Next war with opponents from Sangh pariwar will be different

[JattPanjabi]

We have no connections to Sikhs and Hindus. They are the "real indians".

This is silly, my family is from Gujranwala. We had relatives with the same last name who are Muslim and still living there. Of course Pak Punjabis have connections to Indian Punjabis.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

This is silly, my family is from Gujranwala. We had relatives with the same last name who are Muslim and still living there. Of course Pak Punjabis have connections to Indian Punjabis.

Yes they share Language, food, cultural heritage.

 

[ManavKalia]

Ok, sorry misread your statement. South Asian were united once to defend themselves and their communities but in recent times they have grown apart. More are finding common ground through their faith hence a closer connection with Indian Muslims, Bangladeshis, Arabs, North Africans, Somalis, Turks etc. Hindus and Sikhs are closer to the White Brotish populations now.

Western view of Islam after terror attacks is responsible for that.

 

[dadeechi]

Nuclear doctrines are bit more complex than this.

Yeah they are so complex that they are only good for intelligent people working on their Phd thesis.

They have no practical utility in actual war scenario. No one is going to fight a major war under a nuclear cloud.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Western view of Islam after terror attacks is responsible for that.

No the occupation and destruction of Iraq is the reason. the situation in Syria and ongoing onslaught of Palestine. This is what's brought the communities together, western occupation and hypocrisy.

 

[Verve]

No it will not. Simple reason is that ABM is not designed to work in that way world over. If you knew anything about ABM, you would have realised that it's a defence shield for static locations, not mobile locations.

In that case, your hallucinating friend's statement here that conventional war being easy and lasting only a few days becomes redundant. If India has no defence against Pak's battlefield nukes then how can you lot claim a conventional war to be 'just a few days'. Maybe it'll be a few days before Indians run back.

There was never a decisive victory in Indo-Pak wars. 1971 was an anomaly as East Pakistan was far away from the West. No sane Indian would propose IA to venture deep to Pakistani territory. Any future war would just be limited to few kms along the LoC & IB.

It's their hatred for Pakistan and supremacy driven insanity that's concerning. Fascist Hallucinating Hindu is very capable of starting such a war. Maybe in a decade or two he will.

 

[ManavKalia]

Yeah they are so complex that they are only good for intelligent people working on their Phd thesis.

They have no practical utility in actual war scenario. No one is going to fight a major war under a nuclear cloud.

Countries develop nuclear weapons to form first strike capability. Then they develop second strike capabilities like nuclear subs. Then they develop nuclear defense mechanisms like ABM. This is the basic nuclear doctrine, that doesn't require a PhD to understand. More complex understanding of the same might require a PhD or masters.

In simplistic terms, a complete nuclear portfolio entails first strike, second strike, and nuclear defence. India's nuclear portfolio has all three components and is thus better than Pakistan's nuclear portfolio which only has first strike. By the time Pakistan develops second strike and ABM, India's second strike and ABM would have improved further. So Pakistan would always be catching up to India's nuclear portfolio.

Now conventional wars will not be influenced by this as nuclear portfolio superiority doesn't mean India will launch nukes, and that Pakistan wouldn't retaliate with nukes. These are just components of overall warfare.

Finally I believe as history has proven, all military comparisons will be null and void. The real wars are economic wars, propaganda wars, information wars, and ideological wars. India is comfortable in these areas wrt to Pakistan as of now.

 

[Soumitra]

In that case, your hallucinating friend's statement here that conventional war being easy and lasting only a few days becomes redundant. If India has no defence against Pak's battlefield nukes then how can you lot claim a conventional war to be 'just a few days'. Maybe it'll be a few days before Indians run back.



It's their hatred for Pakistan and supremacy driven insanity that's concerning. Fascist Hallucinating Hindu is very capable of starting such a war. Maybe in a decade or two he will.

Why do you consider nukes as just toys? And battlefield nukes? u will nuke your own land. but you have forgotten that any nuclear attack, TNW or strategic will be responded by full scale second strike. It is like you have an AK 47 and a 9 mm pistol. Your opponent has an AK 47 but he said he will not fire first. You underestimate your opponent and you fire your 9 mm and cause a flesh wound hoping he doesnt respond but in response he will fire the whole magazine of AK 47

 

[ManavKalia]

No the occupation and destruction of Iraq is the reason. the situation in Syria and ongoing onslaught of Palestine. This is what's brought the communities together, western occupation and hypocrisy.

Palestine is much earlier to Islamaphobia and Iraq and Syria came much later. Study the timelines.

 

[dadeechi]

It's their hatred for Pakistan and supremacy driven insanity that's concerning. Fascist Hallucinating Hindu is very capable of starting such a war. Maybe in a decade or two he will.

Who are you referring to when you say "their"? I am not a Pakistani and I am a Hindu.

No one in India is itching for a war with Pakistan.

 

[ManavKalia]

In that case, your hallucinating friend's statement here that conventional war being easy and lasting only a few days becomes redundant. If India has no defence against Pak's battlefield nukes then how can you lot claim a conventional war to be 'just a few days'. Maybe it'll be a few days before Indians run back.

I'm not responsible for any friend, his views, hallucinating or otherwise. I have very crystal clear independent views on everything, which I have conveyed in detail in my posts in this thread. Kindly go thru them, and you'll see for yourself.

I've stated clearly that no one can afford a conventional war, as the war bill for even a month will shatter the economies of the participating nations beyond repair.

Even for a week, the bill will be so high as to destroy the growth rates of both economies. This is known to even small kids, and the rest is a day dream by keyboard warriors on both sides.

 

[dadeechi]

Countries develop nuclear weapons to form first strike capability. Then they develop second strike capabilities like nuclear subs. Then they develop nuclear defense mechanisms like ABM. This is the basic nuclear doctrine, that doesn't require a PhD to understand. More complex understanding of the same might require a PhD or masters.

In simplistic terms, a complete nuclear portfolio entails first strike, second strike, and nuclear defence. India's nuclear portfolio has all three components and is thus better than Pakistan's nuclear portfolio weigh only has first strike. By the time Pakistan develops second strike and ABM, India's second strike and ABM would have improved further. So Pakistan would always be catching up to India's nuclear portfolio.

Now conventional wars will not be influenced by this as nuclear portfolio superiority doesn't mean India will launch nukes, and that Pakistan wouldn't retaliate with nukes. These are just components of overall warfare.

Finally I believe as history has proven, all military comparisons will be null and void. The real wars are economic wars, propaganda wars, information wars, and ideological wars. India is comfortable in these areas wrt to Pakistan as of now.

I understand all that but at the end of the day having these does not mean anything. These will never bring complete and fool proof security.

 

[Navin A]

Pakistan Army must target south of India, Gujrat and Maharashtra where army density is minimum and they are contributing towards Indian economy.


Where I can find the boo button for you

That is a very shallow & disgusting method at targeting civilians. It only exposes your jealousy and disgust towards India's success. None the less I am glad you are not at the helm of the Park Army, otherwise, the context of Pakistan's survivability of nuclear fallout would have gone out through the roof a long time ago.

 

[ManavKalia]

I understand all that but at the end of the day having these does not mean anything. These will never bring complete and fool proof security.

No nuclear doctrine on earth is 100%, fool proof, complete and secure. That doesn't prevent nuclear states including India and Pakistan from pursuing their individual nuclear doctrines.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Palestine is much earlier to Islamaphobia and Iraq and Syria came much later. Study the timelines.

Intifada of 2000 when Arial Sharon stepped foot on Islams third holiest site Masjid Al Aqsa and the massacre of hebron. For the generation that was growing up or born 16 years ago witnessing The invasion of Iraq and of cors eve wry terrrosit incident blamed upon Muslims just increased Sense of division. Not forgetting special powers to arrest and detain suspects and parents, the abuse at Abu Gahriab, Bagram and Guantanamo. (caged prisoners). You should also study the timelines!