OBL raid: US raid team member claims Chinook resupply helicopter evaded attack by PAF F-16

[Raider 21]

The official story shows some amazing incompetence at all levels by the PakMil.

Incompetence they have never displayed before....or since. Either i) they expended their entire quota on that day or ii) there is more to it.

And weird PakMil situations. A few hours before the raid, all roads closed. My extended family watched all the action from the balcony. Needless to say they were impressed by all of it but couldn't get out of the house as either army or the intelligence group had cordoned off the area. Lapses of inaccuracies etc etc

 

[khail007]

Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

The US leaders/military leaders are born liars and proved many times.
So American's tech even have ECM to deceive bullets? Their helicopter was many times faster than F-16?
OBL was US agent and only met his fate as directed by directors while US election was at the corner.
Saddam was another one and also caught before elections.
Coincidences ... huh.
Now again the elections and CORONA ... CORONA ... CORONA. or still there is some ting more to be happen in the world?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

What they forgot to mention was that the americans also found the Iraqi WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins, in OBL' s hideout in Abbotabad.

 

[MastanKhan]

What stops Russia, Sweden, UK, France, Italy, Spain etc etc from having kill switches installed in their own aircraft when they export them to other countries.

Hi,

The don't have a law to install kill switches in their aircraft---.

All american based / manufactured aircraft and all aircraft flying into the USA have kill switches---. That was enforced by homeland security in around 2008.

All aircraft that have a DATA LINK by default have kill switches---.

All cars with DATA link have kill switches---we put them on all sub prime loans.

All commercial class 8 trucks we sell the bank installs GPS and kill switches---.

I am literally shocked at the quality of education that you people got that you cannot even comprehend the very basics of Control Thru Technology---.

When the congress asks the defense department---General you are telling us that this nation needs our equipment---most advanced equipment---what guarantees we have that it will not be used against us---?

Can anyone take a wild guess what the answer would be---? Yes---Control Thru Data Link---Control Thru Passcode Key---.

Where did you people get your schooling from by the way---I am just astounded at lack of common sense---.

And engineering issues do not have a " he has a right to speak because he thinks otherwise "---.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

US can't never thank enough Asif Ali Zardari.

Not Zardari that was General Pasha n Kyani

 

[notorious_eagle]

Of-course, USAF was on standby on that day and numerous assets were in fact airborne. To my knowledge, they were prepared for any eventuality on a much bigger scale, should the punches be thrown. This was an exceedingly high-stakes mission, particularly in a country as militarized as Pakistan.

I understand the position of Pakistani top brass to not be willing to throw entire country into chaos over these events.

At the end of the day, this was a US Asset. Every Pakistani Officer knows that US Assets are off limits, and are not to be engaged. One miscalculation from the Pakistani side against a US asset, and the USAF would have turned PAF into a Islamabad flying club.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Filthy Indian....

I know the details and believe me When we are on air no U.S fighter was inside our airspace....They were allowed secretly to do a drama for Obama's election by Zardari.....OBL was dead long back in Tora Bora....Only his remaining family living there with U.S permission....


Back to U.S after inspecting and taking down samples....

Not many people understands it. The shit was impossible to pull by the Americans, period.

 

[notorious_eagle]

No, your MIG-21 stand no chance against an F-16 in an engagement. Your MIG-21 scored no kill on 27-02-19. There is massive difference between Bollywood propaganda and reality.

I remember there was a time, when i had just joined this forum, our Indian friends were claiming that the MIG21 Bison's were good enough to take on the F16's. The SU30MKI was God's answer to aviation, but the MIG21 was mighty enough to take on the F16's and IAF would decimate PAF within a day.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

The don't have a law to install kill switches in their aircraft---.

All american based / manufactured aircraft and all aircraft flying into the USA have kill switches---. That was enforced by homeland security in around 2008.

All aircraft that have a DATA LINK by default have kill switches---.

All cars with DATA link have kill switches---we put them on all sub prime loans.

All commercial class 8 trucks we sell the bank installs GPS and kill switches---.

I am literally shocked at the quality of education that you people got that you cannot even comprehend the very basics of Control Thru Technology---.

When the congress asks the defense department---General you are telling us that this nation needs our equipment---most advanced equipment---what guarantees we have that it will not be used against us---?

Can anyone take a wild guess what the answer would be---? Yes---Control Thru Data Link---Control Thru Passcode Key---.

Where did you people get your schooling from by the way---I am just astounded at lack of common sense---.

And engineering issues do not have a " he has a right to speak because he thinks otherwise "---.

Then why were AMRAAM codes allowed for the morning of 27th Feb. Just curious to hear your point of view. Enlighten me man, I'm an aerospace engineer myself so I'm open to stuff that I may not be aware of.

We got our schooling from you, just as you taught your own children.

 

[MastanKhan]

Then why were AMRAAM codes allowed for the morning of 27th Feb. Just curious to hear your point of view. Enlighten me man, I'm an aerospace engineer myself so I'm open to stuff that I may not be aware of.

We got our schooling from you, just as you taught your own children.

Hi,

That is your expertise---so you talk about it---and I will listen---.

I have been talking about 'kill switch' issue for the last 15 years over here---so you guys did not get schooling from me---. Looks like you boys were busy watching girls and Porno---.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

That is your expertise---so you talk about it---and I will listen---.

I have been talking about 'kill switch' issue for the last 15 years over here---so you guys did not get schooling from me---. Looks like you boys were busy watching girls and Porno---.

Man that was a serious question what I asked earlier. If you talk like that with your kids, that's great but respond a little more sensibly or by your age. Show me a link or something I could read. Not your emotions.

 

[LeGenD]

Not many people understands it. The shit was impossible to pull by the Americans, period.

You will be surprised to learn about (and be in shock) what kind of shit they have pulled through in different theaters. Do not jump to premature conclusions. WE are not talking about Indians here.

Let me tell you this; this was a mere trailer. They had numerous ways to attack and destroy that compound from a distance and WE wouldn't have known a damn thing. However, many proposals were shot down during deliberations in favor of least costly approach. They weren't trying to level the entire Abbottabad block in the process.

Certain aspects of American military capabilities approach Sci-Fi levels of SHOCK and AWE for real.

 

[TsAr]

The very fact that the pilot was expecting some kind of retaliation and was prepared, just squashes any theory of joint operations. You can always call that pilot a liar.

This was a highly secretive mission, only people who mattered at the highest level were aware of the deal. Pilots or operators of the mission would have no clue what deal was struck.....

 

[Jungibaaz]

People haven’t been told the truth yet, it’s got nothing to do with PAF capabilities etc.

I’ve heard different aspects of the same story thrice in truth, from three separate sources, including one who might well have been in the loop. And these stories all corroborate one another.

They were here courtesy of our military, you could almost call the ‘raid’ a joint operation. They were never meant to be intercepted. It was pre-planned and agreed by both sides.

Story changed at the eleventh hour due to unforeseen circumstances. Obama chose not to risk it and threw Kayani and Pak army (and the whole of Pakistan with them) under the bus.

This being the real story will get out sometime in the future.

 

[BL33D]

This was a highly secretive mission, only people who mattered at the highest level were aware of the deal. Pilots or operators of the mission would have no clue what deal was struck.....

They wouldnt know that the territory they are entering is friendly or hostile ? If the F-16 chasing them are friendly or hostile ? Really ?