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natural gas rich Qatar invests 15 billion USD to Turkey to help Turkey

China donated F-6 (MiG-19) in the 1971 war.
Yes, but that contribution was only minimal compared to the embargo we suffered from the west because most of our fleet consisted of American and European equipment. The manpower still Pakistani.

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All this arguing is useless. In reality it is a dog eat dog world and all nations look out for their own interests which is the reality of our world.
 
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Gulfies upset again. Because there is still some country that can act against their masters..... well...let's not say Gulfies anymore because of Qatar....Let's say "honorless gulfies".

Qatar is the biggest client state of the US in the region, only because they regionally side with Turkey doesn't make them any different. Turkey doesn't threaten US interest on a global scale, only on a regional scale. Qatar sides with US interest above that.

As for honor/honorless, it's a matter of perspective. Lately I see all the Turkish statements of being the anti-US bastion whilst it has been a pro-US state for decades, including serving as an US airbase in the region even against Saddam in the 1991 Gulf war and throughout the 90's who was truly the one resisting America whilst the honorless Turkey as per your logic was against him. Your ethnocentrism is kicking in if you actually differentiate between Qatar and the UAE (Both hosting American airbases), being honorless depends on who sides with Turkey? Turkey is not the center of the world, it's just another country.

This is hypocricy and illogical.

And indeed Erdogan has been hostile against Arabs all along, what does being 'hostile to Arabs' encompass? If you think giving candy to some Syrian refugees whom have become refugees largely due to the Erdogan Ottoman project is being friendly then you're deluded. Erdogan borders 2 Arab states, both of which he has treated hostile since his rule. Working with Barzani to undermine Iraq, attempting to work with Nujaifi to undermine Iraq even further, sounds like clear hostility to me.

Qatar belongs to a historical region called Arabia, it is no different. There however is a difference between Arabia and Mesopotamia, Persia and the Levant. These historical regions existed before the British, before the Ottoman and way before the Islamic and Persian empires as well. However, Kuwait and Qatar have no place in that and should return part of the greater state they belong to.

Same with Kuwait, these claims are far different from Turkey's pre 1920 claim to Mosul vilayet which was and still is largely inhabited by non-Turks (Arabs) from a region called Mesopotamia which is distinct from Anatolia. History of these people goes way before the Ottoman times as do their cultural and linguistic traits which match with pre-Islamic civilisations that covered this historical region in this example.
 
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Qatar is the biggest client state of the US in the region, only because they regionally side with Turkey doesn't make them any different. Turkey doesn't threaten US interest on a global scale, only on a regional scale. Qatar sides with US interest above that.

As for honor/honorless, it's a matter of perspective. Lately I see all the Turkish statements of being the anti-US bastion whilst it has been a pro-US state for decades, including serving as an US airbase in the region even against Saddam in the 1991 Gulf war and throughout the 90's who was truly the one resisting America whilst the honorless Turkey as per your logic was against him. Your ethnocentrism is kicking in if you actually differentiate between Qatar and the UAE (Both hosting American airbases), being honorless depends on who sides with Turkey? Turkey is not the center of the world, it's just another country.

This is hypocricy and illogical.

Let us not even mention Israel (to shatter the dreams of the dreamers here on PDF who somehow believe that Turkey is some "Islamic Jihadi bastion") or Kurds outside of the Turkish borders. The Kurdish mafia state (Barzanistan) was surviving (mainly) due to which country and person (ruler) again? That is right, Erdogan. The same ruler began supporting anti-government Kurds in Syria in the first years of the conflict before the likes of YPG and others gained most of the power.

If people who openly claimed that they had no problems with Arabs, are such turncoats, is that not the best prove of such people being unreliable "allies".

Doing "Islamic deeds" = Supporting Erdogan.

Being critical of Erdogan's policies in the mentioned Arab states and Erdogan's and Qatar's well-proven (without any doubt, just take a look at the anti-Egyptian channels that operate out of Turkey or all the wanted MB terrorists that Turkey is hosting) MB-project (which luckily for Arabs failed in every Arab state yet was not bloodless) = haram. Illegal. LOL.

Qatar, as I wrote, the most pro-Western and pro-Israeli regional country (combined) suddenly has much "honor". As I wrote earlier, the Turks here who are praising Qatar, will curse them tomorrow morning if they change their tune.

What kind of relationship is that anyway? Deep rooted relations between people in national states are rooted in history, language, culture, geography, ancestral ties (that have often been developed over millennia) not some recent relationship that is all about the MB project.

I don't know how people in a supposedly democratic state (although Turkey has dumped down on those ratings heavily and is not too different from several Arab countries, in fact the likes of Tunisia score much higher ratings on this front), who claim to be such nationalists, have elected this Erdogan (a person with no educational credentials) time and time again and who blindly follow him even if he is helping destroy their foreign policy, relations with numerous countries (Turkey had no problems with before) and in part their economy and economic foundations.

Arabs are disappointed, after especially KSA and other GCC states, invested in Turkey, and never thought that Erdogan would conspire against them with the MB project, and because there is no reason (objectively speaking) for Arabs to have hostile ties with Turkey or vice versa when such ties should be all about economic relations mostly. Turkey is not going to rule any part of the Arab world. Arabs are not going to accept their imaginary rule. They have no capability to do such a thing either (wage war against Arabs) as they would loose badly. Arabs won't adopt Turkish culture and language (never did). List is long. Arabs don't need Turkey for anything. If just Iraq stopped buying Turkish goods, their economy would be hit very hard. They need Arabs more than we need them.

Think about all the billions of dollars that the Al-Thani regime has put into all sectors in Turkey. They don't talk much about this (Turkish users) but many of those investments in the military sector are backed by Qatar. They think that Qatar will gain nothing from this. They are wrong. And not to disappoint such people, but it's a question of time not if or when, Qatar returns to the fold.
 
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Let us not even mention Israel (to shatter the dreams of the dreamers here on PDF who somehow believe that Turkey is some "Islamic Jihadi bastion") or Kurds outside of the Turkish borders. The Kurdish mafia state (Barzanistan) was surviving (mainly) due to which country and person (ruler) again? That is right, Erdogan. Why ruler began supporting anti-government Kurds in Syria in the first years of the conflict before the likes of YPG and others gained most of the power?

If people who openly claimed that they had no problems with Arabs, are such turncoats, is that not the best prove of such people being unreliable "allies".

Doing "Islamic deeds" = Supporting Erdogan.

Being critical of Erdogan's policies in the mentioned Arab states and Erdogan's and Qatar's well-proven (without any doubt, just take a look at the anti-Egyptian channels that operate out of Turkey or all the wanted MB terrorists that Turkey is hosting) MB-project (which luckily for Arabs failed in every Arab state yet was not bloodless) = haram. Illegal. LOL.

Qatar, as I wrote, the most pro-Western and pro-Israeli regional country (combined) suddenly has much "honor". As I wrote earlier, the Turks here who are praising Qatar, will curse them tomorrow morning if they change their tune.

What kind of relationship is that anyway? Deep rooted relations between people in national states are rooted in history, language, culture, geography, ancestral ties (that have often been developed over millennia) not some recent relationship that is all about the MB project.

I don't know how people in a supposedly democratic state (although Turkey has dumped down on those ratings heavily and is not too different from several Arab countries, in fact the likes of Tunisia score much higher ratings on this front), who claim to be such nationalists, have elected this Erdogan (a person with no educational credentials) time and time again and who blindly follow him even if he is helping destroy their foreign policy, relations with numerous countries (Turkey had no problems with before) and in part their economy and economic foundations.

The problem with Erdogan is that his mind operates on this mechanism of honor and shame and his followers seems to have adopted that as we see them speak of honorless. However honor and shame is largely linked to the image one portrayes which is exactly what Erdogan does. In reality however he's doing all of that on the cost of other Muslim/Arab states in the region whom infact are anti-US bastions such as Syria of Assad and Iraq. Not to say they're not waiting to be ruled by America, let alone Turkey or Iran which both are seen as hostile. This is another thing IRI fails to understand continiously taking credit for battles done by others, even the one of forcing the US out.

Honor and shame societies have also been researched by sociologists themselves, under the roof there's a level of hypocricy and lies that is unimaginable, which is what Erdo is all about.
 
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The result was a total failure with Pakistan losing East Pakistan and Kashmir, Thanks Allah India decided to stop by itself and didn't continue advancing and annexing more lands, or else we would have seen Islamabad under its control.
Tell us why is Pakistan selling out big portion of the people lands to China?
It seems to me that you even don't feel safe with all the nuclear bombs you already have, on the top of that, you invited the communist atheist Chinese and sold them out lands to grant you some sort of an outsider protection.

How is this allowed to be posted on this forum?

I want everyone to know that this is not the normal views of all Arabs, but a significant portion of the nationalist and secular type of Arabs believe this BS. Unfortunately, they dominate the foreign policies today of KSA, UAE, and their puppets like Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan, etc.

After Indians, our biggest enemies as Pakistanis are the traitors and sell-outs in the Muslim world. We have to deal with these modern day Bani T.E. Lawrence eventually.

Erdogan has been hostile against Arabs all along

BS. This man has done more for Arabs than any Arab leader. You think hosting 3-4 million Syrians is cheap?
 
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How is this allowed to be posted on this forum?

I want everyone to know that this is not the normal views of all Arabs, but a significant portion of the nationalist and secular type of Arabs believe this BS. Unfortunately, they dominate the foreign policies today of KSA, UAE, and their puppets like Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan, etc.

After Indians, our biggest enemies as Pakistanis are the traitors and sell-outs in the Muslim world. We have to deal with these modern day Bani T.E. Lawrence.

Yes, we need Bangladeshi and Pakistani Ummah Muslims to come and tell us what the right way is. Apart from the old generation, the youth are all secular and nationalistic.

BS. This man has done more for Arabs than any Arab leader. You think hosting 3-4 million Syrians is cheap?

He caused the 3-4 million Syrian refugees as he flooded Syria with arms, money to organize the FSA etc. Infact, Erdogan was being America's bitch in 2011 doing whatever they wanted in Syria. The result of his investment? PKK state south of him.

Is that doing a lot for Arabs? I can steal your house and build you a tent, I did a lot for you. Logic? Arabs don't need him we've got enough money and capability, the issue is that Iraq and Syria have been struck by wars which Erdogan looks to exploit for his Ottoman interests.
 
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BS. This man has done more for Arabs than any Arab leader. You think hosting 3-4 million Syrians is cheap?

We get it. Erdogan is obsessed about Arabs. Even his wife is an Turkish Arab. The guy supposedly speaks Arabic as well. You know where he will retire when he leaves power or is removed? My best guess is Doha.

Why don't you ask yourself who the biggest facilitator of the anti-Assad project was if not Turkey next door? Do you think that Turkey does not benefit economically from those 3-4 million Syrians? Why do you believe that a economically responsible state like Germany voluntarily welcomed 1 million Syrians despite much local opposition?

What has Erdogan done the is positive for Egypt if not conspire against it and fund terrorists? Or in Iraq (being the biggest supporter of the Barzanistan mafia that damaged Baghdad much since 2003 and even before)? Syria I already answered.

As for other Arab states, Libya can be mentioned too. Along with Qatar btw. Gaddafi, before he died, specifically talked about Qatar selling him out and also had harsh words for Turkey.

In fact, you know what? Gaddafi was once allied with Doha. There are secret takes of Gaddafi and the former emir of Qatar talking about dividing KSA and supporting unrest. It's all out there on tape.

Your beloved Qatar has done nothing but conspire against Arab states. Their terrorist channel (Al-Jazeera Arabic) is openly promoting terror against Arab states. 24/7. If this happened against Pakistan, you would be shouting about it 24/7.

KSA has suffered tremendously from the MB cancer. I did not speak about this openly on PDF not to hurt the political views of fellow Arabs here (when there were more of them on PDF) and not to create too many discussions but the truth is that KSA's society was poisoned by MB exiled Syrians and Egyptians who were hosted by King Faisal during the Cold War. Those cretins infiltrated all parts of Saudi Arabian society, got positions at universities, Islamic schools, became teachers etc. They mixed Hanbalism (already conservative but not pro-terror) with pro-terror ideologies such as Qutbism which is the official ideology of Islamist Jihadists and major MB political figures and clerics.

90% of all the retarded clerics in KSA were pro-MB and pro-Qatar. Most of them are behind bars now. That is why the retardation stopped.

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All trash by large. The Twitter account is run by Qatar. They are defending their trash.
 
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he flooded Syria with arms, money to organize the FSA etc.

What were KSA and UAE doing during that time?

Yes, we need Bangladeshi and Pakistani Ummah Muslims to come and tell us what the right way is. Apart from the old generation, the youth are all secular and nationalistic.

When did I mention Bangladesh?

Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan will eventually have to deal with the mess Arab nationalists and Israel, under US supervision, created in the Muslim world.
 
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What were KSA and UAE doing during that time?



When did I mention Bangladesh?

Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan will eventually have to deal with the mess Arab nationalists and Israel, under US supervision, created in the Muslim world.

Turkey and Iran are creating the mess in the Muslim world. Pakistan doesn't clean anything in the middle east, doesn't do anything in the middle east either and is preoccupied with countering India.
 
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Turkey and Iran are creating the mess in the Muslim world. Pakistan doesn't clean anything in the middle east, doesn't do anything in the middle east either and is preoccupied with countering India.

Turkey and Iran will have to sort out war-torn Iraq and Syria.

Pakistan will be instrumental in bringing peace in Yemen (esp between KSA and Iran), and important when KSA runs out of oil and is abandoned by the US.

Pakistan is not the same nation which it once was, but we are recovering our leadership role in the world.

Arab nationalists can spend their whole life deceiving themselves that they are not part of the Muslim world, but you should know that we are all intertwined.

In the End, Israel will not differentiate between Arab or Non-Arab Muslim. This is our real enemy.
 
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What were KSA and UAE doing during that time?



When did I mention Bangladesh?

Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan will eventually have to deal with the mess Arab nationalists and Israel, under US supervision, created in the Muslim world.

You don't understand a simple thing here.

KSA and UAE do not support the removal of other Arab regimes unless they are outright hostile. KSA and UAE are not supporting Islamists (contrary to popular belief, in the case of KSA this ended after the USSR-Afghan war that KSA was forced to participate in, along with Pakistan, by the same US) as there is not a single terrorist, Jihadi organization or extremist organization that is pro-Arab regimes. Their biggest target (if KSA was a weak state) would be no other than KSA as proven between 2003-2006 (especially) and long before 9/11.

KSA's clergy was and is dominated by Hanbali scholars mainly from Najd. This is indeed a conservative school of thought but it is not a school of thought that calls for the murder of Westerners, attacking non-Muslims etc. Some schools of Islam were looked at unfavorably but every Muslim school does that. You think that conservative Mullah's in Qom look at Hanbalism favorably or Sunni Islam?

As I told you, KSA became infiltrated by the MB in the 1970's during King Faisal.

KSA had cordial ties with Syria pre-2011 contrary to popular belief as well. KSA's turned against Al-Assad when he started murdering/killing protestors on a large scale and began to commit other mistakes that made it incredibly hard (especially considering the opinion of the population, the regional conflict) etc. to support him in public. Yet KSA (there is zero evidence even from Western intelligence) never supported radical groups. It was mostly FSA. To this day KSA's men in Syria are among Syrian nationalists mainly base in the South and East.

KSA involvement in Syria ended back in 2014. Since 2015 the focus had been Yemen.

KSA post 1979, became a hostage of Mullah policies and our Mullahs were given free license to answer Shia Islamism with Sunni Islamism. This created much poison not only for locals but foreigners alike too.

The only reason why KSA was even hostile against Al-Assad to begin with is due to that regimes close ties with the Iranian Mullah's and their proxy group (Hezbollah) that is openly hostile too. Since Russia entered the scene in Syria (a guarantor of no Mullah project succeeding in Syria) involvement calmed down.

Blaming everything on KSA is not going to work.

You are talking as if those 3 countries are on the same page. They are not and have never been. Iran and Turkey are historical enemies and rivals. Been like that always. They are only finding common grounds of late due to the US (Trump) acting against Turkish moves in Syria and economic warfare. Pakistan and Iran have no deep or meaningful relations either. Neither militarily nor economically. The border region of those countries is isolated and 1000+ km away from the Iranian heartland which is in the West and which explains why Iran and Iranians have always looked westward, which explains their obsession about Arabs while never uttering a word about their supposed brothers in small Tajikistan or half of Afghanistan (Tajiks there).

@OutOfAmmo

Turkey and Iran will have to sort out war-torn Iraq and Syria.

Pakistan will be instrumental in bringing peace in Yemen (esp between KSA and Iran), and important when KSA runs out of oil and is abandoned by the US.

Pakistan is not the same nation which it once was, but we are recovering our leadership role in the world.

Arab nationalists can spend their whole life deceiving themselves that they are not part of the Muslim world, but you should know that we are all intertwined.

In the End, Israel will not differentiate between Arab or Non-Arab Muslim. This is our real enemy.

KSA is the third richest country on the planet when it comes to resources as a whole (minerals included). Only 4 times bigger US is richer (they have a 10 times larger population) and 6.5 times larger Russia (4.5 times larger population).
KSA has the biggest potential for solar and wind (renewables) in the entire developing and Muslim world due to size and solar insolation. Largest sovereign wealth fund by far in the Muslim world. Largest trade surplus along with China and a few other countries of the world. Growth every year. Growing population. Non-oil/gas sector booming (growing 3 times as quickly as the economy as a whole). One of the youngest populations in the world. This is not going to happen.

Although I know that you would love for KSA to burn down and millions of Saudi Arabians being killed (the same people that have welcomed more Pakistanis than any other people and done no harm to you other than a few cases of mistreatment) due to state policies than locals have no power over or very little at least. Despite the Saudi Arabian government, helping Pakistan, arguably more, than any other country. Maybe China will surpass this (hopefully) but whether their projects will succeed, we will see.

That is your "Islam" and "unity". I noticed it from day one which is why I have not had much positive to say about your posts here or agenda.

You are confusing criticism aimed at certain Muslim rulers as if Arab nationalists are somehow against Muslims or hate non-Arab Muslims, lol. But yes, we defend Arab interests and look at them first and foremost (because that is what most Arabs do and not only Arabs but most sane people). Not some imaginary "online brotherhood" that has been exposed for what it is time and time again. Ending it here. Not much more to say in this thread.
 
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Reis Erdo'an started his carrier selling lemons at the street corner while being in elementary school to support his family...

Great men are the products of troubled childhoods.....
Just like Imdia's Modi!

3+ million Syrians in Turkey would not agree with you.

The Turk economy like others with strong and weak points is not perfect, but made a bold difference between oil-milked ones in every field that modern world measures. That is also the reason why Syrians along with others flock into Turkey.

The Turks exist and survive for millenniums, nothing changes today.
Those 3+ million Syrians had no other choice but to flrrto the closesed country, it is a matter pf war of geography, not economics ..BTW Turkish economy was build and boosted in the 80s taking advantage of a war between 2 Muslim countries, namely the Iran-Iraq war, so it is fairly recent and thus fragile..

Turkey and Iran will have to sort out war-torn Iraq and Syria.

Pakistan will be instrumental in bringing peace in Yemen (esp between KSA and Iran), and important when KSA runs out of oil and is abandoned by the US.

Pakistan is not the same nation which it once was, but we are recovering our leadership role in the world.

Arab nationalists can spend their whole life deceiving themselves that they are not part of the Muslim world, but you should know that we are all intertwined.

In the End, Israel will not differentiate between Arab or Non-Arab Muslim. This is our real enemy.
You come up with rather some good thoughts, but seem a bit confused when it comes to KSA and Oil..Oil and its derivatives still have centuries to go not decades, and even wothout Oil, just the solar project of 200 GW in KSA can replace the Oil revenue in the future, not even mentioning other important non-Oil sectors..Not only you, but many here on PDF criticise KSA mainly because of its Wealth..and that is wrong..

Pakistan can not do much in Yemen or elsewhere to solve the issues between KSA and Iran, it is a bit bigger than that, this concerns all the Arab and Muslim countries where Iran's sectarian ideological expansionist policies are not tolerated or accepted..spanning from North Africa to Asia.. Pakistan Khows this.. that is why it is staying neutral somehow..

Turkey and iranhave not much say on Iraq and Syria my friend, you should be talking about the US an Russia instead .. Iraq is almost out of this now, but, bith Iran and Turkey seem irrelevent in sorting out the war in Syria, only Rusia and the US to some extent seem relevant to this sorting out..
 
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I can post numerous Americans who live in KSA that have not only embraced the language and culture but who promote KSA actively in Arabic and English on Twitter.

You Pakistanis went berserk because of this Polish girl who spoke favoritely of the country (this is a great thing and I support this) and even was invented on national TV? You do know that we have had 1000's of such Westerners do the same with KSA?

Lol that’s because it’s so rare that’s why it made national coverage. They get 1000 or so foreign non-pakistani tourists a year so of course they are going to go ballistic over those few.
 
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Makes sense since they both back Islamists like Houthis.

Your KSA, UAE and zionazi buddies in israel back Daesh and Qaeda.


They can still take Qatar there's no large obstacle, the Donald would probably cheer for that

But for some strange reasons they are not doing it, they are just barking and backstabbing.
 
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