Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[deckingraj]

Off-topic but a valid query

S-300PMU has range of 195km.Can't they be placed at border and used as AWAC killers.

It has been stated many times in various threads that MKI's are mini awacs...however my point is if a JF17 can see an incoming MKI via an Eyrie then MKI's better radar edge is lost, no???

 

[rockstarIN]

In the 2002 Standoff with India they rushed the delivery of parts for F-7 PGs and even supplied many of them. Suddenly 250 more F-7PGs in our inventory played a major role in India backing off of a fight back then.

Any proof, all rumors...!!

Will you believe if I say France secretly gave us 100 M2ks in 2002?

F-7 PGs were not a competitor for Indian Jets in 2002.

 

[prabhakar]

In the 2002 Standoff with India they rushed the delivery of parts for F-7 PGs and even supplied many of them. Suddenly 250 more F-7PGs in our inventory played a major role in India backing off of a fight back then.

Kindly help me by providing a source... Thanks

 

[deckingraj]

No one is saying that, my point was in the reference of false myth being created.

Didn't you say that they have alredy lost the parity battle??? If you say that refale is not going to being in any change in the equation then is it wrong on my behalf to assume you are saying that???

Do u see a war today or tomorrow? 2014 is just next year and there is nothing for PAF.

On the same token do you see a war in 2014??? War may happen today or war may not happen even for decades...Its better to talk about reality and then compare the future plans...I am not saying dedicated spy sattelites will not make it easy for us but all i am pointing to you is that they have an option in CHina...

china is a hypothetical question, china could have helped pakistan into a developed country is it doing it??

Now this is really heights....China has helped them in the past and there is little doubt they will not in the future...b/w how can you build someone else economy???

U never know.

You are right...One can never know...But logically speaking a long war b/w nuclear powers is a myth...

Its a fact even if time will tell then wait for it why are u jumping into it. And why for India question, answer is simple they don't want a nuke war.

Who told you there are kill switches to start with??? And just for the sake if there is one how will US prevent a nuke war by simply breaking the backbone of PAF??? This argument is absurd...By breaking the backbone of PAF they will bring in nuke war closer then what it would have been otherwise, no????

Really?? why am i wasting my time debating with you?? U need to brush up ur facts apart from GPS we have Russian GLONASS for military use.

The Hindu : News / National : India strikes deal with Russia on Glonass

Now, u understand why i singled out PAF???

Also, soon India will have its own IRNSS too.

Well you can chose not to debate...i can't do anything about it...Read my comment again..Did i say we don't have other options??? All i am saying is that we also depend upon GPS...b/w why are you negating China here????

Who is under estimating?? Never ever underestimate ur enemy is the mantra.

Here i agree with you..but when you say things like PAF has already been taken care of and a potent fighter like Rafale will not bring in change to the equation then i tend to feel the opposite of what you are quoting...

 

[Rank]

I **** something... that PAF hold some money and waiting for the MMRCA decision ... you will see something different from Pakistan side with in few months

 

[Secur]

so J20 is oparational??????????????

Did i mention anything of that sort ? ... Why dont people just try to understand the context the post was posted in ?

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

I **** something... that PAF hold some money and waiting for the MMRCA decision ... you will see something different from Pakistan side with in few months

so you believe that PAF's response to eurofighter would have been different from what it will be to Rafale, considering the 2 planes are not that different in capability.. ?

 

[Avatar]

PAF should evaluate Gripen. I feel it is the most capable fighter for the price and suits PAF's doctrine well. It will also fit the defense budget and SAAB is willing to offer flexible payment options.

 

[graphican]

If India wanted to build capable fighter jets domestically we could do it easily....

I think India has tried all it could and then went for MMRCA when it knew its own capacity cannot fulfil its defence requirements. Its not secret how India's own fighter jet project is going. But if you want to insist that India could do it and have choozen rather not to do, you are standing on a lame ground.

The scenario which Pakistan would face from 2015 onwards is not a surprising one and PAF is already aware of the challenge which India could pose then. Its illogical to consider that PAF would have started thinking about countering India on the eve of 29 after India made its decision. If India had gone for EF, PAF might had to work extra hour but with Rafale, we have relatively lesser challenge to face.

 

[Awesome]

Any proof, all rumors...!!

Will you believe if I say France secretly gave us 100 M2ks in 2002?

F-7 PGs were not a competitor for Indian Jets in 2002.

Kindly help me by providing a source... Thanks

Dudes, I don't really need to lie about these things. I am on a network with limited internet right now, I'd pave way for some other smarter folks here to do the honors of providing you guys with a source for some very common knowledge.

edit: See the following post:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...ndia-selects-rafale-mmrca-30.html#post2550341

 

[farhan_9909]

Truly believe Pakistan should increase its defence budget to around 6-7% of GDP

we are nt at war..and even if war happened it will be limited.and we will nt use all our resources aka fighters.

at present we are having a balance program of fighters by 2015
50 JF-17
100 JF-17 II
80 F-16 with 18 more on option
and 50-60 J-10B

Now this is a balance AF.When J-10B will have a AESA,IRST,Ws-10G,and advance avionics of J-20

we need to make our economy stable to achieve 7-8% growth and hence defence budget will auto increase with the increase in the GDP annually

 

[farhan_9909]

PAF should evaluate Gripen. I feel it is the most capable fighter for the price and suits PAF's doctrine well. It will also fit the defense budget and SAAB is willing to offer flexible payment options.

damn both JFT and Gripen are light weight fighter

even at the current state JFT is equal to Gripen A/B

 

[Windjammer]

Induction ceremony of F-7PG into PAF service, which were delivered in middle of crisis with India in 2002.

 

[Awesome]

Recently TTP captured and beheaded 15 Pak Army soldiers and even released a video showing this heinous act. Did anyone even care about it? On the other hand 24 Pak soldiers were killed at Salala by the US and the whole nation is up in arms.

I would disagree, this is American point of view. IMO we wage war against those Taliban people... Them killing us, us killing them is a normal, expected (although unfortunate - them killing us) process.

Here we have the top 3 leaders (Kayani, Zardari and Gillani) totally subservient to the US, we praise them, we adore them, we take money from them, we send more of our people to die so that they may live. There is sense in being in uproar more over that incident Niaz sahab, this simplification did not do the incident justice.

 

[Windjammer]

Since the MMRCA party is in full swing, it's worth noting that the PAF already incorporates the JHMCS for it's Block-52s and in due course all PAF F-16s will have this capability.