Musharraf’s N-technology disclosure embarrassed Pakistan: Foreign Office

[war&peace]

Well libya case is not that simple ... kindly note that had it not been money from libya we would not have made the bomb ... things are more complicated here and lets not open another pandorabox ...



Even for a moment if we assumes that your allegations are correct and AQK is not even a scientist ... Do you know our PAEC (I mean no disrespect to our heros of PAEC) failed to made the nuclear through Plutonium route and it was Dr. AQK who succeed in getting the enriched Uranium (which is the most difficult in highly enriched type of nuclear bomb) ... So basically when PAEC failed in start AQK succeded ...

On another thread I was listening to another poster who was bitching about Dr. Samar Mubarakmand claim of coal gasification in Thar ...

Just one question to you ,,, what is your qualification to comment on issues like that? Are you nuclear scientists working at a senior position in AKQ lab or PAEC?o STFU and start respecting your heroes ...

All your words are true bro.
Some fools are pretending to be experts here but they are nothing more than ungrateful disrespectful kids who have no knowledge of science and lack common sense.

Today Pakistan, MashaAllah, has both Pu (Plutonium) and U (Uranium) based nuclear programs. In reality though Pu based program is also based on U-238 which is far more available isotope of uranium than U-235 which is used in the U-based program. However U-238 is relatively stable so it needs to be converted to Pu through nuclear transmutation (I'm skipping intermediate steps) and then Pu is used in the nuclear reaction called fission that produces the energy and neutrons. While in U-235 reaction the U is directly used so Pu based has obvious advantages but it has some disadvantages and that is requires "reprocessing" of the nuclear waste and thus a long chain of facilities required to produce the energy and Pu for weapons while U235 can be separated from U238 using the phenomena of centrifuging and density difference. Getting higher ratio of U-235 (fissile material) as part of the fuel is called enrichment process and enrichment above 90% is required for a nuclear device and that is where Dr. A. Q. Khan comes into the picture with his skills centrifuging and the design of centrifuges that made it possible for Pakistan to leap frog and make a nuclear device for test in a relatively very short time and much less budget and procurements and thus by 1983 Pakistan had a testable device and by 1986 Pakistan had devices ready and acc. to some reports Pakistan tested its device in a friendly country.

the timing of this statement is imaculate

very well planned and well played Khawaja Asif.

while his boss is discredited and kicked out of the office and he is ranting against army and Judiciary in Lahore... and Donald Tump is ragin Against the imbecile of North Korea... Nawaz party decides that its a good time to put pressure on Pakistani state and its military and bring it to its knees and as the America is looking for alternative power (like Northern alliance thuglords against Taliban inside Afghanistan) present Nawaz league as a compliant party that will not only sterilize Pakistani nuclear technology but counter the Pakistan army as well if it gets "sufficient" support from Americans.


Musharraf says that there was no chance to deny it when he was presented with our models and our centrifuges which the Libyans and Iranians had admitted to the inspectors.
he had to admit the proliferation. Americans wanted the head of Dr Qadir but he denied that and even access to him. that was the least he could do. had it been a democratic government then who knows he would have been flown away in a CIA plane.
whether or not Pak military/ establishment was complicit in the proliferation is irrelevant and its a waste of time to blame Qadeer alone either because both Libyans and Iranians admitted that he got our help.

but one thing that did happen after this event is that Dr Qadeer laboratories came under the supervision of PAEC and their independent status was abolished conflict of interest and segregation of duties is very paramount in running sensitive organisations that are of strategic interest to the state. the head of KRL did have autonomous procurement and logistics operations with little to no audit about expenditures but like I said it changed as the nuclear command authority was instituted and more stringent controls were implemented after this episode.
something which successive American administrations have acknowledged.

I wish to agree with your words sir but P. Musharraf has lied so many times that it becomes impossible to convince myself to believe what he says. That is why a man's credibility is of paramount importance. He may be saying the truth but it is really difficult for me to reconcile different parts of his statements. The only part of this story I still believe is the ouster of NS, not because Musharraf is truthful rather NS is the biggest liar in our entire history.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So you think the North Korean leadership is capable of acting independently of its only major ally? Not likely at all. And ignore my comments all you like, USA's best "friend" in the entire region remains the Pakistan Army, and it will step up to do whatever is needed when needed, I am quite sure. Besides, NK is not my main interest, but Pakistan is, so I regards it as the sideshow that it is in reality.

thats just your opinion man (quote from the Prophet of Dudeism)
and thats my opinion too that North Korean regime is self feeding and perpetuating and beyond the control of China now. if China had any say or control over it then it would have told it to play it easy and do away with missile testing and ranting. there is a guy in the white house who has a very thin skin and has pretty much delegated wars to his generals.
instead of Pakistan your focus should be America and where its money is going.
yes you managed to save few millions by stopping our payments but the bill inside Afghanistan re Northern Alliance upkeep is running in the tune of tens of billions . their leaders dont even have to pretend and hide as they smuggle your taxpayer money out of the country. all they have to do is throw in ISI, Haqqanis and Pakistan army in any sentence that is few sentences long and job done.

I wish to agree with your words sir but P. Musharraf has lied so many times that it becomes impossible to convince myself to believe what he says. That is why a man's credibility is of paramount importance. He may be saying the truth but it is really difficult for me to reconcile different parts of his statements. The only part of this story I still believe is the ouster of NS, not because Musharraf is truthful rather NS is the biggest liar in our entire history.

there is no issue with believing or not believing when what he writes in the book is quoted and presented by third parties as well. our older model centrifuges were photographed by the inspectors and presented to us along with confessions by both Iranians and Libyans. inside Pakistan we might get away with saying "Mera Kasoor kya hay..?" but this doesn't sell outside Pakistan. there was nothing left to deny or contradict. it became irrelevant if Qadeer acted alone or if other state institutions were also complicit because Pakistani state as an entity was put on the line here.

 

[VCheng]

thats just your opinion man (quote from the Prophet of Dudeism)
and thats my opinion too that North Korean regime is self feeding and perpetuating and beyond the control of China now. if China had any say or control over it then it would have told it to play it easy and do away with missile testing and ranting. there is a guy in the white house who has a very thin skin and has pretty much delegated wars to his generals.
instead of Pakistan your focus should be America and where its money is going.
yes you managed to save few millions by stopping our payments but the bill inside Afghanistan re Northern Alliance upkeep is running in the tune of tens of billions . their leaders dont even have to pretend and hide as they smuggle your taxpayer money out of the country. all they have to do is throw in ISI, Haqqanis and Pakistan army in any sentence that is few sentences long and job done.

The more NK attracts attention, the less spotlight there is on the situation in the South China Sea. Quite a useful tactic, wouldn't you agree? Besides, I would trust a US General in this matter than the orangutan presently holding the top elected office.

As far as American money is concerned, it is just another potent tool, financed by a robust economy. As long as the US economy is doing well, there is absolutely nothing to worry about, and not just for USA, but globally.

The same holds true for Pakistan too. It must get its economy in order before chronic water and power shortages cause widespread civil unrest. The time window is shrinking day by day.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The more NK attracts attention, the less spotlight there is on the situation in the South China Sea. Quite a useful tactic, wouldn't you agree? Besides, I would trust a US General in this matter than the orangutan presently holding the top elected office.

As far as American money is concerned, it is just another potent tool, financed by a robust economy. As long as the US economy is doing well, there is absolutely nothing to worry about, and not just for USA, but globally.

The same holds true for Pakistan too. It must get its economy in order before chronic water and power shortages cause widespread civil unrest. The time window is shrinking day by day.

 

[MastanKhan]

Anyone claiming that he has found a way around the laws of thermodynamics is definitely a fraud.

The laws of thermodynamics are termed "laws" as they have been rigorously tested in numerous ways. The laws have stood the the test of time as well.

If someone (including Agha Waqar) claims to break these laws, he should come up with a theoretical framework for such claim. I would love see some mathematical explanation for such a claim.



Tameez say baat karo. Tolerate my opinion. You can continue to worship that fraudia AQ Khan, I don't care.


Chalein aap kehtay hein to maan laytay hein.

Hi,

Do you know what KALA CHAPPRA was----have you heard the name of HINDENBURG---do you know what happened to Hindenburg---.

The engr just seperated hydrogen from oxygen---and it is the hydrogen fuel that is burning in the engine---but the problem is that hydrogen is extremely FLAMMABLE gas.

A n nation and many of my indian colleague made fun of water car engr---.

These kids---if they could have gone on google and just done their search---.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3428/4271579/

The water car engr Engr Waqar just seperated hydrogen from oxygen and used it as a fuel---.

Come on pakistanis---what can I do to make you more intelligent---is this going to be your virtue for ages to come.

Could you just not go on the web and do a web search on the topic.

And again---why don't we then use hydrogen as fuel thru this process---if you kids had attended your chemistry classes---and instead of thinking about girls and mastu-rbating your brains out---you would have learnt that hydrogen is an extremely HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE INFLAMMABLE gas and that can be a disaster in a vehicle in case of a collision resulting in a leak---.

For that reason---you hardly ever see a car in the U S running on natural gas even.

 

[VCheng]

Anyone claiming that he has found a way around the laws of thermodynamics is definitely a fraud.

The laws of thermodynamics are termed "laws" as they have been rigorously tested in numerous ways. The laws have stood the the test of time as well.

If someone (including Agha Waqar) claims to break these laws, he should come up with a theoretical framework for such claim. I would love see some mathematical explanation for such a claim.

Apparently, those "laws" of thermodynamics are just some dude's opinions.

 

[CriticalThought]

there is no issue with believing or not believing when what he writes in the book is quoted and presented by third parties as well. our older model centrifuges were photographed by the inspectors and presented to us along with confessions by both Iranians and Libyans. inside Pakistan we might get away with saying "Mera Kasoor kya hay..?" but this doesn't sell outside Pakistan. there was nothing left to deny or contradict. it became irrelevant if Qadeer acted alone or if other state institutions were also complicit because Pakistani state as an entity was put on the line here.

Why did he reveal the NK angle in his book? This guy sold Pakistan to make money. Amongst many other things that he has done.

 

[Lavrentiy]

Apparently, those "laws" of thermodynamics are just some dude's opinions.

How hard it is to understand that one cannot have an output more than or even equal to the input.

There is nothing we can do about it.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi Sir,
You cannot duly pay even 10% of his work so bringing pay grade into discussion is simply idiotic and irrelevant. It is not about the quantity of the work rather the quality of the work that mattered in that project and I'm telling that if it was not for Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan's innovative and revolutionary work, Pakistan would not have succeeded in nuclear program and I don't have the time for going into details of the plutonium and uranium route but it is sufficient to say that technique employed by Dr. A. Q. Khan was the most suitable for Pakistan as it enabled Pakistan to achieve its goal within the shortest feasible time (window of opportunity) i.e. prior to the finish of the Afghan Soviet war in ~1985- 87 and have few deliverable devices before 1990s and that exactly Pakistan did thanks to the pioneering work of Dr. A. Q. Khan and that hurt egos of a lot of elephants and lizards in nuclear program / bureaucracy who had GoP chase the mirage of conventional / (plutonium based) nuclear program. So we are indebted to his work that has secured Pakistan's defence.

Hi,

You may share with me what you want---but my source was one of the pioneers of the program---an actual PHD ( nuc phys )scientist and I lived with them when going to college and that was before AQ came into the picture---.

 

[VCheng]

How hard it is to understand that one cannot have an output more than or even equal to the input.

There is nothing we can do about it.

Well, there are none as blind as those who do not wish to see.

Comprehension can be hard under those circumstances, but that is just my opinion.

 

[Suriya]

NSG membership anyone?????

Money? Gold? Missile?

Chinese to Pakistan and to North Korea....

What did they get in return????Missile

I think this is where you and I part ways.

We are a nation. We have collective thinking. AQ Khan never needed appreciation from the west so he showed them the finger.

He is a true Pakistani.

His sacrifice is my motivation

He and the top brass army made loads of money on the sidelines too. They also got missile tech from NK in return. So work + pleasure everything was there .
AQ khan was made the sacrificial lamb with full assurance nothing except his reputation will be touched .

 

[El Sidd]

What did they get in return????Missile


He and the top brass army made loads of money on the sidelines too. They also got missile tech from NK in return. So work + pleasure everything was there .
AQ khan was made the sacrificial lamb with full assurance nothing except his reputation will be touched .

None of your business

 

[Suriya]

None of your business

Pakistan's nuke program is none of our biznass ? You couldn't be more wrong buddy . Anyways carry on .

 

[danger007]

None of your business

PDF open platform for all.. aren't you guys spoiling every thread related to India..

 

[El Sidd]

PDF open platform for all.. aren't you guys spoiling every thread related to India..

Man this guy wrote a book.

Nobody cares. He is 20 years behind now