Musharraf’s N-technology disclosure embarrassed Pakistan: Foreign Office

[war&peace]

Hi,

You may share with me what you want---but my source was one of the pioneers of the program---and actual PHD nuc scientist and I lived with them when going to college and that was before AQ came into the picture---.

Hi Sir,

It has nothing to do with their technical qualification rather with human psychology. PAEC certainly had and has best nuclear scientists but they were trained on the conventional technique for nuclear power details of which I have briefly discussed in one of the posts here but it is suffice to say that the conventional path was long, slow, very expensive upfront and prone to the sanctions and even sabotage.

Dr. AQ Khan came with a very different technique which was pretty unique at that time and none of the PAEC scientist had any knowledge beyond may be basic physical concept. That allowed Pakistan to achieve its goal in the minimal time and that hurt the ego of very bureaucratic style functioning of the whole PAEC hierarchy that had slowed things for decades through its red tape-ism and other dilatory procedures. Thus PAEC "scientists" turned against him right from the start and thus they are a party and their words about Dr. AQ Khan should be taken with a big pinch of salt...the bigger the degree the bigger is the ego in Pakistan normally.

PDF open platform for all.. aren't you guys spoiling every thread related to India..

He is right...It is none of your business so better go to some other thread.

 

[!eon]

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

Do you know what KALA CHAPPRA was----have you heard the name of HINDENBURG---do you know what happened to Hindenburg---.

The engr just seperated hydrogen from oxygen---and it is the hydrogen fuel that is burning in the engine---but the problem is that hydrogen is extremely FLAMMABLE gas.

A n nation and many of my indian colleague made fun of water car engr---.

These kids---if they could have gone on google and just done their search---.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3428/4271579/

The water car engr Engr Waqar just seperated hydrogen from oxygen and used it as a fuel---.

Come on pakistanis---what can I do to make you more intelligent---is this going to be your virtue for ages to come.

Could you just not go on the web and do a web search on the topic.

And again---why don't we then use hydrogen as fuel thru this process---if you kids had attended your chemistry classes---and instead of thinking about girls and mastu-rbating your brains out---you would have learnt that hydrogen is an extremely HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE INFLAMMABLE gas and that can be a disaster in a vehicle in case of a collision resulting in a leak---.

For that reason---you hardly ever see a car in the U S running on natural gas even.

Sir he did a good job of separating the H gas from the H2O in process called electrolysis and he used the hydrogen to drive the engine and in turn the engine charged the batteries and batteries powered the electrolysis process thus apparently it seems a closed loop chain of producing energy but what was wrong with process is that due to 'real' world effect i.e. losses in chemical reactions, heat losses, frictional losses...the net is loss and and thus an external work input would be required to just to sustain the process at a steady state and much more work input would be required to generate any useful output from the system i.e. car to move and transport people.

He was a technician and lacked the understandings of the fundamental laws of the physics/thermodynamics. In todays world, we break down these processes in separate subprocesses i.e. (1) to generate fuel or energy for example fuel extraction and refining or electricity production and (2) use the fuel or energy to produce mechanical energy and do things like drive a car, machines or power the homes etc.

INFLAMMABLE is a different (safety) issue hydrogen is used in fuel cell based hybrid engines where the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen react at very fine sieves (permeable membranes) to produced H20 and release energy that powers the engine. However that extraction of H is done separately at some facility away from the car.

 

[!eon]

The water car engr Engr Waqar just seperated hydrogen from oxygen and used it as a fuel---.

what I came to know is that Agha sahib used calcium carbide with water to produce acetylene, which was stored in a rubber tube.

Sir he did a good job of separating the H gas from the H2O in process called electrolysis and he used the hydrogen to drive the engine and in turn the engine charged the batteries and batteries powered the electrolysis process thus apparently it seems a closed loop chain of producing energy but what was wrong with process is that due to 'real' world effect i.e. losses in chemical reactions, heat losses, frictional losses...the net is loss and and thus an external work input would be required to just to sustain the process at a steady state and much more work input would be required to generate any useful output from the system i.e. car to move and transport people.

He was a technician and lacked the understandings of the fundamental laws of the physics/thermodynamics. In todays world, we break down these processes in separate subprocesses i.e. (1) to generate fuel or energy for example fuel extraction and refining or electricity production and (2) use the fuel or energy to produce mechanical energy and do things like drive a car, machines or power the homes etc.

INFLAMMABLE is a different (safety) issue hydrogen is used if fuel cell based hybrid engines where the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen react at very fine sieves (permeable membranes) to produced H20 and release energy that powers the engine. However that extraction of H is done separately at some facility away from the car.

 

[MastanKhan]

what I came to know is that Agha sahib used calcium carbide with water to produce acetylene, which was stored in a rubber tube.

Hi,

Thank you for the post---m The purpose of my post was that thru certain chemical processing you can get a by product that is highly flammable and cause ignition in the engine compartment and burn like gasoline.

No---if you set that part aside---agreeing that somewhere in there---there is a way possible---his process and procedure was left wanting---.

He did not have his basic fundamentals right---his display was very shallow---it was not that of a professional ENGINEER who wants funding---he had poor explanation of what he was doing---his workmanship was extremely SHODY.

Just because a gas ignites in the combustion chamber and runs an engine is not enough---. We don't know if the combustion temperature is too hot---would it melt the pistons or rings or the spark plugs---etc etc etc---.

To top it off---he is doing it on a rental vehicle---without the permission of the owners---the car engine could be damaged amongst other things---.

So---basically---just because it ignites and burns may not mean that is is suitable for an internal combustion engine in a profitable manner---.

His presentation required a lots of technical explanations that he lacked---possibly---because he did not know about it either.

He must have seen the welders mix the concoction that lit into a hot flame and duplicated that---or he had a small container that performed electrolysis and seprated hydrogen from oxygen and he fed hydrogen into the combustion chamber---a lots of questions---.

 

[war&peace]

what I came to know is that Agha sahib used calcium carbide with water to produce acetylene, which was stored in a rubber tube.

No that's wrong!!!
He indeed used electrolysis since I followed that case very keenly so I remember the main details of what he claimed and that was "Paani se car chalai" and so he used electrolysis (which is not so difficult at all, you just need a glass container with electrodes (cathode and anode) connected to a high voltage source and brine)

.... as a refresher listen to this
PS: @MastanKhan

 

[django]

Hi,

Thank you for the post---m The purpose of my post was that thru certain chemical processing you can get a by product that is highly flammable and cause ignition in the engine compartment and burn like gasoline.

No---if you set that part aside---agreeing that somewhere in there---there is a way possible---his process and procedure was left wanting---.

He did not have his basic fundamentals right---his display was very shallow---it was not that of a professional ENGINEER who wants funding---he had poor explanation of what he was doing---his workmanship was extremely SHODY.

Just because a gas ignites in the combustion chamber and runs an engine is not enough---. We don't know if the combustion temperature is too hot---would it melt the pistons or rings or the spark plugs---etc etc etc---.

To top it off---he is doing it on a rental vehicle---without the permission of the owners---the car engine could be damaged amongst other things---.

So---basically---just because it ignites and burns may not mean that is is suitable for an internal combustion engine in a profitable manner---.

His presentation required a lots of technical explanations that he lacked---possibly---because he did not know about it either.

He must have seen the welders mix the concoction that lit into a hot flame and duplicated that---or he had a small container that performed electrolysis and seprated hydrogen from oxygen and he fed hydrogen into the combustion chamber---a lots of questions---.

He could have been easily exposed if they checked the exhaust for carbon dioxide fumes.Kudos sir

 

[MastanKhan]

He could have been easily exposed if they checked the exhaust for carbon dioxide fumes.Kudos sir

Hi,

As @war&peace mentioned it---it was thru electrolysis---and not acetylene---because acetylene flame is much much hotter---it would melt the pistons rings spark plugs cylinders---etc etc etc.

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

As @war&peace mentioned it---it was thru electrolysis---and not acetylene---because acetylene flame is much much hotter---it would melt the pistons rings spark plugs cylinders---etc etc etc.

Acetylene is used for welding due to high flame temperature.

 

[django]

Hi,

As @war&peace mentioned it---it was thru electrolysis---and not acetylene---because acetylene flame is much much hotter---it would melt the pistons rings spark plugs cylinders---etc etc etc.

Electrolysis cannot be performed on distilled water as water is dielectric, whatever he was adding could have been determined by examining fumes. correct me if I am wrong but he claimed he could carry out electrolysis on distilled water, no other material such as calcium carbide required only water alongside his water kit.Kudos

 

[!eon]

Electrolysis apparatus for automobile usage is available on ebay, which increases fuel efficiency up to 2 to 3%. BMW is working on concept since long. They were able to do that in extreme below 0 temperature.
Pure water is very bad electrolyte. As till today we can't find efficient way to split hydrogen bond from Oxygen. The energy needed to split bond is greater than energy realized. So, simple car battery is not enough to produce sufficient hydrogen

No that's wrong!!!
He indeed used electrolysis since I followed that case very keenly so I remember the main details of what he claimed and that was "Paani se car chalai" and so he used electrolysis (which is not so difficult at all, you just need a glass container with electrodes (cathode and anode) connected to a high voltage source and brine)
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.... as a refresher listen to this
PS: @MastanKhan

Of course it has higher burning temperature. It would certainly damage the engine.
But simple water electrolysis from car battery doesn't provide the answer either.

Hi,

Thank you for the post---m The purpose of my post was that thru certain chemical processing you can get a by product that is highly flammable and cause ignition in the engine compartment and burn like gasoline.

No---if you set that part aside---agreeing that somewhere in there---there is a way possible---his process and procedure was left wanting---.

He did not have his basic fundamentals right---his display was very shallow---it was not that of a professional ENGINEER who wants funding---he had poor explanation of what he was doing---his workmanship was extremely SHODY.

Just because a gas ignites in the combustion chamber and runs an engine is not enough---. We don't know if the combustion temperature is too hot---would it melt the pistons or rings or the spark plugs---etc etc etc---.

To top it off---he is doing it on a rental vehicle---without the permission of the owners---the car engine could be damaged amongst other things---.

So---basically---just because it ignites and burns may not mean that is is suitable for an internal combustion engine in a profitable manner---.

His presentation required a lots of technical explanations that he lacked---possibly---because he did not know about it either.

He must have seen the welders mix the concoction that lit into a hot flame and duplicated that---or he had a small container that performed electrolysis and seprated hydrogen from oxygen and he fed hydrogen into the combustion chamber---a lots of questions---.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

If AQK was smart enough he'd known the consequences of doing such.

He sold out himself, a greater man would have given the order-giver the finger.

People who sell themselves spend the rest of their lives in dubai. Not under house-arrests.

 

[Malik Usman]

 

[war&peace]

Electrolysis apparatus for automobile usage is available on ebay, which increases fuel efficiency up to 2 to 3%. BMW is working on concept since long. They were able to do that in extreme below 0 temperature.
Pure water is very bad electrolyte. As till today we can't find efficient way to split hydrogen bond from Oxygen. The energy needed to split bond is greater than energy realized. So, simple car battery is not enough to produce sufficient hydrogen



Of course it has higher burning temperature. It would certainly damage the engine.
But simple water electrolysis from car battery doesn't provide the answer either.

Bhai it is not about what is efficient or not rather what he did. Electrolysis is not a very efficient process but he did not think about that. He just did it. He does not know the science behind it. He is a technician who knows how to do but does not know what is going on behind the scenes.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

LANAT hai in p 25 hazar rupee pension dety hai A Q KHAN ko