Muslims in Europe face discrimination: Amnesty

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Why not? If you single out women to be targeted, how is that not discrimination based on gender?

Im sure tht the women were targetted bcoz of their personal issues... like rejectin marriage or insultin etc.... it even happens in europe..
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4OXfAQ&usg=AFQjCNGQoj2_n0WtuluLiLw8U2xSkCvARg

So how is it exactly gender discrimination?

Very colorful tale, but little truth in it. Most of these crimes go unpunished, and the law does not always support the victims. For example in Jordan, up until recently murders in the name of honor would go free within a year, if they even saw a jail from inside. And there is also the matter of upholding the law.

Ah same old rant.... you kill a person... you go to jail.. now dnt tell me tht u know more abt it than others.

I did not only specify women, but also non-Muslims and Christians as those minorities who are mistreated or killed. Yeah, targeting people because of their beliefs or gender pretty much defines discrimination.

You talked abt forced convsersions..... do u remember the recent case of hindu girls in sindh who their parents said were kidnapped n forced to become muslims? turns out tht was all BS... the girls were brought in the court where they gave their statements etc and even called on TV channels....... i have yet to see a forced conversion.... at most the "mullahs" like to preach it to the non muslims which i think is wrong they should do their own stuff instead of tellin em to convert......... also non muslims specially christians are one of the most poor communities bcoz they dnt study they dnt get enrolled in schools etc... they have several kids yet no means to feed them hence the so called concept of discrimination... my neighbour is a Lt.Col in the army and hes a christian....... i wonder why he faced no discrimination ?

Show me crime figures which display the level of hate crimes against Muslims in Europe

Your going offtopic i was talkin abt crimes etc specially against women...

and you'll see it would look completely feeble against the atrocities committed in the Muslim world against minorities. I bet they're more and severe hate crimes in the Muslim in one month than 10 years of hate crimes in Europe, where most hate crimes would probably consist of some nasty comments on the internet about Muslims or by some right wing politician, but relatively harmless compared with killings and violence.

Would u also add Iraq,IOK,palestine,afghanistan and the killings in FATA in ur list aswell? how abt the norwegian killer?attackin mosques?hate speech etc?

Some lads abducting and raping non-Muslim girls in the name of Islam.

And who the fuaark said tht? the voices in ur head? u talk abt these 2 girls... what abt the women NATO soldiers had raped in iraq? google it.... what abt Gitmo and baghram crimes?

Ever wonder why the evil muslims dislike you?

It speaks for itself. But what my point was, this so-called mistreatment of Muslims in Europe is pretty lame and harmless if true, especially considering how so many Muslim immigrants themselves are involved in committing crimes in those very same European countries, indeed on a mass scale.

Most of the rapes are commited by ur own family members... have u seen the stats of ur country? not very encouragin..

Not to mention discrimination against Non-Muslims in Europe by Muslims or even regarding atrocities of minorities in the Muslim world. It's all about perspective and this report gives a very distorted image of Europe as seen by some, about some minor alleged incidents as if European Muslims must face difficulties on a daily base.

Whatever... talkin to u is like bangin my head in a wall.... keep defending racism and discrimination....... Heil hitler.

 

[Audio]

Uh, Developeon at his "the world is unjust to Muslims charade" again.



Already pointing out false ID's and sporting weak logic...so predictable

 

[Cloakedvessel]

For common criminals yes, everyone here will agree with you on that, but looking at the cause of it, most Muslim youth who turn to crime in Europe are living in ghettos, meaning like outcasts and the effect is what you see, so it has nothing to do with Islam at all, it is a social problem created by the same countries who are crying Wolfe!

Nonsense, if the youth is more interested in getting fast cash by dealing and pimping or other criminal activities instead of going to school and getting a job, it's not the fault of the state. Every person bears his own responsibility. You cannot blame the government, when the same government provides for example you free education to grab your chances. Off course these criminals have nothing to do with Islam, nobody said that, I was talking in another context.

 

[Audio]

Nonsense, if the youth is more interested in getting fast cash by dealing and pimping or other criminal activities instead of going to school and getting a job, it's not the fault of the state. Every person bears his own responsibility. You cannot blame the government, when the same government provides for example you free education to grab your chances. Off course these criminals have nothing to do with Islam, nobody said that, I was talking in another context.

Dude, they don't get it.

You have to work, to compete! They think as soon as you are in Europe milk and honey come rolling down to every lazy bastard.

I'm 31, with a decent job, yet i decided to learn HTML/CSS/MySQL/animation from scratch so i can be more competitive and in a position for a raise.
Stuff like that doesn't make sense to them. They think they are entitled to some social privileges because other people work their asses off for providing the said privileges.

 

[The SC]

I think he is making a distinction or I have assumed he is based on crimes committed vs. crimes committed in the name of Islam. Why not Indians comment , show us the discrimination in their laws against Muslims, from what I have read they have reverse discrimination where Muslims get quota and special subsidies from the Indian govt. that was a remarkably daft claim by you...

I wish you were right!
But the similarities are very clear to see, and it is worst in India since it is more social than in the case of Europe as I have explained before, laws or no laws the main denominator is Islam and Muslims.

Nonsense, if the youth is more interested in getting fast cash by dealing and pimping or other criminal activities instead of going to school and getting a job, it's not the fault of the state. Every person bears his own responsibility. You cannot blame the government, when the same government provides for example you free education to grab your chances. Off course these criminals have nothing to do with Islam, nobody said that, I was talking in another context.

So why you say nonsense and then repent!

 

[Cloakedvessel]

Im sure tht the women were targetted bcoz of their personal issues... like rejectin marriage or insultin etc.... it even happens in europe..
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4OXfAQ&usg=AFQjCNGQoj2_n0WtuluLiLw8U2xSkCvARg

So how is it exactly gender discrimination?



Ah same old rant.... you kill a person... you go to jail.. now dnt tell me tht u know more abt it than others.



You talked abt forced convsersions..... do u remember the recent case of hindu girls in sindh who their parents said were kidnapped n forced to become muslims? turns out tht was all BS... the girls were brought in the court where they gave their statements etc and even called on TV channels....... i have yet to see a forced conversion.... at most the "mullahs" like to preach it to the non muslims which i think is wrong they should do their own stuff instead of tellin em to convert......... also non muslims specially christians are one of the most poor communities bcoz they dnt study they dnt get enrolled in schools etc... they have several kids yet no means to feed them hence the so called concept of discrimination... my neighbour is a Lt.Col in the army and hes a christian....... i wonder why he faced no discrimination ?




Your going offtopic i was talkin abt crimes etc specially against women...


Would u also add Iraq,IOK,palestine,afghanistan and the killings in FATA in ur list aswell? how abt the norwegian killer?attackin mosques?hate speech etc?



And who the fuaark said tht? the voices in ur head? u talk abt these 2 girls... what abt the women NATO soldiers had raped in iraq? google it.... what abt Gitmo and baghram crimes?

Ever wonder why the evil muslims dislike you?


Most of the rapes are commited by ur own family members... have u seen the stats of ur country? not very encouragin..


Whatever... talkin to u is like bangin my head in a wall.... keep defending racism and discrimination....... Heil hitler.

Clearly, we have some opposing views, you having a more black and white world view than mine. But the notion remains, this mistreatment reported by AI clearly goes pale if you see the horrific crimes committed by the same members of that group on the rest of the society in a more grave and wide-scale manner. I'm more concerned, like most European people, of the crimes committed by immigrants than the alleged mistreatment of the Muslims in Europe. That said, these criminal activities in no justify discriminating Muslims, but it does tend to tilt the view of European Muslims in a negative manner by non-Muslims.

How can non-Muslims have positive view of Muslims if they read such ordeals:

Pakistani students raped woman, 20, after she fell asleep on night bus on way home from night out | Mail Online

I think you underestimate the level of crime committed by Muslim immigrant groups. And the effect it has.

 

[ksgokul]

Then again, why did you and millions of other Indians immigrate to Malaysia and to the Gulf states?

OK. The argument is not about people trying to find a better livelihood in a different country. It is about how a person, say a third generation chinese/indian are treated in that particular country. We are talking about only discrimination faced by them. In Europe, if you have born and lived there in that particular country, they don't treat you as a second grade citizen. But gulf/Malaysia doesn't treat the people the same way.
The question in every European's mind would be, how can his country provide equal opportunities to those people, who doesn't provide the same to them? How do you want to answer them?

 

[Audio]

Jailing Ahmad for 10 years, and Siddique for eight-and-a-half years, Judge Owen added: ‘If it is necessary I will recommend most strongly that you are deported at the conclusion of your sentence.’

I smell anti Muslim propaganda and discrimination!!!1

Though for real, Daily Mail isn't a source for your well balanced, hard to refute articles/arguments. It's a tabloid basically, blowing things out of proportion. I'd take that rape article with a pinch of salt (not saying it didnt happen)

 

[Cloakedvessel]

I smell anti Muslim propaganda and discrimination!!!1

Though for real, Daily Mail isn't a source for your well balanced, hard to refute articles/arguments. It's a tabloid basically, blowing things out of proportion. I'd take that rape article with a pinch of salt (not saying it didnt happen)

Agreed.

The same account, now less 'spicy'.

WALTHAMSTOW: 'Predatory' rapists jailed (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)

 

[anonymus]

You as a THINK TANK

When people use the terms such as

"Where are the Mods"

"You are a Think Tank/Senior member,at least pretend that your posts make logical sense"

I LOL so hard as these people do not understand that they are on an internet forum.Here anyone could be a think tank,Jedi master,or Grand wizard of Warcraft.

The person who is masquerading as a think tank may not even be a panwadi level "thinker" in real life.

Whining based on Online status is stupid.

If someone wants to see the Bias that moderators have.Visit this thread.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...r-how-could-one-not-want-show-world-what.html


ON Topic.

People who migrate to West already know the rules and customs of west.If they have a problem they should not migrate.Trying to force sharia down the throats of locals is intellectual dishonesty at best.

I would not expect Saudi's to become secular iff i migrate to Saudi arabia.

 

[Hussein]

Agreed.

The same account, now less 'spicy'.

WALTHAMSTOW: 'Predatory' rapists jailed (From East London and West Essex Guardian Series)

you understand you derail the thread to racist comment?
rapists are foreigners

they are many rapists who are white people. some are very famous in Europe: Dutrouc in Belgium raping kids, never heard about him?
this is non sense and unfair to give some affairs as proof of anything about a total population

People who migrate to West already know the rules and customs of west.If they have a problem they should not migrate.Trying to force sharia down the throats of locals is intellectual dishonesty at best.

It is what you think but many French don't think like you.
They are two different critics:
- the bad one saying the country they go is bullshit, and saying very negative and not constructive analysis
some people in this forum say to live in Europe but they say Westerns being bad... yeah these guys should leave
- there is a constructive critics that Europeans do themselves: when something seems to be unfair they think of changing it
like the article from Amnesty

can i ask you one question :
for exemple there is a famous association in France , respected by all politicians except fascist parti FN, the Jew organisation against discrimination : do you think these guys should leave France because when there is a problem they speak about it?

 

[Audio]

you understand you derail the thread to racist comment?
rapists are foreigners

they are many rapists who are white people. some are very famous in Europe: Dutrouc in Belgium raping kids, never heard about him?
this is non sense and unfair to give some affairs as proof of anything about a total population

He isnt being racist.
He is just pointing out that the majority of the Muslim populace comes to a bad reputation due to the actions of a few (not so few).
There are more links if that one in particular stirred you up too much, specifically on the difficulty Muslims have to integrate and the consequences it has.
All perfectly on topic explaining why the Muslim image in the western world is like it is.

 

[Hussein]

He isnt being racist.
He is just pointing out that the majority of the Muslim populace comes to a bad reputation due to the actions of a few (not so few).
There are more links if that one in particular stirred you up too much.
All perfectly on topic explaining why the Muslim image in the western world is like it is.

"not so few" is your opinion
i move inside the France territory and i don't see any problem with the Muslim population
but in the poor parts of the big city, where you can see black population mostly christian, arab mostly muslim, white bad guys mostly atheist . why there is an obsession about muslim?
answer is simple : that was the same obsession against Jews .. of course it was much worst for the Jews... but what i mean is that it is always easy to simplify the problem and say "immigration explains all problems" which is the political line of the Front National here, or "difference of culture explains the problems"

 

[eik_pagall]

Not only in Europe.
Everywhere @ Amnesty FCUKrs

 

[anonymus]

It is what you think but many French don't think like you.
They are two different critics:
- the bad one saying the country they go is bullshit, and saying very negative and not constructive analysis
some people in this forum say to live in Europe but they say Westerns being bad... yeah these guys should leave
- there is a constructive critics that Europeans do themselves: when something seems to be unfair they think of changing it
like the article from Amnesty

can i ask you one question :
for exemple there is a famous association in France , respected by all politicians except fascist parti FN, the Jew organisation against discrimination : do you think these guys should leave France because when there is a problem they speak about it?

If your description is completely honest(the underlined part creates doubt)......
No,those guys need not leave.

There are different type of criticisms.An muslim criticising War on Iraq falls within reasonable limits of criticism...........

But a person (migrant) saying

West is pure Evil,it is dar-ul-harb,it's inhabitants are immoral pigs,it is commendable to strap a bomb and blow up trains in london,people calling for sharia upon britain while enjoying benefits of the system needs to deported back.

Unfortunately all of the PDF members barring a microscopic minority who have migrated to western countries fell into that this category.