Muslims in Europe face discrimination: Amnesty

[Cloakedvessel]

Why are you even arguing with xenophobes?

Very cheap. Go play with the little kids, if you can't formulate a proper argument or post.

 

[RazPaK]

Very cheap. Go play with the little kids, if you can't formulate a proper argument or post.

I remember the last time we had a debate you logged off and left the thread to the ruin of spider webs.

It's pointless to argue with xenophobic individuals.

 

[JayAtl]

Yes, it is off-topic because you are making an explicit comparison of rights in European and Islamic countries.

That is not the issue here; most of us acknowledge that Muslim countries, like many developing countries, have a ways to go in the human rights department.

The question is whether European Muslims have some of their rights abrogated due to the current climate of hysteria. Are they equal citizens? The debate is to compare the rights of European Muslims with European non-Muslims, not Pakistani Christians.

You as a THINK TANK can't understand that the topic is about rights afforded to MUSLIMS and their demands for such rights. And as such rights given by them to others in their Islamic countries is very much on topic? this does not have to do with rights afforded to race, it is religion based. As such it would be stupid to not look at it in it's entirety .

 

[Cloakedvessel]

I remember the last time we had a debate you logged off and left the thread to the ruin of spider webs.

It's pointless to argue with xenophobic individuals.

Yeah, it's very easy to call names if you can't come up with something solid or refer to some imaginary 'victory'.

 

[RazPaK]

Yeah, it's very easy to call names if you can't come up with something solid or refer to some imaginary 'victory'.

Summarize your points and I'll take you to school.

 

[Developereo]

It's a silly question, which can never be deduced from my previous posts. Nowhere did I state that somebody should be punished for crimes in a far away place. I'm all for fair treatment regardless of the religion, so your previous cheap shot of calling me a bigot was also beside the point.

You are a bigot because you don't view these people as fellow German or Dutch citizens. You justify their mistreatment by comparing it to something far away. What is the relevance of that comparison to a German Muslim born and bred in Germany?

Would you say that black Germans should be forced to live in mud huts because that's the norm in equatorial Africa?

I criticized the report for its lack of hard data. A report in which testimonies, for example, of an European citizen (with head scarf) who got rejected for a job and therefore felt discriminated, while the dress code clearly stated no tattoo, no weird hair dresses no religious symbols, such a report cannot be taken very serious and should be put in its perspective, even if a fraction of the paper was true.

The report also talks about specific laws about headscarves, etc. which directly target religion.

Same reason why a new born baby also has to go through a secrurity check in an airport. Laws are not meant to be flawless. How silly of you THINK that .... In the case of wearing it to school , it may have to do it with no religious symbols are allowed period. In the US you can't wear a Jesus T-shirt to school. School is void of all religious symbols

Sigh. Your ignorance of the French laws is astounding. It has been debated here before and I don't want to waste any more time educating you. I suggest you dig up one of the old threads to see why this French law discriminates against certain religions while favoring others.

Yes it is about islamic. Countries. You can't expect go be the demander of rights based on Islam and yet expect us to not ask ... What happens if we come in your back yard...who died and made you guys the king Bhai?

You make it about Islamic countries because you can't debate the actual topic.

You as a THINK TANK can't understand that the topic is about rights afforded to MUSLIMS and their demands for such rights. And as such rights given by them to others in their Islamic countries is very much on topic? this does not have to do with rights afforded to race, it is religion based. As such it would be stupid to not look at it in it's entirety .

See, this is where your ingrained prejudice comes in. The person in question is a German Muslim or a Dutch Muslim. There is no "their Islamic countries".

By your logic, Western slavery should be OK compared what happens in "their African countries".

 

[JayAtl]

You are a bigot because you don't view these people as fellow German or Dutch citizens. You justify their mistreatment by comparing it to something far away. What is the relevance of that comparison to a German Muslim born and bred in Germany?

Would you say that black Germans should be forced to live in mud huts because that's the norm in equatorial Africa?



The report also talks about specific laws about headscarves, etc. which directly target religion.



Sigh. Your ignorance of the French laws is astounding. It has been debated here before and I don't want to waste any more time educating you. I suggest you dig up one of the old threads to see why this French law discriminates against certain religions while favoring others.



You make it about Islamic countries because you can't debate the actual topic.



See, this is where your ingrained prejudice comes in. The person in question is a German Muslim or a Dutch Muslim. There is no "their Islamic countries".

By your logic, Western slavery should be OK compared what happens in "their African countries".

Good lord man. Then you wonder why you guysare treated like you are. You are demanding rights based on your religion regardless of country. Therefore you should be aptly asked what laws would yor permit those non Muslims in your Islamic countries. This is why we think of you guys as sympathizers of extremists thoughts.

It's always ask the host country to give you special considerations. There are no French laws that are driven to be anti Muslim , it's purely secrurity related or as related to maintain secularism. You are not afforded a third of the rights you get in France in your own islamic countries and you don't give one tenth of them to non Muslims . So again I ask what is your gripe beacuse your examples of girl with head scarf or any others are easily justifiable in a world created by your brethren . As I said 20 years nobody cared what you wore ...

Btw western slavery was purported by whites and whites worldwide were condemned. In this case you only condemn those in Europe but continue to be a-okay with backward, ghetto rules and laws in your Islamic countries towards minorities. That western analogy is unbecoming of a THINK TANK. You have ubiquitous condemnation on slavery vs. selected outrage about " religious rights" or rights in general towards aminority religion by Muslims like you!

Let me ask you this. Chinese refuse to allow any muslim under 18 to visit a mosque period. Show me where you showed your outrage once about it here? . You are a hypocrite Bhai. You don't like it when I call you a Johnny come lately... Your the kind that loves to rail against the west but stands cup in hand to live off it's democracy and iy's opportunity. You flag of patriotism stops just outside your 4 walls and on the forums. After that you cherish the freedoms of that these Christian judea countries give you brother . You never fight the fight but will always ask poor Pakistani people to fight it and suffer the consequence while you enjoy your foster MATE

 

[PAKBARBIE]

Left Wingers in Western countries get their lips wet just thinking about political correctness and trying to "protect" muslims or other minority groups.

It's a massive love fest. However, if they went to an islamic country, they wouldn't be offered the same treatment.

u should really come out to "islamic" countries and see how westerners are treated. in the gulf they are treated even better than muslim pakistanis and indians. the world still bows down to the white man.

 

[JayAtl]

u should really come out to "islamic" countries and see how westerners are treated. in the gulf they are treated even better than muslim pakistanis and indians. the world still bows down to the white man.

Was this pre white couple jailed for holding hands and kissing or post? Nobody is talking about how they are treated by the citizenry specifically, it' s laws and abuses that put upon them.

 

[shuntmaster]

The issue in Xinjiang is entirely an ethnic one.

There are many Muslim minority groups in China, including the Hui, the Kazakhs, the Dongxiang, the Kyrgyz, the Tajik, etc.

The Hui Chinese are by far the largest Muslim minority group in China, and they often find themselves in conflict with the Uyghurs as well. It is an issue of ethnic tension.

CHINESE MUSLIMS FACE HEIGHTENED DISCRIMINATION

By Usra Ghazi
Shortly after the then US President-elect Ba rack Obama promised to close down the military detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, US appeals courts were set to hear the case of 17 Chinese Muslims- Uighurs, from the western province of Xinjiangwho had been cleared of charges as enemy combatants but unable to return to China from fear of government reprisal.

Although Muslims of Xinjiang province form a majority of nine million, restrictions on their religious practice has been widely reported in recent months. During Ramadan, certain restaurants were forced to remain open in daylight hours. Restrictions on government employees, such as a prohibition on growing beards and wearing face-veils as well as fasting during the holy month, were stringently enforced.

Among restrictions on religious practice in the region is a bar on worshipping in mosques, if under 18 years, and Islamic instruction provided only within the mosques by government approved imams.

Uighurs have been alleged terrorists in a string of sectarian violence following the Olympic Games. Chinese authorities have reportedly heightened surveillance of the region in response to increased religious extremism.

 

[Cloakedvessel]

You are a bigot because you don't view these people as fellow German or Dutch citizens.

No, I'm a bigot because I don't agree with the report. I do not share your hostile view, that's why I'm a bigot and a racist, and see European Muslims as inferior blablabla.

You justify their mistreatment by comparing it to something far away. What is the relevance of that comparison to a German Muslim born and bred in Germany? Would you say that black Germans should be forced to live in mud huts because that's the norm in equatorial Africa?

I question the report on its merits, and have trouble accepting it as a properly founded report, clearly opposing the ground reality. I do not recognize the picture of wide scale mistreatment of European Muslims as the report seem to suggest. However, I cannot stress enough, since you're repeatedly accusing me of bigotry, that all Europeans should be treated as fairly as possible, Muslim citizens including.

My comparison with situations in other parts of the world are in no way meant, as you seem to comprehend, to belittle the alleged mistreatment of European Muslims, but are intended to see the bigger picture and thereby judging the seriousness of the alleged problems in Europe.

The report also talks about specific laws about headscarves, etc. which directly target religion.

It depends on the situation. For example, it's reasonable if a school bans head scarves giving its Catholic signature. And they reserve that right. It is not so much anti-Muslim, but more maintaining the identity of the school. If you want to play the victim card, you'll probably say the school hates Muslims.

More over, these are not state-laws expect in the case of France, but the French have an extreme secular system.

One of the ridiculous examples you can read between the lines and was once in the news papers is the case of a Muslima, which was banned from participating classes. She attended pedagogics and was fully veiled. Needless to say how counter productive it is to engage with little children wearing a burka where there is no eye contact or facial expressions.

 

[JayAtl]

^^^ cloak , he don't know the meaning of the word bigotry. Just " feigned one sided victim hood "

 

[Cloakedvessel]

^^^ cloak , he don't know the meaning of the word bigotry. Just " feigned one sided victim hood "

It's ironical, I'm actually very sympathetic towards the Islamic religion, I find it very logical and consistent. However, I'm abhorred of the practical behavior of some (see the undertone, how carefully I even formulate not to generalize all Muslims) Muslims. One can even go so far to say I criticize the behavior of the criminals among Muslims out of love for Islam, so they may better themselves as human beings. So calling me a bigot against Muslims above all is actually the dumbest thing to say to me.

 

[The SC]

Why Indian are intervening here, the same exact discriminations are perpetrated in India against it own Muslim Population.

It's ironical, I'm actually very sympathetic towards the Islamic religion, I find it very logical and consistent. However, I'm abhorred of the practical behavior of some (see the undertone, how carefully I even formulate not to generalize all Muslims) Muslims. One can even go so far to say I criticize the behavior of the criminals among Muslims out of love for Islam, so they may better themselves as human beings. So calling me a bigot against Muslims above all is actually the dumbest thing to say to me.

For common criminals yes, everyone here will agree with you on that, but looking at the cause of it, most Muslim youth who turn to crime in Europe are living in ghettos, meaning like outcasts and the effect is what you see, so it has nothing to do with Islam at all, it is a social problem created by the same countries who are crying Wolfe!

The other thing I have noticed from different reports and videos, is the fact that the majority of the common Europeans are against discrimination of Muslims, so it is most probably politically motivated by the Zionist lobby and its friends in the Christian church out of some unforgiving hatred towards Islam for 1400 years now.

 

[JayAtl]

Why Indian are intervening here, the same exact discriminations are perpetrated in India against it own Muslim Population.



For common criminals yes, everyone here will agree with you on that, but looking at the cause of it, most Muslim youth who turn to crime in Europe are living in ghettos, meaning like outcasts and the effect is what you see, so it has nothing to do with Islam at all, it is a social problem created by the same countries who are crying Wolfe!

I think he is making a distinction or I have assumed he is based on crimes committed vs. crimes committed in the name of Islam. Why not Indians comment , show us the discrimination in their laws against Muslims, from what I have read they have reverse discrimination where Muslims get quota and special subsidies from the Indian govt. that was a remarkably daft claim by you...