Not in our country: Japanese fight relocation of US military facility

[Aepsilons]

The Military Bases in Okinawa (US Military and JSDF) are imperative for the safety and security of Japan. Period.

And as a former military personnel, I know the value of its continued presence, and operation. Okinawa is a forward stationing base for the JGSDF's Western Army, and is of strategic value that this, as well as home to the JASDF [Japan Air Self Defense Force] Southwestern Air Division Command -- which includes the 83rd Air Wing, 53rd Air Defense Missile Command. Not to mention that the Japan Maritime Self Defense Force's 4th Escort Fleet has forwardly deployed ships in Okinawa.

Where will the Western Army, Southwestern Air Division Command and the 4th Escort Fleet Command go if all military bases were to be moved ? We are talking about JSDF's military presence that exceeds 50,000 strong. Who's going to build a new base? Do you know how much building a new base costs?

No. Okinawa is strategically important for Japan as it is for the United States. And it will remain home to the Japan Self Defense Force as well as the United States Military. We're not going to jeopardize the defense of Japan Home Islands for the sake of some Damned protesters.

 

[Aepsilons]

Several years ago there were some left wing protesters who were protesting against the presence of the JGSDF's Northern Army in Hokkaido. They were requesting that the Northern Army's headquarters be moved from Sapporo (where it is based at) to more peripheral regions in Hokkaido. You know the result ? The National Government prohibited the movement as a national security risk that would limit the JGSDF Northern Army's ability to defend Hokkaido in event of a military exigency.

I have personal hatred for these anti-military protesters throughout Japan who have the gall to protest the very force that protects them. These socialist scum can all go to hell and rot.

National security trumps local opposition. Period.

 

[terranMarine]

that's not the way to talk about these peace loving countrymen of yours. They just want the relocation of the American troops, preferably out of Japan and back to US or Guam

 

[Aepsilons]

that's not the way to talk about these peace loving countrymen of yours.

Peace loving? ha ha, you should hear the kind of invectives they shout at soldiers , sailors in the streets. Or the kinds of traitorous chants they say during military parades. These are not Japanese, but left wing crazy fanatics. The type that burn themselves to 'protest' national defense policies.

I hate these traitors more than any thing else.

 

[kawaraj]

Several years ago there were some left wing protesters who were protesting against the presence of the JGSDF's Northern Army in Hokkaido. They were requesting that the Northern Army's headquarters be moved from Sapporo (where it is based at) to more peripheral regions in Hokkaido. You know the result ? The National Government prohibited the movement as a national security risk that would limit the JGSDF Northern Army's ability to defend Hokkaido in event of a military exigency.

I have personal hatred for these anti-military protesters throughout Japan who have the gall to protest the very force that protects them. These socialist scum can all go to hell and rot.

National security trumps local opposition. Period.

I just kindly request our Mods to dethrong your title of PDF THINK TANK, you are not worth it.

Please also focus on the topic of US military bases, you are stealing the topic.

 

[Aepsilons]

I just kindly request our Mods to dethrong your title of PDF THINK TANK, you are not worth it.

Please also focus on the topic of US military bases, you are stealing the topic.

I am conveying my personal dissatisfaction against leftists, separatists. And I stand by my word.

No self respecting Japanese would support groups that call for the separation of the Nation's territory, or call for the adopting of policies that would limit the Nation's ability to defend itself.

 

[kawaraj]

I am conveying my personal dissatisfaction against leftists, separatists. And I stand by my word.

Japan is largely a leftists nation since WWII.

And if you want to represent Japan in the forum, Please stay as modest and not polarized.

 

[Aepsilons]

I will posit my view as I deem fit, and in regards to this particular topic, I am very passionate about as it concerns the defense and security of my Nation. Thanks.

 

[kawaraj]

I will posit my view as I deem fit, and in regards to this particular topic, I am very passionate about as it concerns the defense and security of my Nation. Thanks.

Everyone could be passionate in the forum and concerned of his Nation's interest. As Vietnamese also take care of his nation's interest.

But to post a objective thread, you need more.

 

[Aepsilons]

We're not talking about Vietnam or anything else. We're talking about Japan's national defense. In this regard, US military presence in Okinawa is symbiotic with Japanese military presence in Okinawa. Any reduction of US forces in Okinawa would significantly reduce the capability of the nation to respond to any emergency in the Korean peninsula or in the Sea of Japan (God forbid if it should happen). This would reduce BMD capability, would reduce naval forces' ability to contain the North Korean submarine threat (which follows an assymetric warfare doctrine). US Naval Base in Okinawa allows the US 7th Fleet to coordinate with the JMSDF's 4th escort fleet and 2nd escort fleet to address threats in said scenarios.

 

[terranMarine]

We're not talking about Vietnam or anything else. We're talking about Japan's national defense. In this regard, US military presence in Okinawa is symbiotic with Japanese military presence in Okinawa. Any reduction of US forces in Okinawa would significantly reduce the capability of the nation to respond to any emergency in the Korean peninsula or in the Sea of Japan (God forbid if it should happen). This would reduce BMD capability, would reduce naval forces' ability to contain the North Korean submarine threat (which follows an assymetric warfare doctrine). US Naval Base in Okinawa allows the US 7th Fleet to coordinate with the JMSDF's 4th escort fleet and 2nd escort fleet to address threats in said scenarios.

And suddenly you realize Japan isn't as tough as you try to make us believe.

 

[kawaraj]

We're not talking about Vietnam or anything else. We're talking about Japan's national defense. In this regard, US military presence in Okinawa is symbiotic with Japanese military presence in Okinawa. Any reduction of US forces in Okinawa would significantly reduce the capability of the nation to respond to any emergency in the Korean peninsula or in the Sea of Japan (God forbid if it should happen). This would reduce BMD capability, would reduce naval forces' ability to contain the North Korean submarine threat (which follows an assymetric warfare doctrine). US Naval Base in Okinawa allows the US 7th Fleet to coordinate with the JMSDF's 4th escort fleet and 2nd escort fleet to address threats in said scenarios.

We will have our own dispatch without the US navy presense. If the threat is from North Korean submarine, A US 7th fleet deployment is out of proportion move and may raise unneccessery complicatons.

 

[C130]

shiiiiiiiet i'm all for shutting down all our foreign military bases

Cut Cost of U.S. Military Bases

So here is my take, if we just shut down most US military bases in Japan we could save $55 billion, more or less. If we shut down two thirds of the “small bases”, we could save two trillion dollars!

and cutting the DoD budget by 30%
and ending entitlements and what not

i wonder what would happen in that power vaccum.

 

[Aepsilons]

And suddenly you realize Japan isn't as tough as you try to make us believe.

North East Asia is a volatile region. There are fractious forces , an unresolved war, between North Korea (nuclear powered) and South Korea. A failure in communication can result in disastrous consequences (God forbid) in Korean peninsula, as well as Japan. Tho i am in the position that the formal talks between China, North Korea, South Korea, Japan as well as Russia is a force to prevent discord, but the possibility of the alternative is there.

 

[terranMarine]

shiiiiiiiet i'm all for shutting down all our foreign military bases

Cut Cost of U.S. Military Bases



and cutting the DoD budget by 30%
and ending entitlements and what not

i wonder what would happen in that power vaccum.

ABSOLUTELY NOT, you will not leave. the more the merrier