On How to DELETE Israel

[shuntmaster]

1020 BCE–930 BCE

 

[shuntmaster]

Israel is fighting for its survival. If Israel fails in defending itself, we will be seeing genocide of 10's of millions of Jewish people.
Israel is surrounded by people who are adamant on its total and complete destruction. Israel has to win everytime for its to survive, Israels enemies have to succeed only once for the complete annihilation of the Jewish state.

 

[T-Rex]

Israel is fighting for its survival.

The zionazi state is fighting for retaining what it has robbed from the Palestinians.

If Israel fails in defending itself, we will be seeing genocide of 10's of millions of Jewish people.

Another zionazi excuse for continuing its genocidal activities against the Palestinians.

 

[shuntmaster]

The entire civilized world should stand with Israel at this time. Israel is a tiny state with tiny population in midst of a very hostile region which is 1000 times larger in terms of population and territory.
Israel is surrounded by states and organisation's which don't accept its existence and are very adamant on the destruction of the Israeli state and consequently genocide of 10's of millions of people of Judaism. Israel has to win every time to survive, whereas its enemies have to succeed only once for the complete annihilation of Israel and its people.

Why Support Israel?
If Israel were wiped out tomorrow, Europeans would ask for a brief minute of silence, then sigh relief, and roll up their sleeves to get down to trade and business.
by Victor Davis Hanson

The Muslim world is mystified as to why Americans support the existence of Israel. Some critics in the Middle East excuse "the American people," while castigating our government. In their eyes, our official policy could not really reflect grassroots opinion. Others misinformed spin elaborate conspiracy theories involving the power of joint Mossad-CIA plots, Old Testament fundamentalists, international bankers, and Jewish control of Hollywood, the media, and the U.S. Congress. But why does an overwhelming majority of Americans (according to most polls, between 60 and 70% of the electorate) support Israel -- and more rather than less so after September 11?

The answer is found in values -- not in brainwashing or because of innate affinity for a particular race or creed. Israel is a democracy. Its opponents are not. Much misinformation abounds on this issue. Libya, Syria, and Iraq are dictatorships, far more brutal than even those in Egypt or Pakistan. But even "parliaments" in Iran, Morocco, Jordan, and on the West Bank are not truly and freely democratic. In all of them, candidates are either screened, preselected, or under coercion. Daily television and newspapers are subject to restrictions and censorship; "elected" leaders are not open to public audit and censure. There is a reason, after all, why in the last decade Americans have dealt with Mr. Netanyahu, Barak, and Sharon -- and no one other than Mr. Arafat, the Husseins in Jordan, the Assads in Syria, Mr. Mubarak, and who knows what in Lebanon, Algeria, and Afghanistan. Death, not voters, brings changes of rule in the Arab world.

The Arab street pronounces that it is the responsibility of the United States -- who gives money to Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Afghanistan and others, has troops stationed in the Gulf, and buys oil from the Muslim world -- to use its influence to instill democracies. They forget that sadly these days we rarely have such power to engineer sweeping constitutional reform; that true freedom requires the blood and courage of native patriots -- a Washington, Jefferson, or Thomas Paine -- not outside nations; and that democracy demands some prior traditions of cultural tolerance, widespread literacy, and free markets. Moreover, we give Israel billions as well -- but have little control whether they wish to elect a Rabin or a Sharon.

Israel is also secular. The ultra-Orthodox do not run the government unless they can garner a majority of voters. Americans have always harbored suspicion of anyone who nods violently when reading Holy Scripture -- whether in madrassas, near the Wailing Wall, or in the local Church of the Redeemer down the street. In Israel, however, Americans detect that free speech and liberality of custom and religion are more ubiquitous than, say, in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Palestine -- and so surmise that the Jewish state is more the creation of European émigrés than of indigenous Middle-Eastern fundamentalists.

Pluralism exists in Israel, rarely so in the Arabic world.
Pluralism exists in Israel, rarely so in the Arabic world. We see an Israeli peace party, spirited debate between Left and Right, and both homegrown damnation and advocacy for the settlers outside the 1967 borders. Judaism is fissured by a variety of splinter orthodoxies without gunfights. There are openly agnostic and atheistic Israeli Jews who enjoy influence in Israeli culture and politics. In theory, such parallels exist in the Arab world, but in actuality rarely so. We know that heretical mullahs are heretical more often in London, Paris, or New York -- not in Teheran or among the Taliban. No Palestinian politician would go on CNN and call for Mr. Arafat's resignation; his opposition rests among bombers, not in raucous televised debates.

Israeli newspapers and television reflect a diversity of views, from rabid Zionism to almost suicidal pacifism. There are Arab-Israeli legislators -- and plenty of Jewish intellectuals who openly write and broadcast in opposition to the particular government of the day. Is that liberality ever really true in Palestine? Could a Palestinian, Egyptian, or Syrian novelist write something favorable about Golda Meir, hostile to Mr. Assad or Mubarak, or craft a systematic satire about Islam? Past experience suggests such iconoclasts and would-be critics might suffer stones and fatwas rather than mere ripostes in the letters to the editor of the local newspapers. Palestinian spokesmen are quite vocal and unbridled on American television, but most of us -- who ourselves instinctively welcome self-criticism and reflection -- sense that such garrulousness and freewheeling invective are is reserved only for us, rarely for Mr. Arafat's authority.

Americans also see ingenuity from Israel, both technological and cultural -- achievement that is not reflective of genes, but rather of the culture of freedom. There are thousands of brilliant and highly educated Palestinians. But in the conditions of the Middle East, they have little opportunity for free expression or to open a business without government bribe or tribal payoff. The result is that even American farmers in strange places like central California are always amazed by drip-irrigation products, sophisticated water pumps, and ingenious agricultural appurtenances that are created and produced in Israel. So far we have seen few trademarked in Algeria, Afghanistan, or Qatar.

There is also an affinity between the Israeli and Western militaries that transcends mere official exchanges and arms sales. We do not see goose-stepping soldiers in Haifa as we do in Baghdad. Nor are there in Tel-Aviv hooded troops with plastic bombs strapped to their sides on parade. Nor do Israeli presidents wear plastic sunglasses, carry pistols to the U.N., or have chests full of cheap and tawdry metals. Young rank-and-file Israeli men and women enjoy a familiarity among one another, and their officers are more akin to our own army than to the Republican Guard, Hamas, or Islamic Jihad.

The Israelis also far better reflect the abject lethality of the Western way of war. Here perhaps lies the greatest misunderstanding of military history on the part of the Arab world. The so-called Islamic street believes that sheer numbers and territory -- a billion Muslims, a century of oil reserves, and millions of square miles -- should mysteriously result in lethal armies. History teaches us that war is rarely that simple. Instead, the degree militaries are westernized -- technology that is a fruit of secular research, group discipline arising from consensual societies, logistical efficiency that derives from capitalism, and flexibility that is the dividend from constant public audit and private individualism -- determines victory, despite disadvantages in numbers, natural resources, individual genius, or logistics.

We hear a quite boring refrain from enraged Palestinians of "Apache helicopters" and "F-16s". But in the Lebanese war of the early 1980s we saw what happens in dogfights between advanced Israel and Syrian jets in the same manner Saddam's sophisticated weapons were rendered junk in days by our counterparts. So Israel's power is more the result of a system, not merely of imported hardware. The Arab world does not have a creative arms industry; Israel does -- whether that be ingenious footpads to wear while detecting mines or drone aircraft that fly at night over Mr. Arafat's house. If the Palestinians truly wished military parity, then the Arab world should create their own research programs immune to religious or political censure, and ensure that students are mastering calculus rather than the Koran.

The 20th century taught Americans that some Europeans would annihilate millions of Jews.
Nor are Americans ignorant of the recent past. The United States was not a colonial power in the Middle East, but developed ties there as a reaction to, not as a catalyst of, its complex history. Israel was instead both created and abandoned by Europeans. The 20th century taught Americans that some Europeans would annihilate millions of Jews -- and others prove unwilling or unable to stop such a holocaust. We sensed that the first three wars in the Middle East were not fought to return the West Bank, but to finish off what Hitler could not. And we suspect now that, while hundreds of millions of Arabs would accept a permanent Israel inside its 1967 borders, a few million would not -- and those few would not necessarily be restrained by those who did accept the Jewish state.

Somehow we in the American heartland sense that Israel -- whether its GNP, free society, or liberal press -- is a wound to the psyche, not a threat to the material condition, of the Arab world. Israel did not murder the Kurds or Shiites. It does not butcher Islam's children in Algeria. Nor did it kill over a million on the Iranian-Iraqi border -- much less blow apart Afghanistan, erase from the face of the earth entire villages and their living inhabitants in Syria, or turn parts of Cairo into literal sewers. Yet both the victims and the perpetrators of those crimes against Muslims answer "Israel" to every problem. But Americans, more than any people in history, live in the present and future, not the past, loath scapegoating and the cult of victimization, and are tired of those, here and abroad, who increasingly blame others for their own self-induced pathologies.

#Europe's policy in the Middle East is based on little more than naked self-interest.

The Europeans are quite cynical about all this. Tel Aviv, much better than Cairo or Damascus, reflects the liberal values of Paris or London. Yet the Europeans rarely these days do anything that is not calibrated in terms of gaining money or avoiding trouble -- and in that sense for them Israel is simply a very bad deal. All the sophisticated op-eds about the shuffling of Mr. Jack Straw about Islamic liberalism cannot hide the fact that Europe's policy in the Middle East is based on little more than naked self-interest. If Israel were wiped out tomorrow, Europeans would ask for a brief minute of silence, then sigh relief, and without a blink roll up their sleeves to get down to trade and business.

Our seemingly idiosyncratic support for Israel, then, also says something about ourselves rather than just our ally. In brutal Realpolitik, the Europeans are right that there is nothing much to gain from aiding Israel. Helping a few million costs us the friendship of nearly a billion. An offended Israel will snub us; but some in an irate Muslim world engineered slaughter in Manhattan. Despite our periodic tiffs, we don't fear that any frenzied Israelis will hijack an American plane or murder Marines in their sleep. No Jews are screaming at us on the evening news that we give billions collectively to Mubarak, the Jordanians, and Mr. Arafat. And Israelis lack the cash reserves of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and they do not go on buying sprees in the U.S. or import whole industries from America. So the reason we each support whom we do says something about both Europe and the United States.

Instead of railing at America, Palestinians should instead see in our policy toward Israel their future hope, rather than present despair -- since it is based on disinterested values that can evolve, rather than on race, religion, or language that often cannot. If the Palestinians really wished to even the score with the Israelis in American eyes, then regular elections, a free press, an open and honest economy, and religious tolerance alone would do what suicide bombers and a duplicitous terrorist leader could not.

 

[T-Rex]

1020 BCE–930 BCE

So?????? What happened to it? Did Hitler invite those people to Europe or wipe them out? Is it totally incomprehensible to you that most of the people of that region might have converted to another religion?

 

[shuntmaster]

So?????? What happened to it? Did Hitler invite those people to Europe or wipe them out? Is it totally incomprehensible to you that most of the people of that region might have converted to another religion?

The Jews of Israel were driven out of their land, promised by God, by the Romans in 79 A.D. The Jews dispersed all over the world and were finally able to go back to their promised land after 2000 years.

 

[T-Rex]

The entire civilized world should stand with Israel at this time. Israel is a tiny state with tiny population in midst of a very hostile region which is 1000 times larger in terms of population and territory.
Israel is surrounded by states and organisation's which don't accept its existence and are very adamant on the destruction of the Israeli state and consequently genocide of 10's of millions of people of Judaism. Israel has to win every time to survive, whereas its enemies have to succeed only once for the complete annihilation of Israel and its people.

Why Support Israel?
If Israel were wiped out tomorrow, Europeans would ask for a brief minute of silence, then sigh relief, and roll up their sleeves to get down to trade and business.
by Victor Davis Hanson

The Muslim world is mystified as to why Americans support the existence of Israel. Some critics in the Middle East excuse "the American people," while castigating our government. In their eyes, our official policy could not really reflect grassroots opinion. Others misinformed spin elaborate conspiracy theories involving the power of joint Mossad-CIA plots, Old Testament fundamentalists, international bankers, and Jewish control of Hollywood, the media, and the U.S. Congress. But why does an overwhelming majority of Americans (according to most polls, between 60 and 70% of the electorate) support Israel -- and more rather than less so after September 11?

The answer is found in values -- not in brainwashing or because of innate affinity for a particular race or creed. Israel is a democracy. Its opponents are not. Much misinformation abounds on this issue. Libya, Syria, and Iraq are dictatorships, far more brutal than even those in Egypt or Pakistan. But even "parliaments" in Iran, Morocco, Jordan, and on the West Bank are not truly and freely democratic. In all of them, candidates are either screened, preselected, or under coercion. Daily television and newspapers are subject to restrictions and censorship; "elected" leaders are not open to public audit and censure. There is a reason, after all, why in the last decade Americans have dealt with Mr. Netanyahu, Barak, and Sharon -- and no one other than Mr. Arafat, the Husseins in Jordan, the Assads in Syria, Mr. Mubarak, and who knows what in Lebanon, Algeria, and Afghanistan. Death, not voters, brings changes of rule in the Arab world.

The Arab street pronounces that it is the responsibility of the United States -- who gives money to Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Afghanistan and others, has troops stationed in the Gulf, and buys oil from the Muslim world -- to use its influence to instill democracies. They forget that sadly these days we rarely have such power to engineer sweeping constitutional reform; that true freedom requires the blood and courage of native patriots -- a Washington, Jefferson, or Thomas Paine -- not outside nations; and that democracy demands some prior traditions of cultural tolerance, widespread literacy, and free markets. Moreover, we give Israel billions as well -- but have little control whether they wish to elect a Rabin or a Sharon.

Israel is also secular. The ultra-Orthodox do not run the government unless they can garner a majority of voters. Americans have always harbored suspicion of anyone who nods violently when reading Holy Scripture -- whether in madrassas, near the Wailing Wall, or in the local Church of the Redeemer down the street. In Israel, however, Americans detect that free speech and liberality of custom and religion are more ubiquitous than, say, in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Palestine -- and so surmise that the Jewish state is more the creation of European émigrés than of indigenous Middle-Eastern fundamentalists.

Pluralism exists in Israel, rarely so in the Arabic world.
Pluralism exists in Israel, rarely so in the Arabic world. We see an Israeli peace party, spirited debate between Left and Right, and both homegrown damnation and advocacy for the settlers outside the 1967 borders. Judaism is fissured by a variety of splinter orthodoxies without gunfights. There are openly agnostic and atheistic Israeli Jews who enjoy influence in Israeli culture and politics. In theory, such parallels exist in the Arab world, but in actuality rarely so. We know that heretical mullahs are heretical more often in London, Paris, or New York -- not in Teheran or among the Taliban. No Palestinian politician would go on CNN and call for Mr. Arafat's resignation; his opposition rests among bombers, not in raucous televised debates.

Israeli newspapers and television reflect a diversity of views, from rabid Zionism to almost suicidal pacifism. There are Arab-Israeli legislators -- and plenty of Jewish intellectuals who openly write and broadcast in opposition to the particular government of the day. Is that liberality ever really true in Palestine? Could a Palestinian, Egyptian, or Syrian novelist write something favorable about Golda Meir, hostile to Mr. Assad or Mubarak, or craft a systematic satire about Islam? Past experience suggests such iconoclasts and would-be critics might suffer stones and fatwas rather than mere ripostes in the letters to the editor of the local newspapers. Palestinian spokesmen are quite vocal and unbridled on American television, but most of us -- who ourselves instinctively welcome self-criticism and reflection -- sense that such garrulousness and freewheeling invective are is reserved only for us, rarely for Mr. Arafat's authority.

Americans also see ingenuity from Israel, both technological and cultural -- achievement that is not reflective of genes, but rather of the culture of freedom. There are thousands of brilliant and highly educated Palestinians. But in the conditions of the Middle East, they have little opportunity for free expression or to open a business without government bribe or tribal payoff. The result is that even American farmers in strange places like central California are always amazed by drip-irrigation products, sophisticated water pumps, and ingenious agricultural appurtenances that are created and produced in Israel. So far we have seen few trademarked in Algeria, Afghanistan, or Qatar.

There is also an affinity between the Israeli and Western militaries that transcends mere official exchanges and arms sales. We do not see goose-stepping soldiers in Haifa as we do in Baghdad. Nor are there in Tel-Aviv hooded troops with plastic bombs strapped to their sides on parade. Nor do Israeli presidents wear plastic sunglasses, carry pistols to the U.N., or have chests full of cheap and tawdry metals. Young rank-and-file Israeli men and women enjoy a familiarity among one another, and their officers are more akin to our own army than to the Republican Guard, Hamas, or Islamic Jihad.

The Israelis also far better reflect the abject lethality of the Western way of war. Here perhaps lies the greatest misunderstanding of military history on the part of the Arab world. The so-called Islamic street believes that sheer numbers and territory -- a billion Muslims, a century of oil reserves, and millions of square miles -- should mysteriously result in lethal armies. History teaches us that war is rarely that simple. Instead, the degree militaries are westernized -- technology that is a fruit of secular research, group discipline arising from consensual societies, logistical efficiency that derives from capitalism, and flexibility that is the dividend from constant public audit and private individualism -- determines victory, despite disadvantages in numbers, natural resources, individual genius, or logistics.

We hear a quite boring refrain from enraged Palestinians of "Apache helicopters" and "F-16s". But in the Lebanese war of the early 1980s we saw what happens in dogfights between advanced Israel and Syrian jets in the same manner Saddam's sophisticated weapons were rendered junk in days by our counterparts. So Israel's power is more the result of a system, not merely of imported hardware. The Arab world does not have a creative arms industry; Israel does -- whether that be ingenious footpads to wear while detecting mines or drone aircraft that fly at night over Mr. Arafat's house. If the Palestinians truly wished military parity, then the Arab world should create their own research programs immune to religious or political censure, and ensure that students are mastering calculus rather than the Koran.

The 20th century taught Americans that some Europeans would annihilate millions of Jews.
Nor are Americans ignorant of the recent past. The United States was not a colonial power in the Middle East, but developed ties there as a reaction to, not as a catalyst of, its complex history. Israel was instead both created and abandoned by Europeans. The 20th century taught Americans that some Europeans would annihilate millions of Jews -- and others prove unwilling or unable to stop such a holocaust. We sensed that the first three wars in the Middle East were not fought to return the West Bank, but to finish off what Hitler could not. And we suspect now that, while hundreds of millions of Arabs would accept a permanent Israel inside its 1967 borders, a few million would not -- and those few would not necessarily be restrained by those who did accept the Jewish state.

Somehow we in the American heartland sense that Israel -- whether its GNP, free society, or liberal press -- is a wound to the psyche, not a threat to the material condition, of the Arab world. Israel did not murder the Kurds or Shiites. It does not butcher Islam's children in Algeria. Nor did it kill over a million on the Iranian-Iraqi border -- much less blow apart Afghanistan, erase from the face of the earth entire villages and their living inhabitants in Syria, or turn parts of Cairo into literal sewers. Yet both the victims and the perpetrators of those crimes against Muslims answer "Israel" to every problem. But Americans, more than any people in history, live in the present and future, not the past, loath scapegoating and the cult of victimization, and are tired of those, here and abroad, who increasingly blame others for their own self-induced pathologies.

#Europe's policy in the Middle East is based on little more than naked self-interest.

The Europeans are quite cynical about all this. Tel Aviv, much better than Cairo or Damascus, reflects the liberal values of Paris or London. Yet the Europeans rarely these days do anything that is not calibrated in terms of gaining money or avoiding trouble -- and in that sense for them Israel is simply a very bad deal. All the sophisticated op-eds about the shuffling of Mr. Jack Straw about Islamic liberalism cannot hide the fact that Europe's policy in the Middle East is based on little more than naked self-interest. If Israel were wiped out tomorrow, Europeans would ask for a brief minute of silence, then sigh relief, and without a blink roll up their sleeves to get down to trade and business.

Our seemingly idiosyncratic support for Israel, then, also says something about ourselves rather than just our ally. In brutal Realpolitik, the Europeans are right that there is nothing much to gain from aiding Israel. Helping a few million costs us the friendship of nearly a billion. An offended Israel will snub us; but some in an irate Muslim world engineered slaughter in Manhattan. Despite our periodic tiffs, we don't fear that any frenzied Israelis will hijack an American plane or murder Marines in their sleep. No Jews are screaming at us on the evening news that we give billions collectively to Mubarak, the Jordanians, and Mr. Arafat. And Israelis lack the cash reserves of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and they do not go on buying sprees in the U.S. or import whole industries from America. So the reason we each support whom we do says something about both Europe and the United States.

Instead of railing at America, Palestinians should instead see in our policy toward Israel their future hope, rather than present despair -- since it is based on disinterested values that can evolve, rather than on race, religion, or language that often cannot. If the Palestinians really wished to even the score with the Israelis in American eyes, then regular elections, a free press, an open and honest economy, and religious tolerance alone would do what suicide bombers and a duplicitous terrorist leader could not.

Are you trying to sound ethical? There is nothing ethical about robbery?

The Jews of Israel were driven out of their land, promised by God, by the Romans in 79 A.D. The Jews dispersed all over the world and were finally able to go back to their promised land after 2000 years.

And before the period of 1020 BCE–930 BCE the land was inhabited by the Canaanites and the present day Palestinians are the descendents of those Canaanites, so get lost with your zionazi claim.

 

[shuntmaster]

And before the period of 1020 BCE–930 BCE the land was inhabited by the Canaanites and the present day Palestinians are the descendents of those Canaanites

But the Quran itself says that Allah gave that land to the Jews...

 

[acid rain]

@the OP,

Insurgencies will not end non muslim states that are willing to fight you out.

What did 3 decades of Pakistani insurgency do to India, the only thing it got Pakistaan is thousands of jihadis on their soil and a state machinery that is geared to manufacture more and more jihadis.

But look at the condition of Pakistan and the status of India, we are more stronger than before and Pakistan is more weaker than before. Faujhistorian is right, Israel is more stronger and powerful than ever while most muslim states are disintegrating.

Take the top 20 nations who are ruling the world now, muslims are hardly represented in them - they will not come up till they stopping gearing themselves up to destroy another.

Maarne waale se bachane wala hamesha badaa hota hai.

 

[T-Rex]

But the Quran itself says that Allah gave that land to the Jews...

A zionazi wanabe giving reference from the Qur'an after failing to establish his historical claim (he thought he was the only teacher of History), now how low can they stoop? It's really amazing! We're eagerly waiting for this zionazi wanabe to reveal the Qur'an to us, please feel free to show the ayat where Allah says so.

 

[shuntmaster]

A zionazi wanabe giving reference from the Qur'an after failing to establish his historical claim (he thought he was the only teacher of History), now how low can they stoop? It's really amazing! We're eagerly waiting for this zionazi wanabe to reveal the Qur'an to us, please feel free to show the ayat where Allah says so.

Its your holy book mate. You should know. Why should A kafir like me spoon feed your own religious texts?

 

[hussain0216]

@the OP,

Insurgencies will not end non muslim states that are willing to fight you out.

What did 3 decades of Pakistani insurgency do to India, the only thing it got Pakistaan is thousands of jihadis on their soil and a state machinery that is geared to manufacture more and more jihadis.

But look at the condition of Pakistan and the status of India, we are more stronger than before and Pakistan is more weaker than before. Faujhistorian is right, Israel is more stronger and powerful than ever while most muslim states are disintegrating.

Take the top 20 nations who are ruling the world now, muslims are hardly represented in them - they will not come up till they stopping gearing themselves up to destroy another.

Maarne waale se bachane wala hamesha badaa hota hai.

Muslim insurgency is long lasting

The crusaders said the same things but after 100 years of constant harassment they were defeated and destroyed

in Israel the muslim population will soon exceed the jews in Gaza/WB/israel and will keep rising

These things are not decided over a few years or decade's we don't forget an enemy


Power comes and goes the muslim world is hugh and power will return and when it does combined with our massive population our enemies will pay (just the reality)

Its your holy book mate. You should know. Why should A kafir like me spoon feed your own religious texts?

The original jews were middle eastern hebrews not polish like netenyaho or moldovan like their FM

white jews turning up in the middle east pretending to be more middle eastern then the middle easterners is a joke

a sick colonial joke


This is why they have gotten no peace, will get no peace and will be harassed continuesly whilst the muslim population grows in the land they covet

 

[acid rain]

Muslim insurgency is long lasting

The crusaders said the same things but after 100 years of constant harassment they were defeated and destroyed

in Israel the muslim population will soon exceed the jews in Gaza/WB/israel and will keep rising

These things are not decided over a few years or decade's we don't forget an enemy


Power comes and goes the muslim world is hugh and power will return and when it does combined with our massive population our enemies will pay (just the reality)

Lets not go into 100 years because I doubt the OP is willing to wait so long to destroy Israel.

The whole increase in muslim population is whats fueling the conflict, muslims are supposed to overrun, europe, russia, US etc and incidently the most jihadis come from these states.

Crusader nations are the most powerful now so where is the loss?

Quality matters not quantity.

 

[hussain0216]

Lets not go into 100 years because I doubt the OP is willing to wait so long to destroy Israel.

The whole increase in muslim population is whats fueling the conflict, muslims are supposed to overrun, europe, russia, US etc and incidently the most jihadis come from these states.

Crusader nations are the most powerful now so where is the loss?

Quality matters not quantity.

Like I said power come and goes

The only guarantee is that there is no guarantee

Great empires crumble and tiny states become great empire's

Like I said the Muslim world is enormous and heading towards 2 billion population

and at some point there will be an awakening of the massive latent power of the Muslim world, now combine this with an enormous international population and slowly we will tip the balance against Israel, Myanmar etc

There's no point in giving up, keep the fires burning

 

[FaujHistorian]

Like I said power come and goes

The only guarantee is that there is no guarantee

Great empires crumble and tiny states become great empire's

Like I said the Muslim world is enormous and heading towards 2 billion population

and at some point there will be an awakening of the massive latent power of the Muslim world, now combine this with an enormous international population and slowly we will tip the balance against Israel, Myanmar etc

There's no point in giving up, keep the fires burning

Bihar (my ancesstor's state) is still BIMARU and will remain BIMARU for a long time to come.

Oh and it has lots and lots of Muslims too.

I hope BIHAR and Afghanistan and Somalia and Yemen is the not the future of billions and billions of Muslims.