is a possibility......given the time frame for MMRCA to actually materialize and IAF gets the first fully operational squadron, it's at least 2 years away...that's a lot of time considering how fast the CAC/AVIC work on the projects. So lets wait and see and hopefully PAF will have some decent cards to play with.

 

[Whazzup]

Sorry to say, i dont read internet reports. These are from JDW and costs me around 1000 USD annually....If you can find this on internet, please help me save this money

Actually I just came up with this did'nt knew that you read it in JDW btw you really that innocent to beleive such reports ???? I mean US don't even share F22 with its closest allies why would it share its weakness against F15???

 

[majesticpankaj]

Rafale will get fully operational after 2020 only because it takes a lot of training to understand the complexity of the system. The real threat for PAF is SU30 mki and upgraded mig and mirage..

 

[Donatello]

Jet-Table by vcheng552000, on Flickr

Considering the case for F-16:

Empty weight is 18,900lbs
Loaded Weight is 26,500lbs
Max take off weight is 42,300 lbs


Now i understand that Empty weight to Loaded weight is due to the load of the aircraft.....that includes the pilot, fuel and weapons. However, why is the Max take-off weight indicating with such a large number?

 

[VCheng]

Considering the case for F-16:

Empty weight is 18,900lbs
Loaded Weight is 26,500lbs
Max take off weight is 42,300 lbs


Now i understand that Empty weight to Loaded weight is due to the load of the aircraft.....that includes the pilot, fuel and weapons. However, why is the Max take-off weight indicating with such a large number?

Because it is designed for that capability is the simple answer, but there are many variable that go into that that are not the topic in this thread. We can discuss it elsewhere if you'd like.

 

[ANG]

Hi, I have a better option for the PAF and Pakistan. How about do not pick a fight with India? Even better, Pakistan should concentrate on fixing chronic gas shortages, electricity shortages, water shortages, and crack down on corruption. Fix their economy, and have huge disposable reserves to then be able to spend on goodies like the Rafale.

It all comes down to money. If Pakistan was more stable, and had money, western suppliers would be kicking down their doors to sell them weapons.