natural gas rich Qatar invests 15 billion USD to Turkey to help Turkey

[Saif al-Arab]

Not speaking against Arabs.. speaking against your type of the guys who make fun of yourselves on an international forum..

Only oil was that thing which lead you to where they are right now.. and that too with foreign help..

And I am not getting free money sitting at home acting as a Kafeel..


Come out of the past.


No they didn't want..

Rich and fertile lands? 200 years back? where?

That is your own invented theory. I don't believe so nor would most patriotic Arabs. If speaking the truth is "embarrassing yourself" then so be it. I am not here to make friends with anonymous users online. I do that in person. I am here to discuss several issues. If this can be done in a civil manner and constructive one, great, if not I think that I will survive and I am more than capable of replying to anything that is thrown at me as proven here for years.

Who cares when we have an pre-Islamic history not matched by anyone else or an Islamic one not matched to anyone else? History did not begin 70 years ago.

And I have news for you. Oil and gas (in the Muslim world) was discovered by foreigners from Iran to Azerbaijan and everywhere else.

Just like the Brits built your infrastructure, military, transport network, bureaucracy, laws etc. You forgot that suddenly? In fact you had a head start ahead of us due to this because we never had such a luxury as we were never a Western colony. It's a luxury because I wish KSA had been a UK colony for 2-3 decades to give us a head start.

You are projecting again. Most of your compatriots are cheap labor as most foreign labor. So don't speak about Kafeel when most Saudi Arabians are educated people and work and earn their own living.

I already told you what my profession is. I don't even live in KSA currently and I have no plans of ever sponsoring a foreigner. My plan is to give most of the jobs to actual locals who must have them.

Why should I come out of the past? Because you say so. As I told you, I will always take pride in our glorious history whether pre-Islamic or Islamic. History did not begin 70 years ago although you probably wish that in the case of Arabs.

BTW as I showed you today, we have a lot to be proud of TODAY. While we speak.

How about KSA having the largest agricultural areas in the region along with Iraq? Almost as much forrest cover as Pakistan. An agricultural sector that feeds much of the GCC that has almost nothing (I am looking at Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE and Qatar here)? How about half of our country that is mountainous and where, with effective modern agricultural methods, KSA could breed feed the entire region?

You know what? Agriculture was invented in modern-day Sham and Northwestern KSA.

Go read this thread that I posted. It's worth the read although it is long.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...radle-of-agriculture-arab-world.532184/page-2

https://twitter.com/x/status/950372836308287488

^

Largest single olive tree plantation (Nadec) in the world (3.5 million olive trees) in the same Al-Jouf province. Recognized by Guinness World Records.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1013425264972435459

And you don't know how they make fun of you.. you only listen to what they say on your face..


The rest of the comment was not factual.. so I don't want to respond..

Regarding this.. we have not sold the lands to Chinese.. it is called business partnership.. selling is when you give exclusive rights over your oil wells to Americans..


But, we are called to lead a Islamic alliance.. don't know why.. who is feeling unsafe despite having so much oil etc.. couldn't even build a decent force..

And you don't know what you are blabbering about. As if Arabs don't make fun of Americans 24/7. It's harmless fun. AT the end of the day both parties benefit from each other and as I told you, Arabs have no complexes towards Westerners for the reasons that I mentioned to you. For some that might be hard to understand given their history.

We are top dogs and they do as we tell them. When we say jump, they jump.

Trump ruled USA. How many such tweets do they make about other countries? Yet to see it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1026908372367486977

When their best friends (Canada) are pissed on by KSA, they are silent.

Only if I tell you what they usually say..

Anyway, I am leaving.. you continue boasting about your history, wealth, great scientific achievements, your wars with Israel FOR FUN.. etc.. I have to read Qur'an which I haven't because of this useless talk..

Why are you projecting? There is no such thing (ethnicity) called American. The Americans in KSA range everything from Blacks (descendants of slaves), to Arab-Americans to descendants of impoverished Irish and Italian refugees. What some rednekcs say, maters little, similar to what their Arab equivalents say. What matters is that they do as we tell them and when they cross the line, they get in trouble. Nor do they dare to tell us anything openly. So you see, this is irrelevant.

And if they are anti-Arab, you can guess what they think about you (Pakistanis) and Muslims as whole but you can pretend otherwise as well.

I am fairly young but I still remember how Americans were killed in large numbers in KSA. When they never felt save. That was a few years after the Iraq invasion until 2006. Americans are still scared to travel alone in KSA by large.

I still remember how 15 Saudi Arabians (supposedly) from Southern KSA (many of Yemeni origins) terrorized the US more than anyone to this day. Destroyed their iconic buildings and their Pentagon (living sign of their power).

So if you want to talk about who harmed the US and West the most, Arabs win hands down and I am not even talking about old times (ruling much of Southern Europe for centuries upon centuries), enslaving Europeans from Iceland to Sicily etc. But as I told you, this is primitive behavior and I don't look at the average Westerner as an enemy. Nor do most Saudi Arabians.

I still remember how Arabs in Iraq, armed with Ak47's only, managed to kill more US soldiers than Afghans have in 17 years of time in more difficult terrain.

 

[PakSword]

And if they are anti-Arab, you can guess what they think about you (Pakistanis) and Muslims as whole but you can pretend otherwise as well.

I never said that they don't bitch about us..

Anyway, can't continue more.. talk to you later sometime..

 

[SouI]

MB crushed? In your wet dreams perhaps..

Do you support muslim brotherhood? And if so, why?

 

[Rasengan]

@Saif al-Arab normally time brings wisdom to a person as they age. But you have redefined this concept by continuing to speak arrogantly about a culture that holds no relevance in the world. Nobody gives a flying hoot on what your ancestors did a 1000 years ago, because today you are spitshining the shoes of the American's and huffing and puffing won't change this disgusting reality. Saudi Arabia along with the rest of the Muslim world is a paper tiger and once you realize this then things will improve instead of living in cloud cooku land.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I never said that they don't bitch about us..

Anyway, can't continue more.. talk to you later sometime..

You know what is a problem nowadays across the board regardless of what is discussed? People generalize and become experts on every topic just because Google has been invented.

I can post numerous Americans who live in KSA that have not only embraced the language and culture but who promote KSA actively in Arabic and English on Twitter.

You Pakistanis went berserk because of this Polish girl who spoke favoritely of the country (this is a great thing and I support this) and even was invented on national TV? You do know that we have had 1000's of such Westerners do the same with KSA?

I can give you one such Twitter user. He looks like your typical redneck. Blonde, overweight etc. American.

https://twitter.com/randywhorton

See the Twitter posts of this ordinary American in KSA.

And contrary to popular belief there are many such foreigners (Westerners or not) in KSA.

Yet you know what too? I would prefer him every single day of the week instead of a supposed Muslim brother who curses the land and people who gave them greater opportunities than their homeland. And no, I am not talking about you here but in general.

@Saif al-Arab normally time brings wisdom to a person as they age. But you have redefined this concept by continuing to speak arrogantly about a culture that holds no relevance in the world. Nobody gives a flying hoot on what your ancestors did a 1000 years ago, because today you are spitshining the shoes of the American's and huffing and puffing won't change this disgusting reality. Saudi Arabia along with the rest of the Muslim world is a paper tiger and once you realize this then things will improve instead of living in cloud cooku land.

I am glad that you say all of the Muslim world. That is easier to take seriously.

If you notice, when I talk about history I am not talking about history since WW2. I never denied that the West has dominated almost everything in the past 500 years. However that does not change the fact that Arabs have a pre-Islamic and Islamic history second to none and a greater history than Westerners as a whole.

KSA is not a paper tiger. If we were we would be irrelevant which we are not. In fact we are one of the most influential countries in the world.

Do you want the utmost prove of this? The top dogs of this world (West and China) are doing everything to have us onboard and to be friendly with us because we are a significant player that can offer a lot of investment opportunities and because we matter in this part of the world and the Muslim world.

We are in the top 20 of the world on many significant categories which makes us better than 85-90% of all the countries of the world (there are 200 countries in the world, half of which you never hear about in the media). KSA is not one such country.

As for superpower and other such delusions, that's not me you should talk to but other people in the region. Arabs are not like that in general unless you question our undeniable contributions. You don't hear Arabs talk about restoring past Arab empires or reconquering this and that country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1029750433986871296

https://twitter.com/x/status/1029810188163919872

TRUTH. A FACT.

 

[Rasengan]

I am glad that you say all of the Muslim world. That is easier to take seriously.

If you notice, when I talk about history I am not talking about history since WW2. I never denied that the West has dominated almost everything in the past 500 years. However that does not change the fact that Arabs have a pre-Islamic and Islamic history second to none and a greater history than Westerners as a whole.

KSA is not a paper tiger. If we were we would be irrelevant which we are not. In fact we are one of the most influential countries in the world.

Do you want the utmost prove of this? The top dogs of this world (West and China) are doing everything to have us onboard and to be friendly with us because we are a significant player that can offer a lot of investment opportunities and because we matter in this part of the world and the Muslim world.

We are in the top 20 of the world on many significant categories which makes us better than 85-90% of all the countries of the world (there are 200 countries in the world, half of which you never hear about in the media). KSA is not one such country.

As for superpower and other such delusions, that's not me you should talk to but other people in the region. Arabs are not like that in general unless you question our undeniable contributions.

I don't follow a cult, I don't give my allegiance to a King, I don't hold myself superior to other cultures and above all else I won't remain silent when the rulers of my land commit atrocities in the name of religion. There's a big difference between me and you. I hold great love for Pakistan but I would be an ignorant fool If I claim how great my country is when the entire Muslim world dances to the tune of the West. But even to this day you can't even admit how weak Saudi Arabia is along with the rest of the Muslim world. But please continue because people will be answerable in the day of judgement and no money, culture and arrogance will save them.

What influence do you have in the world? Have you resolved the Palestinian issue? What steps have you taken to make the Muslim world stronger? There's nothing to be proud.

 

[Oublious]

@Saif al-Arab normally time brings wisdom to a person as they age. But you have redefined this concept by continuing to speak arrogantly about a culture that holds no relevance in the world. Nobody gives a flying hoot on what your ancestors did a 1000 years ago, because today you are spitshining the shoes of the American's and huffing and puffing won't change this disgusting reality. Saudi Arabia along with the rest of the Muslim world is a paper tiger and once you realize this then things will improve instead of living in cloud cooku land.

Indeed, ancestor did worked and the lazy Arab is writing and shining on the internet ahaha. That guy is total wasted of Data, what is PDF paying for that much irrelevant post? They should give member maximum of MB of post @waz . Beside of that he is insulting againg, how far and much can you insult?

 

[war&peace]

The result was a total failure with Pakistan losing East Pakistan and Kashmir, Thanks Allah India decided to stop by itself and didn't continue advancing and annexing more lands, or else we would have seen Islamabad under its control.
Tell us why is Pakistan selling out big portion of the people lands to China?
It seems to me that you even don't feel safe with all the nuclear bombs you already have, on the top of that, you invited the communist atheist Chinese and sold them out lands to grant you some sort of an outsider protection.

Lanat-ullahi Alakazibeen...and you are a pathetic liar walad-ul-Abu Jahal...ignorant bedouin. you goat-shagger fcuk off.. pathetic loser..SoB

 

[Rasengan]

Indeed, ancestor did worked and the lazy Arab is writing and shining on the internet ahaha. That guy is total wasted of Data, what is PDF paying for that much irrelevant post? They should give member maximum of MB of post @waz . Beside of that he is insulting againg, how far and much can you insult?

The last time I was on this forum was roughly a year ago and it seems nothing has changed. No Muslim country should be chest thumping with pride. Hadrat Ali (R.A.) said a person should let go of their pride, put down their arrogance and remember their grave. What the Muslim's did centuries ago means nothing to us in the current era because we all dance to the tune of the West.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't follow a cult, I don't give my allegiance to a King, I don't hold myself superior to other cultures and above all else I won't remain silent when the rulers of my land commit atrocities in the name of religion. There's a big difference between me and you. I hold great love for Pakistan but I would be an ignorant fool If I claim how great my country is when the entire Muslim world dances to the tune of the West. But even to this day you can't even admit how weak Saudi Arabia is along with the rest of the Muslim world. But please continue because people will be answerable in the day of judgement and no money, culture and arrogance will save them.

What influence do you have in the world? Have you resolved the Palestinian issue? What steps have you taken to make the Muslim world stronger? There's nothing to be proud.

Islam is a cult now? Well, that is your right to believe in that. I am not going to cry.

We give our allegiance to the King because he is the head of state and the living representative of the state. We respect the institution (some of the earliest kingdoms in the world and rulers can be found in Arabia) and everything that it has given the country which we can see first-hand when we look around the Arab world, region and Muslim world and compare. Even states that are as equally rich as KSA in terms of resources. Take Venezuela. More oil than us and similar population. Yet people are lynching each other alive (go watch some of the videos where people are hacked to death in broad daylight) for a piece of toilet paper or food.

Who tells you that I am a blind supporter lol, just because I am an Arab nationalist or rather an Arab patriot that wishes the best not only for KSA but every Arab country but not every Arab regime (as many are useless). Case in point the current Qatari one or Al-Assad.

No, because KSA is not a weak country on any front. Economically, militarily, scientifically, when it comes to political influence, GDP per capita, infrastructure, scientific output etc.

That the West is far ahead (represented by the US) is another thing and I have never disputed that. Like ever in my life. So not sure what you are about.

Israel is the favorite child of the US which happens to be the foremost power on every front and which can destroy the entire Muslim world with a few touches on a few buttons. Tiny Israel, is armed with 300 nuclear weapons and the better weapons and technology than any Muslim country. Arabs (against all odds) fought Israel and succeeded with their main objective in 1973 (for Egypt) but did not succeed with what was dreamt about before. Why? Because of the West (same USA). And because Israel had nukes and they would not hesitate to blow us all up if losing just to say "thank you very much".

You can of course ignore those facts and curse KSA (as if we are responsible for this or the only Muslim country of the world) or you can try to do what you gotta do.

This Palestine talk does not work for me. KSA has donated more money to Palestine than anyone else. Hosts 500.000 + Palestinians who are given even more rights than locals (they are favored in law) and went to war with Israel, supported wars against Israel (financially) and boycotted the economy of the West during oil embargoes. I am not sure what you expect else? For all of us to go "ISIS on them" and commit collective suicide while getting our lands nuked, making them uninhabitable for the next many centuries? What is it?

Indeed, ancestor did worked and the lazy Arab is writing and shining on the internet ahaha. That guy is total wasted of Data, what is PDF paying for that much irrelevant post? They should give member maximum of MB of post @waz . Beside of that he is insulting againg, how far and much can you insult?

You should not be crying. Can't deal with facts, your problem. I am not breaking any rules. When somebody is insulting, I reply in kind.

You are the last person to talk about insults, lol, when you insults Iranians, Chinese, Arabs etc. frequently. Man up and stop crying. This is PDF and an internet forum.

Here is more opportunity for crying aside of the truths and facts that I mentioned in this thread. It should become sticky BTW.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1029750433986871296

https://twitter.com/x/status/1029810188163919872

TRUTH. A FACT.

Do you support muslim brotherhood? And if so, why?

He supports everything that harms Arabs. Whether MB or not. While pretending to be pro-Arab. When called out he starts crying or posting Turkish military projects with great Western input. Not that I have a problem with this, as KSA is doing the same but not at such a big scale yet due to us beginning 2 decades later but by 2030 the goal is to be 50% self-sufficient on this front but less could do. Even 40% would be great.

@OutOfAmmo

Remember what we discussed about this issue (or some of the ones I raised in this thread) some months ago? About the sheep? The mirror being shown the other way around and many more "secrets" being discovered on the other side? What Arabs ought to do while having all the power to put those troublemakers in their place like many times in history. Size, population, landmass, economy, military, resources, potential etc. Everything is in our favor. Just sellouts among us (regimes included) and braindead monkeys who don't see the bigger picture.

This, have in mind, will always occur when it comes to these type of foreigners therefore internal Arab unity is of foremost importance which is why I am clapping in my hands when I see nationalism rising everywhere (especially among the youth) and Arabs discovering the hypocrites and leaving the naive behavior aside.

@Arabi

 

[Rasengan]

Islam is a cult now? Well, that is your right to believe in that.

When did I advocate Islam is a cult. You will answer on the day of judgement for accusing me of calling Islam a cult. Arab pride. culture, money will mean nothing on the day of judgement. But since you love Arab history then heed the advice from Hadrat Ali {R.A} who said 'A person should let go of their pride, put down their arrogance and remember their grave'.

When some people don't have the balls to criticize there rulers that are clearly wrong and then in turn sing there praises is a sign of a cult following. Sometimes the truth hurts but hiding behind ignorance is a recipe for disaster. If you had any shred of honour then admit Saudi Arabia along with the rest of the Muslim world is currently a paper tiger dancing to the tune of the West. Remember Hadrat Ali's {R.A} quote before responding back.

Oh, yes, you give your allegiance to a King and his family who have done diddlysquat for the Muslim world. Instead these people have invested trillions of dollars in America all in the hopes of remaining protected by the West. They will be answerable on the day of judgement. The only institution you should respect and uphold is our faith not give blind allegiance to some fool whose sole concern is greed and power. The concept of being a nationalists is haram in Islam? Arab pride will mean nothing on the day of judgement. So you are scared of America thus remain silent but don't fear Allah's wrath on the day of judgement? What pride does the Muslim world have left? What do you think your ancestors would have thought? Do you think Hadrat Khalid Bin Waleed {R.A} would have remained as coward in front of such adversary? He would have been ashamed that courage has left the Muslim world.


Again notice the difference between me and you. I have said the entire Muslim world is at fault for the plight of the Palestinian people but still you continue to speak pridefully thinking you are exempt from such criticism. If you are scared of nuclear bombs then why haven't you built your own to defend the cause of Islam? Do you think nuclear bombs can destroy Mecca the House of God or Medina in which his beloved Prophet {PBUH) is buried. This philosophy demonstrates why the Muslim world is weak. We don't fear Allah instead we fear human beings.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

When did I advocate Islam is a cult. You will answer on the day of judgement for accusing me of calling Islam a cult. Arab pride. culture, money will mean nothing on the day of judgement. But since you love Arab history then heed the advice from Hadrat Ali {R.A} who said 'A person should let go of their pride, put down their arrogance and remember their grave'.

When some people don't have the balls to criticize there rulers that are clearly wrong and then in turn sing there praises is a sign of a cult following. Sometimes the truth hurts but hiding behind ignorance is a recipe for disaster. If you had any shred of honour then admit Saudi Arabia along with the rest of the Muslim world is currently a paper tiger dancing to the tune of the West. Remember Hadrat Ali's {R.A} quote before responding back.

Oh, yes, you give your allegiance to a King and his family who have done diddlysquat for the Muslim world. Instead these people have invested trillions of dollars in America all in the hopes of remaining protected by the West. They will be answerable on the day of judgement. The only institution you should respect and uphold is our faith not give blind allegiance to some fool whose sole concern is greed and power. The concept of being a nationalists is haram in Islam? Arab pride will mean nothing on the day of judgement. So you are scared of America thus remain silent but don't fear Allah's wrath on the day of judgement? What pride does the Muslim world have left? What do you think your ancestors would have thought? Do you think Hadrat Khalid Bin Waleed {R.A} would have remained as coward in front of such adversary? He would have been ashamed that courage has left the Muslim world.


Again notice the difference between me and you. I have said the entire Muslim world is at fault for the plight of the Palestinian people but still you continue to speak pridefully thinking you are exempt from such criticism. If you are scared of nuclear bombs then why haven't you built your own to defend the cause of Islam? Do you think nuclear bombs can destroy Mecca the House of God or Medina in which his beloved Prophet {PBUH) is buried. This philosophy demonstrates why the Muslim world is weak. We don't fear Allah instead we fear human beings.

Who knows? I have encountered many strange people on PDF. Many of those people are turncoats. Pro-something one day and anti-something the next day. I am not like that. I have held relatively consistent views all the time on PDF.

I have never seen anything (which even simple logic dictates) that says that taking pride in your history is illegal, especially if it is great by all objective accounts.

You are talking to the wrong person. Just in this thread I have called many Arab regimes trash (incompetent and as in the case of Qatar sellouts towards other Arabs) and even said that most Arab and Muslim regimes are trash. That does not mean that every Arab or Muslim regime is that.

I am not going to admit something that is not the truth. I gave you actual evidence that proves this not to be the case. Nothing to do with pride just common sense. Of course I could reject the ground reality.

That is your unfunded view. I disagree and I can argue why you are not telling the truth.

Where is your evidence of trillions of dollars (1000 billions is 1 trillion just to put it into perspective) being invested in the West? Do you realize that KSA has had a trade surplus in the trade relations with the US for decades?

Look, I am far from the perfect Muslim. I might say and do things that are not perfect. But you can say the same about almost every Muslim. I am sure that you have skeletons in your closest.

I prefer being an Arab patriot and take pride in what objectively speaking is a great past but that does not mean that I believe in superiority. That's not the case. Just because I am answering anti-Arab trolls online with their own medicine, it does not mean that I am reminding everyone left and right (in person) why x or y is superior or x or y is inferior.

Can you tell me why everyone else not an Arab can take pride in their history on PDF unchallenged but when Arabs do it Muslims are supposedly offended? Why is that? I have my own theories why that is but it is better left unsaid here since many are apparently very touchy.

You did not read what I wrote, bro. I said that KSA was far from perfect but we are one of the last countries on earth to criticize on this front after all of our sacrifices and decade long support. How many countries did as much as we did? I can only think of Egypt who did more.

No, but 80 million people inhabit Arabia and I am sure that they could and would nuke us and the region as I wrote if they were losing the war. You doubt that?

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm afraid to tell you that the only nuclear Muslim country Pakistan hasn't just lost one time, but it's also lost twice against the same enemy.
It lost East Pakistan (Bangladesh) a big land with millions of people and untapped natural resources, and it also lost a two blocks away Kashmir to India without showing any resistance to take it back from Al Hind!

Pakistan fought against a country seven times it's size in geography, ten times it's size in population, with an army three times the size of its own with ten times the resources, all under Western sanctions and trade embargoes and we still managed to hold our own without any outside assistance.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1029773334173634560

https://twitter.com/x/status/1029824315615846400

Brotherly? Since when? Until the day they no longer will fund the failed MB project in every Arab state?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Pakistan fought against a country seven times it's size in geography, ten times it's size in population, with an army three times the size of its own with ten times the resources, all under Western sanctions and trade embargoes and we still managed to hold our own without any outside assistance.

China donated F-6 (MiG-19) in the 1971 war.