natural gas rich Qatar invests 15 billion USD to Turkey to help Turkey

[PakSword]

Mister, that earns his living in an Arab country and lives there

That's a better sentence.. I earn my living.. and I am proud of it..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

We gained 1/3rd Kashmir on our own.. not lost it.. Get your facts right..


Because they are more educated, give respect and earn respect in return.. Anyway, most of the Saudis also do that, they are humble selves.. but there are many in KSA, who think like you, and look down on others.. and that's the reason that despite having so much wealth, you couldn't even pressurize US to pass a small resolution against Israel ever..

The only one who had some balls was King Faisal.. and I respect him a lot..

I am proud to say that I look down upon those who hate or dislike Arabs. You know what? Because I have honor and as you know Arabs take honor seriously. Not like most people online who just say it for the sake of it. You might have not seen it in a very modern and urban society like UAE where locals are outnumbered and they often tend to stay for themselves or with other Arabs, but when you visit KSA or encounter Saudi Arabians, you will understand that you can encounter some of your most trusted friends but also some of your most vengeful and hateful enemies. That is how we are.

You keep saying "more educated" while this is a absurd lie. How many times are you going to parrot this lie?

I am quoting the magazine Nature (I am sure you know about their reputation).

Saudi Arabia is already the scientific leader of the Arab world, but it is not standing still. Through investment in research and education — and a new focus on maximizing the commercial value of its academic prowess — the country is beating a path to reducing its reliance on oil.

Nature Index | Published: 27 September 2017

Leader of the pack
Nature volume 549, pages S62–S63 (28 September 2017) | Download Citation

This article has been updated

Saudi Arabia leads the way in scientific research in the Arab world, but its position at the top of the pile is reliant on relatively few institutions. By Richard Hodson, infographic by Mohamed Ashour. Data analysis by Aaron Ballagh and Alexander Scherrmann.

Arabian powerhouse

Saudi Arabia is ranked just outside the top 30 nations for high-quality research, 19 places higher than its closest competitor in the Arab world, the United Arab Emirates (a). It maintained its lead over its Arab neighbours in 2016, though Qatar jumped 9 places up the global rankings last year, making it the fastest climber at the top of Arabian research. Despite these gains on the global leaderboard, however, the gulf between Saudi Arabia and its Arab neighbours in terms of the country's contribution to high-quality research remains extremely large (b).

Image: Source: Nature Index

Subject strength

Chemistry is Saudi Arabia's forte, and the main driver of its rise up the Nature Index rankings since 2012. But the physical sciences, a distant second for the past two years, narrowed to gap in 2016. Despite AC remaining relatively unchanged, WFC increased in 2016. This shows that Saudi Arabian authors made a greater contribution to the physical science papers they published than in 2015. A similar change was also seen in chemistry and the life sciences last year.

Image: Source: Nature Index

Research spending

Saudi Arabia ranks 44th in the world for gross domestic expenditure on R&D (GERD) as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP), based on the latest available data (2013). The United Arab Emirates invests a similar proportion of its GDP in research.

Image: Sources: UNESCO, Web of Science

In the money

A sharp increase in R&D funding in Saudi Arabia in 2010 was matched by an upswing in the quantity of Saudi research. The level of funding is, however, well below the OECD average of 2.4%.

Image: Sources: UNESCO, Web of Science

Investment areas

The natural sciences attract the most funding in Saudi Arabia, and make up the bulk of research publications. The quantity of research produced in engineering and in the health sciences is closer than spending on the two fields might suggest.

Image: Sources: UNESCO, Web of Science (2013)

Who's driving Saudi research?

Image: Source: Nature Index

The big six

Just six institutions account for 95% of Saudi Arabian research, according to WFC (2016).

Image: Source: Nature Index

There's more to research excellence than just quantity of papers. Larger institutions naturally produce more papers than smaller ones. Adjusting for the size advantage (based on an institution's total output of natural science articles in the Web of Science), government body KACST has the highest number of high-quality articles in Index-tracked journals. However, by WFC — which takes into account an institution's contribution to multi-authored papers — KAUST is the clear leader.

Image: Source: Nature Index, Web of Science

Image: Source: Nature Index, Web of Science

In 2016, KAUST was the principal source of high-quality research by WFC not just in Saudi Arabia, but the entire Arab world. Its researchers account for nearly half the region's WFC.

https://www.nature.com/articles/549S62a

Nature Index | Published: 27 September 2017

Drilling for excellence

• Richard Hodson

Nature volume 549, page S61 (28 September 2017) | Download Citation

By a considerable margin, Saudi Arabia is the scientific leader of the Arab world. It ranks just outside the world's top 30 nations for its contribution to high-quality research published in journals monitored by the Nature Index, 19 places higher than the closest Arab states — though even that belies the true scale of the lead it holds (see page S62).

The King Abdullah financial district in Riyadh is a new development in line with the kingdom's plans to change its economic structure. Image: Ali Al Mubarak/Arabianeye/Getty Images

This has not always been the case. An upsurge in funding for research and development came as recently as 2010, and the quantity of research produced within the country has followed a similarly steep trajectory. But the oil money that has supported this rise over the last decade can no longer be relied upon. The price per barrel has tumbled since 2014, leaving Saudi Arabia with a budget deficit of nearly US$100 billion in 2015.

The Saudi government is looking to its academic sector to supplement the economy and reduce reliance on oil. Universities are being encouraged to exploit commercial value in their research, with specific targets around patenting and start-up companies laid out in the country's science strategy. They do not, however, operate in a vacuum: the culture outside these institutions' walls must also change if the policy is to be successful (page S75).

Saudi leaders are also taking steps to prepare the human resources required in a scientifically-driven economy. Large numbers of Saudi students choose to study abroad, particularly in the United States. But the expensive, government-funded scholarship programme that enables this is vulnerable to the same falling oil revenues that gave it purpose in the first place. To survive, the scholarship programme must find ways to prove its value to the kingdom (page S64).

It will be these young people, with ideas and values that may challenge Saudi Arabia's entrenched conservatism, who must spearhead the country's science-powered economic transformation. At present, the country's young graduates are not fulfilling their potential — unemployment amongst this group is high, particularly for female graduates. The Nature Index sought out some of the women who have thrived in their science careers in the kingdom (page S70). Saudi Arabia is a country challenging itself to change from the top-down and the bottom-up all at once, and its neighbours and the wider international community will be following its future closely.

https://www.nature.com/articles/549S61a

Nature Index | Published: 27 April 2016

Oiling the wheels on a road to success

• Pakinam Amer

Nature volume 532, pages S13–S15 (28 April 2016) | Download Citation

With the benefit of a sustainable plan and the funds to back it, Saudi Arabia is aiming high.

Saudi Arabia's scientific development may be in its infancy, but the oil-rich Kingdom is making strides in terms of research investment and publication — with a clear ambition to one day join those in the highest echelons.

KAUST students embark on a new school year with a commencement ceremony. The relatively new university has quickly made an impact on the Nature Index. Image: KAUST

In 2012, Saudi Arabia had a weighted fractional count (WFC) of 52.84 in the index, sitting behind Turkey, Iran, Mexico, Chile and South Africa. In four years it rose 86.8% to reach a WFC of 98.67, leapfrogging all these countries to compete with Chile and Argentina globally. Saudi Arabia ranks at number 31 in the world in terms of WFC — up from 39 in 2012.

The country has risen even higher in specific subject areas. In chemistry, for example, it has surpassed countries with a strong scientific impact like Finland and Ireland, with its WFC rising to 66.54, achieving almost a three-fold increase from its position in 2012.

Institutionally, the country's leading science hub King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) made an impressive leap in its WFC between 2012 and 2015, carving a place for itself to compete with American and European research powerhouses.

In just four years, its WFC has risen to become higher than those of prestigious institutions including the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), Brookhaven National Laboratory (BNL), the University of Georgia, United States, and Dresden University of Technology, Germany, to name a few. The output of all of these institutions dwarfed KAUST's in 2012, but KAUST's impressive trajectory since then has seen its WFC shoot to 72 in 2015, overtaking these heavy-hitters.

The country's science development ambitions have been backed by action. Since 2008, the country has embarked on a multi-tiered strategy that will see the Kingdom overhaul its science infrastructure, build high-spec labs, secure grants for research in priority areas in applied science, and link science to industries that drive the economy.

The strategy, broken into four stages to be implemented by 2030, aims to eventually “see Saudi Arabia become a leader in Asia and give it an economic power based on science,” says Abdulaziz Al-Swailem, vice president of scientific research support at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST).

The Saudi Human Genome Project will sequence 100,000 human genomes to conduct biomedical research in the Saudi population. Image: Fayez Nureldine/AFP/Getty Images

Saudi Arabia's march to the top Saudi Arabia's efforts to boost its scientific research have been paying off, with its output in the Nature Index (WFC) rising steadily over the years. The two graphs below highlight Saudi Arabia's rise compared to other nations, both overall and for chemistry.

Overall output In 2012 Saudi Arabia's overall output in the index was below all the countries shown, but continuous efforts have seen the Kingdom's WFC rise to overtake them all in 2015.

Chemistry More marked than its overall rise, Saudi Arabia has made great strides in chemistry. After accelerated growth, which saw the Kingdom's chemistry WFC triple since 2012, it has outshone many larger players in the field in 2015.

The Kingdom's science investments focus on applied research that feeds directly into the country's industrial interests, particularly the oil and energy sector. But even in its strong subjects, chemistry and the physical sciences, Saudi Arabia's WFC remains modest compared to big players in Asia like China, Japan and South Korea.

“Saudi Arabia could look to some successful emerging economies for inspiration.”

To truly swim comfortably with these bigger fish, Saudi Arabia may benefit from looking at successful emerging economies in Asia.

One inspiration could be India. In addition to multi-disciplinary scientific and technical advancements that have improved its output in the index from 736.5 to 901.4 in the past four years, the subcontinental giant has joined the exclusive club of countries that have launched successful space missions.

Like Saudi Arabia, India's leading research institutes focus on chemistry, and their total output currently outstrips their Saudi Arabian counterparts by almost a factor of seven (the latter surpassing 472 in 2015, while the former is 66.5).

India's prowess in chemistry is something that Saudi Arabia can aspire to, considering that working conditions for researchers in the Kingdom are more conducive.

India's science ecosystem is far from perfect. Research funding cannot keep up with inflation and a general slowdown in the country's economy. In addition, commentators from the research community say the funding processes are lengthy, bureaucratic, and provide little feedback when applications for grants are turned down. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's healthy stream of oil revenue provides assured funding for the country's state-of-the-art research facilities.

While India has slightly increased spending and dedicated US$1.19 billion for the next fiscal year (2016–2017) for science, it has around 700 universities and 200,000 full-time researchers drawing on the same funding pot. By contrast, Saudi Arabia has pledged an education and training budget of US$50.9 billion for next year, which includes higher education and scientific research. With a total population of just 30 million, it has a much lower number of full-time researchers competing for the available resources.

Another impressive trajectory that Saudi Arabia might look to emulate is that of Singapore, which has a smaller population as well and has managed to climb high in the index. Like the Kingdom, Singapore also has a focus on chemistry research, and it has put together a similar top-down national science strategy for research institutes across the country. Both countries have strong collaborations with top universities around the world and are welcoming of foreign researchers in their efforts to drive innovation.

Mansour Alghamdi, director of the general directorate of scientific awareness and publishing at KACST, is optimistic that Saudi Arabia can bridge the large gap that currently exists in the volume of scientific output between it and such countries as India and Singapore.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a clear plan to do so and it has the resources,” he says.

Future growth

An internationally rising star This graph shows KAUST's rise compared to a selection of other institutions*. *Institutions shown are those that were furthest above KAUST in 2012, have experienced overall growth in WFC by 2015 and have been overtaken by KAUST in 2015. For clarity, only 2012 and 2015 data points are shown.

In 2012, Saudi's ranking in research output, with a WFC of 52.8, meant it was comparable with countries like South Africa, Turkey and Iran, all hovering around the 60–70 mark. Its WFC stood way below countries like Mexico, Hungary, Chile, Greece and Argentina.

Saudi Arabian researchers benefit from cutting-edge labs and generous funding that has boosted the country's R&D. Image: Top: KACST; Bottom: KAUST

Four years later, the country's research outlook is very different and it is surpassing countries like Argentina, Mexico and Hungary in the index, and levelling the playing field with Chile. Chemistry research led the country's rapid rise to surpass these countries, but its life sciences and physical sciences WFCs of 8.5 and 31.5 still lag behind.

However, the Kingdom's AC has been steadily growing in these two fields over the past four years, hinting at the ever-increasing significance of international collaborations. It seems that Saudi Arabian researchers are casting their nets ever wider and are participating in publishing more articles, to the detriment of the WFC accredited for these articles.

Though international collaboration has proved fruitful, Saudi Arabia must keep a focus on nurturing home-grown talent, says Nasser Al-Aqeeli, dean of research at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals (KFUPM), based in Dhahran's 'techno valley' in the eastern region of the Kingdom. In the next five years, he says, the country will focus on a programme for national capacity building.

A good first step was the Saudi government's decision to create a large scholarship programme in 2005, arguably the largest in the world, which has seen more than 200,000 young Saudi Arabians studying abroad. This makes Saudi Arabian students in the United States the fourth largest bloc of expatriate students, following those of China, India and South Korea. The government hopes these students will come back and drive a scientific culture in the country.

“Its rise up the ranks depends on a 'self-correcting mechanism' of a slow start to sustainable growth.”

Saudi Arabia is also looking to increase its applied research focus, which is an integral part of the current phase of its national science strategy, while securing good funding for basic research as well. Al-Aqeeli says that Saudi's journey involves what he termed a “self-correcting mechanism” where the country is having a slow start in high-impact research, but a more sustainable one. An eventual future move towards basic research might help Saudi Arabia's research capacity to mature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/532S13a

And just last month we reached top 29. Meaning we are among the 15% best performing nations out of almost 200. Great stuff and we are just at the early beginning relatively speaking.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1028348875264933888

That's a better sentence.. I earn my living.. and I am proud of it..

I never said anything else. It was always your fantasy. I welcome anyone who wants to contribute regardless of his race, ethnicity, religion, skin color etc. I will befriend him without a question if he respects me as an Arab and our lands and culture.

And you know what? Some of the most friendly expats that I have ever encountered in KSA or elsewhere in the region have been people like your average American or Filipino. People who even bothered learning Arabic and integrated into the society and were accepted as equal and even took parts in weddings, hunting trips and personal gatherings.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Some people think that since they are born in a country which currently holds Harmain, everyone should respect them..

This is because some uneducated Non-Arab Muslims inflate their egos, and some nationalistic Arabs only read Arab social media which further inflates the same egos.

I have lived among Arabs for a long time, and turns out some of them appropriate and lie about their culture. Much of their dress, food, sweets, and culture is outright stolen from the Ottoman Empire.

Arabs always told me baklava is from them, but I recently discovered the very word baklava is Turkish 'for piling, layering on.' It was popularized during Ottoman times in the Topkapı Palace. There are numerous other examples like stealing Persian scientists Ibn Sina, Al-Farabi, etc.

The secret of success is to work hard and be humble. Pakistan will surpass all these countries, just like Turkey has done, because we are thinking about our people and wider Muslims.

 

[PakSword]

When Saudi Arabian soldiers were training with Italian soldiers 80 years ago during the Mussolini era where were "Pakistanis pilots or soldiers"? Nowhere to be seen as the country did not even exist.

See we even earned our country, through sacrifices..

Will you come out of your past ever, I mean pre oil era?

What have you done despite having so much wealth after that? you were training soldiers 80 years back and required help to defeat some insurgents from Haram in 1979?

Don't make fun of yourself.. understand what I am saying.. you guys should have been light years ahead.. US gives several billion dollars to help Israel , you guys had at least 10 times more income than the US aid towards Israel, but on the contrary, Israel is literally light years ahead than you..

because we are thinking about our people and wider Muslims.

This is the key.. but sometimes I think why should we care and be part of any Arab alliance when they don't respect us and look down upon us?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This is because some uneducated Non-Arab Muslims inflate their egos, and some nationalistic Arabs only read Arab social media which further inflates the same egos.

I have lived among Arabs for a long time, and turns out some of them appropriate and lie about their culture. Much of their dress, food, sweets, and culture is outright stolen from the Ottoman Empire.

Arabs always told me baklava is from them, but I recently discovered the very word baklava is Turkish 'for piling, layering on.' It was popularized during Ottoman times in the Topkapı Palace. There are numerous other examples like stealing Persian scientists Ibn Sina, Al-Farabi, etc.

The secret of success is to work hard and be humble. Pakistan will surpass all these countries, just like Turkey has done, because we are thinking about our people and wider Muslims.

A lot of empty and absurd theories when the Ottomans (most of which were Arabs) were many times more influenced by Arabs (it's not even funny) than vice versa. Titles (Caliph and Sultan), the entire system and bureaucracy was built on the previous Arab Caliphates (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid), the language (Ottoman Turkish was more Arabic than Turkish and to this day, despite all those reforms in Turkey under Ataturk, most foreign words are of Arabic origin), the alphabet (Arabic one with 2-3 extra characters), most of the land, cuisine, architecture etc. remained Arab.

Nobody in the Arab world claims baklava when we have kanfeh (Arab dish) that Turks adopted and many other dishes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanafeh

Arabs had the most scientists in the Islamic era so we don't need to claim any non-Arabs but if you want to know it, most of those Persian scientists used Arabic (lingua franca of science back then), were educated in Arab lands and supported by Arabs and often had Arab teachers. Let alone Arabic names and much Arabized.

You are a pathetic liar.

 

[PakSword]

I never said anything else. It was always your fantasy. I welcome anyone who wants to contribute regardless of his race, ethnicity, religion, skin color etc. I will befriend him without a question if he respects me as an Arab and our lands and culture.

Read your comments and feel the disrespect.. telling someone that he is barking etc won't help you..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

See we even earned our country, through sacrifices..

Will you come out of your past ever, I mean pre oil era?

What have you done despite having so much wealth after that? you were training soldiers 80 years back and required help to defeat some insurgents from Haram in 1979?

Don't make fun of yourself.. understand what I am saying.. you guys should have been light years ahead.. US gives several billion dollars to help Israel , you guys had at least 10 times more income than the US aid towards Israel, but on the contrary, Israel is literally light years ahead than you..


This is the key.. but sometimes I think why should we care and be part of any Arab alliance when they don't respect us and look down upon us?

And how do you think that KSA was united while never being a Western colony? Through sacrifices of 1000's of people who worked to unite several closely interconnected ancient regions of what makes up modern-day KSA. Otherwise we would be divided into even more Arab states.

No, I won't. I love history, especially our own and that of the Arab world. I take great pride in our glorious pre-Islamic and Islamic history and I don't believe that history began a few decades ago and even if it did so, KSA is doing rather well TODAY. Better than 85% of all countries of the world. On every field. Scientific output, HDI, GDP per capita, crime rates, infrastructure, happiness, education etc. A lot to improve as well.

You know why that occurred? Because those countries involved had pilgrims there and their safety were at risk.

Who defeated the most dangerous AQAP branch all on their own? We did. Nobody else. We have one of the best counter-terrorism units in the world and intelligence services. That Western countries even admit to.

Read your comments and feel the disrespect.. telling someone that he is barking etc won't help you..

Disrespect is sitting in an Arab country, earning your living there, working under Arab bosses, while writing several nonsense comments about Arabs that are untrue as you also did in this thread.

That is "barking" in my eyes. Speaking about disrespect, read your own posts first.

 

[PakSword]

average American or Filipino. People who even bothered learning Arabic and integrated into the society and were accepted as equal and even took parts in weddings, hunting trips and personal gatherings.

Now this is literally too much.. as if I haven't lived in KSA..

Come out of this American boot licking.. we Pakistanis criticize our own leadership when it bows down in front of US..

You don't even know how Americans make fun of you guys on your back..

By the way, I think the largest foreign population that speaks Arabic comes from Sub Continent..

And how do you think that KSA was united while never being a Western colony? Through sacrifices of 1000's of people who worked to unite several closely interconnected ancient regions of what makes up modern-day KSA. Otherwise we would be divided into even more Arab states.

Britishers never tried seriously to occupied you.. because Arabia wasn't a resourceful country for them at that time.. A desert with mostly nomadic population didn't suit them..

They came to India in the guise of traders (East India Company) and fought hard battles over the period of 100 years in which Muslims had to accept defeat at their hands because there was a large non-Muslim population that also wanted to be freed from under the Muslim rule..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Now this is literally too much.. as if I haven't lived in KSA..

Come out of this American boot licking.. we Pakistanis criticize our own leadership when it bows down in front of US..

You don't even know how Americans make fun of you guys on your back..

By the way, I think the largest foreign population that speaks Arabic comes from Sub Continent..

You are projecting your inferiority complexes. I have no complexes towards Westerners because our history is greater and we even ruled them for 800 years and even (if you want me to say it directly) took them as slaves. From Iceland to Southern Europe.

That they have been the top dogs for 500 years, is what it is.

Just like there are racist Arabs and racist Pakistanis there are racist Americans. What the hell is an American anyway? 40 million Blacks? 3.5 million Arabs? All the mixtures out there?

Yes, and Saudi Arabians never do, lol. Those 15 that took part in 9/11 in particular. Those who killed Americans in KSA like dogs too. We can play that game. KSA would win.

But you know what, that is a primitive thing.

The average American who works in KSA is not your typical redneck but mostly highly educated people who want to move to KSA to also learn the culture.

Now this is literally too much.. as if I haven't lived in KSA..

Come out of this American boot licking.. we Pakistanis criticize our own leadership when it bows down in front of US..

You don't even know how Americans make fun of you guys on your back..

By the way, I think the largest foreign population that speaks Arabic comes from Sub Continent..


Britishers never tried seriously to occupied you.. because Arabia wasn't a resourceful country for them at that time.. A desert with mostly nomadic population didn't suit them..

They came to India in the guise of traders (East India Company) and fought hard battles over the period of 100 years in which Muslims had to accept defeat at their hands because there was a large non-Muslim population that also wanted to be freed from under the Muslim rule..

That's funny when the same Arabia has some of the oldest cities and civilizations on the planet and dominated the very same trade that the Europeans overtook from us 500 years ago after we dominated it for 2000 + years (since the Incense trade).

Yet, everyone else besides us (Arabia as well) where?

As if they would not have loved to conquer Makkah and Madinah (ultimate defeat for Muslims) and tons of other rich and fertile lands of KSA.

You know what? Greeks 2500 years ago tried to conquer Arabia but failed. They tried to conquer "Arabia Felix" (happy Arabia) which was one of the richest areas of the world back then. They called it "Happy Arabia" due to this. They failed. Romans only conquered parts of modern-day Hijaz (Northern). Persians tried to conquer the interior but only managed the Eastern part (small areas overall) and parts of Yemen and Oman as well as Northern KSA.

The Westerners could simply not conquer KSA due to geographically similar to how they never managed to conquer Iran next door and Mongolia. Similar difficult territory. Or Japan.

Most of the population 100 years ago in the Middle East and Muslim world (in fact world) were rural and agricultural. Even in UK that invented the industrial revolution 100 years prior....

 

[PakSword]

Disrespect is sitting in an Arab country, earning your living there, working under Arab bosses, while writing several nonsense comments about Arabs that are untrue as you also did in this thread.

That is "barking" in my eyes. Speaking about disrespect, read your own posts first.

Not speaking against Arabs.. speaking against your type of the guys who make fun of yourselves on an international forum..

Only oil was that thing which lead you to where they are right now.. and that too with foreign help..

And I am not getting free money sitting at home acting as a Kafeel..

That's funny when the same Arabia has some of the oldest cities and civilizations on the planet and dominated the very same trade that the Europeans overtook from us 500 years ago after we dominated it for 2000 + years (since the Incense trade).

Come out of the past.

As if they would not have loved to conquer Makkah and Madinah (ultimate defeat for Muslims) and tons of other rich and fertile lands of KSA.

No they didn't want..

Rich and fertile lands? 200 years back? where?

 

[Arabi]

First of all, it wasn't nuclear at that time.. plus, Pakistan didn't lose.. there was some area captured by us, some by them..

Good thing is that we fought with our own resources.. and in shaa Allah will again fight on own own if necessary.. it is only a 37 country alliance that wants our forces to train their soldiers and lead them.. but we don't even want the help of that 37 country alliance against our enemies.. because we know they are not worth a cent..

The result was a total failure with Pakistan losing East Pakistan and Kashmir, Thanks Allah India decided to stop by itself and didn't continue advancing and annexing more lands, or else we would have seen Islamabad under its control.
Tell us why is Pakistan selling out big portion of the people lands to China?
It seems to me that you even don't feel safe with all the nuclear bombs you already have, on the top of that, you invited the communist atheist Chinese and sold them out lands to grant you some sort of an outsider protection.

 

[PakSword]

The average American who works in KSA is not your typical redneck but mostly highly educated people who want to move to KSA to also learn the culture.

And you don't know how they make fun of you.. you only listen to what they say on your face..

you invited the communist atheist Chinese and sold them out lands to grant you some sort of an outsider protection.

The rest of the comment was not factual.. so I don't want to respond..

Regarding this.. we have not sold the lands to Chinese.. it is called business partnership.. selling is when you give exclusive rights over your oil wells to Americans..

It seems to me that you even don't feel safe with all the nuclear bombs you already have,

But, we are called to lead a Islamic alliance.. don't know why.. who is feeling unsafe despite having so much oil etc.. couldn't even build a decent force..

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The result was a total failure with Pakistan losing East Pakistan and Kashmir, Thanks Allah India decided to stop by itself and didn't continue advancing and annexing more lands, or else we would have seen Islamabad under its control.
Tell us why is Pakistan selling out big portion of the people lands to China?
It seems to me that you even don't feel safe with all the nuclear bombs you already have, on the top of that, you invited the communist atheist Chinese and sold them out lands to grant you some sort of an outsider protection.

And Saudi Arabia buys planes from countries that recognize Israel but not Palestine so what's your point? Saudi Arabia could instead buy from Russia and China which recognize Palestine yet it refuses to do so.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Not speaking against Arabs.. speaking against your type of the guys who make fun of yourselves on an international forum..

Only oil was that thing which lead you to where they are right now.. and that too with foreign help..

And I am not getting free money sitting at home acting as a Kafeel..


Come out of the past.


No they didn't want..

Rich and fertile lands? 200 years back? where?

That is your own invented theory. I don't believe so nor would most patriotic Arabs. If speaking the truth is "embarrassing yourself" then so be it. I am not here to make friends with anonymous users online. I do that in person. I am here to discuss several issues. If this can be done in a civil manner and constructive one, great, if not I think that I will survive and I am more than capable of replying to anything that is thrown at me as proven here for years.

Who cares when we have an pre-Islamic history not matched by anyone else or an Islamic one not matched to anyone else? History did not begin 70 years ago.

And I have news for you. Oil and gas (in the Muslim world) was discovered by foreigners from Iran to Azerbaijan and everywhere else.

Just like the Brits built your infrastructure, military, transport network, bureaucracy, laws etc. You forgot that suddenly? In fact you had a head start ahead of us due to this because we never had such a luxury as we were never a Western colony. It's a luxury because I wish KSA had been a UK colony for 2-3 decades to give us a head start.

You are projecting again. Most of your compatriots are cheap labor as most foreign labor. So don't speak about Kafeel when most Saudi Arabians are educated people and work and earn their own living.

I already told you what my profession is. I don't even live in KSA currently and I have no plans of ever sponsoring a foreigner. My plan is to give most of the jobs to actual locals who must have them.

Why should I come out of the past? Because you say so. As I told you, I will always take pride in our glorious history whether pre-Islamic or Islamic. History did not begin 70 years ago although you probably wish that in the case of Arabs.

BTW as I showed you today, we have a lot to be proud of TODAY. While we speak.

How about KSA having the largest agricultural areas in the region along with Iraq? Almost as much forrest cover as Pakistan. An agricultural sector that feeds much of the GCC that has almost nothing (I am looking at Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE and Qatar here)? How about half of our country that is mountainous and where, with effective modern agricultural methods, KSA could breed feed the entire region?

You know what? Agriculture was invented in modern-day Sham and Northwestern KSA.

Go read this thread that I posted. It's worth the read although it is long.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...radle-of-agriculture-arab-world.532184/page-2

https://twitter.com/x/status/950372836308287488

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Largest single olive tree plantation (Nadec) in the world (3.5 million olive trees) in the same Al-Jouf province. Recognized by Guinness World Records.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1013425264972435459

And you don't know how they make fun of you.. you only listen to what they say on your face..


The rest of the comment was not factual.. so I don't want to respond..

Regarding this.. we have not sold the lands to Chinese.. it is called business partnership.. selling is when you give exclusive rights over your oil wells to Americans..


But, we are called to lead a Islamic alliance.. don't know why.. who is feeling unsafe despite having so much oil etc.. couldn't even build a decent force..

And you don't know what you are blabbering about. As if Arabs don't make fun of Americans 24/7. It's harmless fun. AT the end of the day both parties benefit from each other and as I told you, Arabs have no complexes towards Westerners for the reasons that I mentioned to you. For some that might be hard to understand given their history.

We are top dogs and they do as we tell them. When we say jump, they jump.

Trump ruled USA. How many such tweets do they make about other countries? Yet to see it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1026908372367486977

When their best friends (Canada) are pissed on by KSA, they are silent.

 

[PakSword]

And you don't know what you are blabbering about. As if Arabs don't make fun of Americans 24/7. It's harmless fun. AT the end of the day both parties benefit from each other and as I told you, Arabs have no complexes towards Westerners for the reasons that I mentioned to you. For some that might be hard to understand given their history.

Only if I tell you what they usually say..

Anyway, I am leaving.. you continue boasting about your history, wealth, great scientific achievements, your wars with Israel FOR FUN.. etc.. I have to read Qur'an which I haven't because of this useless talk..