On How to DELETE Israel

[user1]

Look. you are mixing past with present and present with future.

you keep on saying that Quran verse is still applicable on Israel today. Then who are the ones being sent to afflict them with worst torment?

let's hear it.


thank you.

I am not answering you anymore, but, I am just wondering have you ever reflected upon Quran? I doubt it.

 

[R2D2]

I am not answering you anymore, but, I am just wondering have you ever reflected upon Quran? I doubt it.

There are brave men whose enemies are afraid of them from a thousand kilometers and there are those of our Surmas who are afraid of the enemy from 5000 kilometers .

 

[niaz]

Well all Arab armies should unite ,get better training by getting russian support.Russian involvement will keep USA away from that region .So Russians should be lured with oil interests in the middle east.After beating israel from all fronts will make it economically weaker and later the overwhelming Arab armies strength will be enough to finish Israel once and for all.We are not united and that,s why Israel exist.

Combined Arab Armies have tried twice before in 1948 & in 1967. But each time suffered defeat. There are genuine reasons:

With the exception Turkey, Muslims in general & Arabs in particular, leadership & command is not with those who are capable but depends upon your family connections. Thankfully in Pakistan it is limited to politics (MQM & JI are sole exceptions). In most Arab countries it applies across the board including armed forces. An incompetent military commander is a guarantee for defeat.

People forget that in addition to the fervour of a vibrant religion; one of the most important reasons of the dominance of Muslim power over the areas ranging from Siberian steppes to all the way across North Africa and into Spain, Central Europe and India was the Muslim dominance in Science and Technology. Muslims lost this edge after the Renaissance. Despite having overwhelming superiority in numbers and economic wealth of the Arab countries; lack of technological know-how is one of the primary reasons for the defeat of Arab armies.

Jews on the other hand have produced disproportionately large number of scientists, philosophers, doctors etc. Pray tell me can you learn how to design an aeroplane in any of the hundreds of thousands madrasahs all over the Muslim world? Adbus Salam, AQ Khan, Samar Mubarakmand etc including the Quaid e Azam & Allama Iqbal; were all educated in the Western universities, whereas Sheikhs of Deoband declared many of the above notables ‘Kafir’!

There are also differing vested political interests. For example Iran & Hezbollah are Shia but they support Hamas and Ayatollah Khomeni supported PLO. On the other hand Saudi Arabia & Israel are both against Syria & Iran. Israel, because Iran as well Syria support Hamas and Saudis because Bashar AL Assad is Alawite and Iran is Shia.

Like all Muslims, I feel deep anguish when I see Palestinian children blown to bits. Nevertheless, as long as US & European powers support Israel, it cannot be deleted. It will take too long for Muslims to catch up with the Jews in technical capability. Muslim armies are dependent upon weapons produced & invented in the USA, Europe & Russia. USA ensures that Israel gets better and more advanced weapons. Besides, weapons come with severe restrictions on their use. For example will Saudis send their F-15’s to fight Israel? Russia will also never agree to support complete destruction of Israel.

Regret to say that Muslims are good only for killing each other. Saudi inspired Salafi/Takfiri followers such as Taliban/LeJ/ ISIS etc. are the worsts. These people rely on naïve population’s support to help them killing other Muslims and consider that this will earn them Jannat! This poison has destabilized the only nuclear Islamic state and we still dream of a united attack to eliminate Israel???

All Jews are not Zionists and as a human being I am against eliminating/deleting innocent public regardless of their race or religion. There has to be a diplomatic solution. It may be a bitter pill to swallow but there must an agreement with Israel on land for peace basis if this bloodletting is to stop.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Combined Arab Armies have tried twice before in 1948 & in 1967. But each time suffered defeat. There are genuine reasons:

With the exception Turkey, Muslims in general & Arabs in particular, leadership & command is not with those who are capable but depends upon your family connections. Thankfully in Pakistan it is limited to politics (MQM & JI are sole exceptions). In most Arab countries it applies across the board including armed forces. An incompetent military commander is a guarantee for defeat.

People forget that in addition to the fervour of a vibrant religion; one of the most important reasons of the dominance of Muslim power over the areas ranging from Siberian steppes to all the way across North Africa and into Spain, Central Europe and India was the Muslim dominance in Science and Technology. Muslims lost this edge after the Renaissance. Despite having overwhelming superiority in numbers and economic wealth of the Arab countries; lack of technological know-how is one of the primary reasons for the defeat of Arab armies.

Jews on the other hand have produced disproportionately large number of scientists, philosophers, doctors etc. Pray tell me can you learn how to design an aeroplane in any of the hundreds of thousands madrasahs all over the Muslim world? Adbus Salam, AQ Khan, Samar Mubarakmand etc including the Quaid e Azam & Allama Iqbal; were all educated in the Western universities, whereas Sheikhs of Deoband declared many of the above notables ‘Kafir’!

There are also differing vested political interests. For example Iran & Hezbollah or Shia but they support Hamas and Ayatollah Khomeni supported PLO. On the other hand Saudi Arabia & Israel are both against Syria & Iran. Israel, because Iran as well Syria support Hamas and Saudis because Bashar AL Assad is Alawite and Iran is Shia.

Like all Muslims, I feel deep anguish when I see Palestinian children blown to bits. Neverthe less, as long as US & European powers support Israel, it cannot be deleted. It will take too long for Muslims to catch up with the Jews in technical capability. Muslim armies are dependent upon weapons produced & invented in the USA, Europe & Russia. USA ensures that Israel gets better and more advanced weapons. Besides, weapons come with severe restrictions on their use. For example will Saudis send their F-15’s to fight Israel? Russia will also never agree to support complete destruction of Israel.

Regret to say that Muslims are good only for killing each other. Saudi inspired Salafi/Takfiri followers such as Taliban/LeJ/ ISIS etc. are the worsts. These people rely on naïve population’s support to help them killing other Muslims and consider that this will earn them Jannat! This poison has destabilized the only nuclear Islamic state and we still dream of a united attack to eliminate Israel???

All Jews are not Zionists and as a human being I am against eliminating/deleting innocent public regardless of their race or religion. There has to be a diplomatic solution. It may be a bitter pill to swallow but there must an agreement with Israel on land for peace basis if this bloodletting is to stop.

factual and brilliant post.

Oh btw we could add 1973 fiasco of Arab attack on Israel. it failed miserably due to the reasons you mentioned so eloquently.

thank you

 

[SSG_Commando]

The reality speaks otherwise. They have covertly dismantled Arab states one after the other. They are doing CTRL+ ALT+ DELETE. Their dream of greater Israel is slowly coming true.

 

[iioal malik]

Nothing is impossible,--but when you talk of deleting Isreal that's little out of logic,as long there single jew in world isreal won't be deleted-- what surely can be done 1 could try to free palestine also no means a small task--

1st of all it should be clear enough this will never be resolve thru political channel - other option left fight for freedom---Muslim world need 50 thousand soldiers each from Turkey, Pakistan, iran, saudi, egypt, UAE, mix with special forces and air forces pilots 4 ground attacks and air strikes --These 3 hundred thousand soldiers are only in tackling isreal..To get full freedom for palestine we also have to deal with USA..This is where role of power shifting must be played by bringing China, Russia,Japan,n Germany on board..China and Russia both are essential for this give them something real to go after am sure they will oblige.Both can be super powers of this world ..

 

[SSG_Commando]

PART 2

Promised Lands

The previous part was the stick and now the Carrot

And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful. (7:167)
And We divided them throughout the earth into nations. Of them some were righteous, and of them some were otherwise. And We tested them with good [times] and bad that perhaps they would return [to obedience]. (7:168)

The second part of the strategy calls for scattering the Jews to the four winds, just like the previous times, as its is promised to them by God as a punishment for they transgressions against His law and killing of Prophets as well as their wicked role and conspiracy against Jesus Christ.

A movement should be started calling for for new homelands for the jews and criticizing the present homeland as not being the Biblical Promised Land.

1- Polish Homeland
As most of them have come from Europe, so there should be a call for returning to the luxuries of Europe, the law and order and opportunity of business within the whole of Europe.

2- Congo Homeland
As there is a continuous problem in that country, lots of natural resources and Diamonds, so it would be an inducement for the jews that they can quickly form their own govt in an area of this country.

3- Amazon Homeland
At the time of formation of Israel, there was a call for establishing the Homeland in South America. There are thousands of miles of unclaimed lands in the Amazon region with weak governments and the Jews will not find much trouble in making their settlements.

4- Russian Homeland
Most jews came from Russia and there is a Jewish Province in Russia so they should return there. Russia is growing economically so it would be a good place for the Jews to go to.

Semite - Non-semite Issue
At the same time the non-jewish roots of the Zionists should be brought to light and the fact the legally only semites can be Jews and that the europeans are not jews and they have taken over govt from the peaceful semite jews who had been living peacefully for centuries.

Orthodox jews
Many orthodox jewish sects are against the Zionist state of Israel and can be seen protesting against Israel's policies. They should be called upon to ask for the Zionists to leave the country and leave them in peace with the Arabs.

Man LOOK AT REALITY. They ment what they dreamt off. Their dream of GREATER Israel is coming true. They have already dismantled many Arab states and some are left. Looks like we have endless supply of idiots and blinds over here who doenst want to accept reality.

 

[niaz]

Nothing is impossible,--but when you talk of deleting Isreal that's little out of logic,as long there single jew in world isreal won't be deleted-- what surely can be done 1 could try to free palestine also no means a small task--

1st of all it should be clear enough this will never be resolve thru political channel - other option left fight for freedom---Muslim world need 50 thousand soldiers each from Turkey, Pakistan, iran, saudi, egypt, UAE, mix with special forces and air forces pilots 4 ground attacks and air strikes --These 3 hundred thousand soldiers are only in tackling isreal..To get full freedom for palestine we also have to deal with USA..This is where role of power shifting must be played by bringing China, Russia,Japan,n Germany on board..China and Russia both are essential for this give them something real to go after am sure they will oblige.Both can be super powers of this world ..

Honourable Sir,

In 6 day war of 1967, Israel had about 300,000 troops including reservists, 300 combat aircraft & about 800 tanks. Combined forces of Egypt, Syria & Jordan consisted of about 500,000 troops, 950 combat aircraft & 2,500 tanks. Result was complete victory for Israel.

In 1973 Yom Kippur war, they had 400,000 troops, 1700 tanks & 440 combat aircraft. Arab armies facing them were more than 3 times the number. Egypt alone had about 650,000 troops, 1700 tanks and 400 aircraft. Syria had 150, 000 troops, 1200 tanks, and about 200 combat aircraft. There was an Arab expeditionary force from, Iraq, Libya, Tunis, Kuwait, and Morocco, Saudi Arabia etc. with 100,000 troops and about 600 tanks and at least 60 aircraft. North Korea provided 20 pilots and 16 PAF pilots also volunteered. US provided military aid to Israel & Soviet Union to the Arab forces.

Israelis were initially taken completely off guard, but were able to trap the entire Egyptian 3rd army across the Suez Canal. Israelis lost about 3,000 dead, 300 captured, more than 1000 tanks destroyed and about 200 aircrafts (half the Air Force) versus Arab losses of about 15,000 dead, 8,000 captured, 2200 tanks & nearly 400 aircraft destroyed.

But you think that 300,000 will be sufficient to tackle Israel despite the above facts? Saudi inspired Taliban & ISIS are beheading Shias wherever they can. Heard in one program that reason for the sudden success of ISIS in Iraq was that Sunni soldiers of the Iraqi army do not wish to fight fellow Sunni Arabs and since ISIS has been executing all captured Shia soldiers; Shia soldiers don’t want to die for the Sunni dominated cities. Iraqi army ran away and ISIS could capture Mosul with ease. Do you think that Saudis & Iran can fight together for Palestine under these conditions?

You are also ignoring that Israel has nuclear bomb. Pakistan is the only one with nuclear weapons; wouldn’t USA take out Pakistan’s nukes before these can be launched against Israel? In the meantime, with her back to the wall, Israel could unleash her nukes on Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria & Iraq taking killing about 20-million Muslims.

Most importantly, what makes you assume that Russia & China would agree to tackle USA that your dream of deleting Israel can come true? Russia produces more oil & gas than Saudi Arabia, thus Russia has little to gain? China is on her way to becoming a global superpower, what China has to gain from a confrontation with USA? What real thing you are referring to that China & Russia will gain by risking WW 3 with USA.

No state or Empire lasts forever. Crusader states lasted about 150 years; in another 100 years geo- political situation would have changed and elimination of Israel may become possible. In the meantime Arabs have to put their own house in order by acquiring knowledge & technology and create an army where promotion is thru merit alone. Until then there is no other alternative except putting together a diplomatic solution to avoid needless slaughter.

 

[iioal malik]

Honourable Sir,

In 6 day war of 1967, Israel had about 300,000 troops including reservists, 300 combat aircraft & about 800 tanks. Combined forces of Egypt, Syria & Jordan consisted of about 500,000 troops, 950 combat aircraft & 2,500 tanks. Result was complete victory for Israel.

In 1973 Yom Kippur war, they had 400,000 troops, 1700 tanks & 440 combat aircraft. Arab armies facing them were more than 3 times the number. Egypt alone had about 650,000 troops, 1700 tanks and 400 aircraft. Syria had 150, 000 troops, 1200 tanks, and about 200 combat aircraft. There was an Arab expeditionary force from, Iraq, Libya, Tunis, Kuwait, and Morocco, Saudi Arabia etc. with 100,000 troops and about 600 tanks and at least 60 aircraft. North Korea provided 20 pilots and 16 PAF pilots also volunteered. US provided military aid to Israel & Soviet Union to the Arab forces.

Israelis were initially taken completely off guard, but were able to trap the entire Egyptian 3rd army across the Suez Canal. Israelis lost about 3,000 dead, 300 captured, more than 1000 tanks destroyed and about 200 aircrafts (half the Air Force) versus Arab losses of about 15,000 dead, 8,000 captured, 2200 tanks & nearly 400 aircraft destroyed.

But you think that 300,000 will be sufficient to tackle Israel despite the above facts? Saudi inspired Taliban & ISIS are beheading Shias wherever they can. Heard in one program that reason for the sudden success of ISIS in Iraq was that Sunni soldiers of the Iraqi army do not wish to fight fellow Sunni Arabs and since ISIS has been executing all captured Shia soldiers; Shia soldiers don’t want to die for the Sunni dominated cities. Iraqi army ran away and ISIS could capture Mosul with ease. Do you think that Saudis & Iran can fight together for Palestine under these conditions?

You are also ignoring that Israel has nuclear bomb. Pakistan is the only one with nuclear weapons; wouldn’t USA take out Pakistan’s nukes before these can be launched against Israel? In the meantime, with her back to the wall, Israel could unleash her nukes on Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria & Iraq taking killing about 20-million Muslims.

Most importantly, what makes you assume that Russia & China would agree to tackle USA that your dream of deleting Israel can come true? Russia produces more oil & gas than Saudi Arabia, thus Russia has little to gain? China is on her way to becoming a global superpower, what China has to gain from a confrontation with USA? What real thing you are referring to that China & Russia will gain by risking WW 3 with USA.

No state or Empire lasts forever. Crusader states lasted about 150 years; in another 100 years geo- political situation would have changed and elimination of Israel may become possible. In the meantime Arabs have to put their own house in order by acquiring knowledge & technology and create an army where promotion is thru merit alone. Until then there is no other alternative except putting together a diplomatic solution to avoid needless slaughter.

Thanks for the vital information--- i really wasn't aware of it--I was creating possible scenario according to best of my knowledge-1st of all i never said or wish that any country can be or should be deleted-- freedom for Palestine was my focus perhaps you miss understood my attention--

Despite having best technologies better weapons well trained armed forces waiting for rite moment etc in the end wat really matter how badly you wanna win how far 1 willing to go for their freedom- I assure you beyond combined imagination of mine and yours stands a single freedom fighter ---When history turns it's page lifes will be written in the most dramatic manners-- weather rite or wrong soviet union was defeated by those who travelled on donkeys n horses- Constant political pressure and physical action on any given circumstances is ideal for 1 to achieve freedom..however I wish political solution must win so the life's should be saved

 

[Burger Boy]

End the evil Israeli occupation of Arab Land.

but whose land was it in the first place?

 

[qamar1990]

@500

 

[IbnTaymiyyah]

Throw 1 penny in th sea and the problem is sorted

 

[SarthakGanguly]

but whose land was it in the first place?

Present brother, lets focus on the present.

But - damn 'evil Yahoodis' ...

 

[shuntmaster]

Israel is ROM (Read Only Memory) , it cannot be deleted..

 

[shuntmaster]

In Quran, didn't Allah himself give the nation of Israel to the Jews as their promised land?