Opposition to Islamic Caliphate thread

[DrawingDead]

Doesn't matter what opportunities there are genius. You don't get yourself there you won't get anywhere. Every society has jobs. Not sure what's so advantegous of US having them too.

Then you should go live in those societies instead of here. You might be happier there. I'm sure I'll be a lot happier knowing you're not here.

 

[KingMamba]

Either way it is better alternative.

In your opinion sure but others can argue otherwise. For example Palestine is such a small state in comparison to other regional middle eastern states that many of its problems would arguably be pushed to the back burner in a united middle eastern state.

 

[KingMamba]

That is because it is discriminatory by definition as well as in practice.

BS the caliphate during its time was more cultured then many of the European contemporary governments. Your Tsar for example treated Muslims like dirt and Lenin actually provided more freedom for Russian Muslims during the Bolshevik Revolution then they had for years if not centuries under the Tsar. Meanwhile under the Ottomans Christians and Jews had largely self rule under the Millet system. Meanwhile the rest of Europe was having intersect warfare and had not a single Muslim in their countries.

If you bring up Daesh know that Muslims do not consider them a caliphate and if we did there would be nothing to stop them from taking over the whole Muslim world.

 

[TankMan]

minorities live like second class citizens under caliphate rule

They don't. ISIS is not an Islamic Caliphate.
Some good reading here, if you're interested.
Treatment of Minorities: The Islamic Model by Syed Mumtaz Ali
I have minor disagreements with some of the suggestions that article makes but it explains the basic principles perfectly, with references from religious texts.
Another similar article:
Islam Protects Minorities and Safeguards the Rights of Foreigners

You live in the UK so if the majority of the people wanted to get rid of Islam and outlaw mosques and burkas, impose, tax on Muslims, ect. That would not be discrimination?

Islamic Caliphate does none of that. It does not outlaw Churches or Synagoues and neither does it impose any unfair tax on Non-Muslims.
If you're talking about Jizya, it's a replacement for Zakat that all Muslims pay but non-Muslims don't.

The links above include all this in detail.

 

[Mutakalim]

What is the Islamic system of governance? The Infallible leaders of Ahl Bait? I am Ahl Bait and I don't believe in this crap.

Yeah you are ahl e bait of Yazid.

 

[1000]

I have no interest in going Syria. ISIS is irrelevant to me. Don't confuse me for low iq Muslims.

See this, he wants to play armchair general over us 'lowlife' Arabs and fake Muslims from his HQ room in Michigan using others life's whilst he enjoys safety.

 

[DrawingDead]

You should clean toilets. Do what makes you happy. I am happy curry muncher.

Nice comeback!! Did you come up with that one all on your own? Your kindergarten teacher must be very proud of you. You know, being able to spell all those big words. Racism! the final sanctuary of the ignorant. Good job. Keep it up

 

[Mosamania]

Yeah you are ahl e bait of Yazid.

Yessss yesssssss, let all that bent up Shia sectarianism to the surface man don't hide it, yessssss. Show the world what you truly are.

 

[Imran Khan]

Yeah you are ahl e bait of Yazid.

guys that is problem of us we declare kaffir first and talk letter

 

[ptldM3]

BS the caliphate during its time was more cultured then many of the European contemporary governments.

Sure it was, subjecting people to convert or pay a tax is real culture.

Your Tsar for example treated Muslims like dirt and Lenin actually provided more freedom for Russian Muslims during the Bolshevik Revolution then they had for years if not centuries under the Tsar.

This conversation has nothing to do with tsars or Communism. But what did the tsars do exactly that was worse then what Islamic caliphates do?

Meanwhile under the Ottomans Christians and Jews had largely self rule under the Millet system. Meanwhile the rest of Europe was having intersect warfare and had not a single Muslim in their countries.

The Millet system was a law established by the Ottoman empire. This is like saying look at modern day Turkey, look at all the freedom that minorities have...this means that a caliphate is...okay.

 

[Mutakalim]

guys that is problem of us we declare kaffir first and talk letter

I am not declaring him kafir. He is a muslim same as me. You should read his post.

What is the Islamic system of governance? The Infallible leaders of Ahl Bait? I am Ahl Bait and I don't believe in this crap.

kindly explain it. Who are leaders of ahl e bait?

 

[Mosamania]

I am not declaring him kafir. He is a muslim same as me. You should read his post.


kindly explain it. Who are leaders of ahl e bait?

I trace my family line to Hussien and my family keeps a well detailed family tree of that. There are no leaders of Ahl Bait, it is just a name, being born into Ahl al-Bait is not something to be proud of, only your actions matter, and there is no royal hereditary in Islam to begin with to even claim that Ahl Al-Bait have some sort of blessed blood or royal blood, that would be unfair wouldn't it? And is Islam unfair?

 

[KingMamba]

Sure it was, subjecting people to convert or pay a tax is real culture.

This conversation has nothing to do with tsars or Communism. But what did the tsars do exactly that was worse then what Islamic caliphates do?

The Millet system was a law established by the Ottoman empire. This is like saying look at modern day Turkey, look at all the freedom that minorities have...this means that a caliphate is...okay.

Muslims pay a tax as well, tax in itself is no discriminatory. Yep but it does have to do with a Caliphate and the last caliphate was contemporary to the Tsardom which is why I brought it up. Deportations of Muslims to change demographics of which 20-40% Muslims died in route, destruction of mosques, displacement by granting land rights to ethnic Russian Christians, near destruction of the Circassian and Crimean Tartar peoples. Stealing the Uthmanic Quran from Uzbekistan and taking it to Moscow lol, must I go on?

The Ottoman empire was the last caliphate, which is why I brought them up. If you want we can go further back but the contemporaries of the previous caliphates were likewise worse in comparison to them. Most historians agree as such. I never brought up Turkey so they or the system they have today is not relevant.

 

[Frogman]

Funny how Hazzy/Falcon accuses regimes and people of needing the protection of Israel or the US when in reality he is enjoying the domestic freedoms and protection of the states.

If he openly expressed his terrorist supporting views as he does here in an Arab nation he would already be hung upside down by his testicles in a rather dim lit and dirty room.

 

[Mutakalim]

Sorry brother if I offended you. I am shameful that I used harsh language.

I trace my family line to Hussien and my family keeps a well detailed family tree of that. There are no leaders of Ahl Bait, it is just a name, being born into Ahl al-Bait is not something to be proud of, only your actions matter, and there is no royal hereditary in Islam to begin with to even claim that Ahl Al-Bait have some sort of blessed blood or royal blood, that would be unfair wouldn't it? And is Islam unfair?

Agreed. Fully agreed. There is no royal blood. Caliph or ruler could be anyone, but he should be chosen by people.

But I like to add one thing. As follower of prophet Muslim should respect members of ahl e bait. Being blood of rasool Allah. So I again apologize.