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[Dillinger]

No it isn't !

India is officially a Socialist State practicing Capitalism last I checked !

So ?

What does that have to do with the merits or demerits of an Ideology ?


Islamic Socialism = Democratic Socialism with some modifications !

Bad ideology, we tried it- the Soviets tried it hell even the Chinese let go if it as far as economics was concerned.
@Mamba school this boy.

 

[Armstrong]

Bad ideology, we tried it- the Soviets tried it hell even the Chinese let go if it as far as economics was concerned.
@Mamba school this boy.

The Scandinavians & quite a few others in Europe made it work !

 

[KingMamba]

Socialism didn't start with Marx !

And theres no such thing as an 'Islamic System' - Islam gives us Principles to work with not a System !

Marx himself was not an advocate for socialism but communism, there is a huge difference.

Islam is a complete way of life and it has given Muslims guidelines for everything and that includes government. Remember when Imran Khan said Sweden uses Hazrat Omar RA system that is what he was referring too.

The Scandinavians & quite a few others in Europe made it work !

They are social democrats, so do you agree with social democracy or what you call as Islamic socialism?

 

[Dillinger]

The Scandinavians & quite a few others in Europe made it work !

Yes yes, unfortunately they did so under a set of factors which do not apply to you. And they aren't socialist in the same sense as the Soviets were- there economy is still driven by the private sector but the government believes in social expenditure and cover. That is NOT socialism but social security and the government doing for the people what the people may not be able to do for themselves- a far cry from socialism. The economic setup though is still based on the free market economy/mixed economy.

 

[KingMamba]

Yes yes, unfortunately they did so under a set of factors which do not apply to you. And they aren't socialist in the same sense as the Soviets were- there economy is still driven by the private sector but the government believes in social expenditure and cover. That is NOT socialism but social security and the government doing for the people what the people may not be able to do for themselves- a far cry from socialism. The economic setup though is still based on the free market economy.

No that is socialism but they allow private enterprise and ownership of private property. The taxes in said nations are very high in exchange for the many benefits the government offers and also a lot of workers in said nations are government employees.

 

[Armstrong]

Marx himself was not an advocate for socialism but communism, there is a huge difference.

Socialism is the Transition Stage, as per Marx, that leads to Communism !

Islam is a complete way of life and it has given Muslims guidelines for everything and that includes government. Remember when Imran Khan said Sweden uses Hazrat Omar RA system that is what he was referring too.

No it didn't ! Islam gave us Principals using which Muslims of the age constructed many Socio-Political-Economic & Legal Paradigms - Not all of which are valid today !

The Principals on the other hand are as valid today as they were 1400 years ago !

If you think otherwise show me a single verse in the Koran where a 'System' is talked about ?

They are social democrats, so do you agree with social democracy or what you call as Islamic socialism?

As I said, Islamic Socialism is Democratic Socialism with some Modifications because it, as a stand-alone system, does not address all of the Principals as I've understood them to be.

 

[Dillinger]

@Hyperion I propose that we stone @Armstrong for he is committing blasphemy.

Btw someone engineered a micro-riot here in UP. BJP is going to capitalize BIG time on this, already the local populace is cat calling the Congress and SP. Shuru sara drama.

 

[Armstrong]

Yes yes, unfortunately they did so under a set of factors which do not apply to you. And they aren't socialist in the same sense as the Soviets were- there economy is still driven by the private sector but the government believes in social expenditure and cover. That is NOT socialism but social security and the government doing for the people what the people may not be able to do for themselves- a far cry from socialism. The economic setup though is still based on the free market economy/mixed economy.

Tou what the heck is 'Democratic Socialism' if not that ?

Free Market heavily regulated in favor of Socialist Agendas along with Representative Democracy & heavy Government Expenditure on Social Welfare !

The Soviets followed Marxist-Lennism whereby Lenin added another Political flavor to the Movement by neceseitating the introduction of a Vanguard Party - The Communist Party !

 

[KingMamba]

Socialism is the Transition Stage, as per Marx, that leads to Communism !



No it didn't ! Islam gave us Principals using which Muslims of the age constructed many Socio-Political-Economic & Legal Paradigms - Not all of which are valid today !

The Principals on the other hand are as valid today as they were 1400 years ago !

If you think otherwise show me a single verse in the Koran where a 'System' is talked about ?



As I said, Islamic Socialism is Democratic Socialism with some Modifications because it, as a stand-alone system, does not address all of the Principals as I've understood them to be.

You are right the Quran does not specifically say here is how I want it for you dudes but it provides stipulations a leader must follow and then we must look historically how did Prophet Muhammad PBUH and following him the 4 rightly guided Caliphs rule as support.

No Marx believed in violent revolution and the complete takeover of every asset by the state, he was not willing to wait for a transition from socialist to communist.

What modifications will you make to stamp the Islamic label sirjee? Or are you just trying to put Islamic in front so as not to alarm the sheeple?

 

[Dillinger]

You are right the Quran does not specifically say here is how I want it for you dudes but it provides stipulations a leader must follow and then we must look historically how did Prophet Muhammad PBUH and following him the 4 rightly guided Caliphs rule as support.

No Marx believed in violent revolution and the complete takeover of every asset by the state, he was not willing to wait for a transition from socialist to communist.

What modifications will you make to stamp the Islamic label sirjee? Or are you just trying to put Islamic in front so as not to alarm the sheeple?

You have no idea, he's a closet lib-dem, but he knows that the people of the state will lynch him if he tries his hopey-feely ideas under any other guise but Islamic. STONE HIM!!

 

[KingMamba]

You have no idea, he's a closet lib-dem, but he knows that the people of the state will lynch him if he tries his hopey-feely ideas under any other guise but Islamic. STONE HIM!!

Exactly unless he is willing to appoint a Caliph as well he is just saying Islamic for shts and giggles but it really isn't the Islamic system. It is like Pakistan calling itself an Islamic Republic, doesn't mean the Republic is Islamic rather the way I see it the Islamic just denotes a Muslim majority.

 

[Dillinger]

Exactly unless he is willing to appoint a Caliph as well he is just saying Islamic for shts and giggles but it really isn't the Islamic system. It is like Pakistan calling itself an Islamic Republic, doesn't mean the Republic is Islamic rather the way I see it the Islamic just denotes a Muslim majority.

That's why all of you folks should be stoned, you're worse than kaffirs- using the term Islamic and then NOT appointing a Caliph and employing Sharia like KSA. Learn from them.

Start by beheading @Hyperion @Imran Khan and @Secur.

 

[Hyperion]

@Armstrong @Mamba, dudes, you guys think so deep....... remember one rule, the one who thinks, never does.....

Or as my first teacher would advise...... "paralysis by analysis"......


Select target, forget every rule, get it done at any cost............. do a post analysis..... NEVER EVER THINK BEFORE STARTING

 

[Armstrong]

You are right the Quran does not specifically say here is how I want it for you dudes but it provides stipulations a leader must follow and then we must look historically how did Prophet Muhammad PBUH and following him the 4 rightly guided Caliphs rule as support.

Stipulations = Principals !

I'm not a big believer in the Hadith !

No Marx believed in violent revolution and the complete takeover of every asset by the state, he was not willing to wait for a transition from socialist to communist.

That doesn't change the fact that Socialism is the transition stage to Communism !

Even Non-Marxist Socialist believe that !

What modifications will you make to stamp the Islamic label sirjee? Or are you just trying to put Islamic in front so as not to alarm the sheeple?

Interest Rate, a redefinition of Money as a commodity with intrinsic value & a lot more on Corporate Governance & Corporate Social Responsibility !

 

[KingMamba]

That's why all of you folks should be stoned, your worse than kaffirs- using the term Islamic and then NOT appointing a Caliph and employing Sharia like KSA. Learn from them.

Start by beheading @Hyperion @Imran Khan and @Secur.

You are retarded KSA is not an Islamic state either, there is no Muslim country today that is an Islamic state. Its all smoke and mirrors.