Musharraf’s N-technology disclosure embarrassed Pakistan: Foreign Office

[The Accountant]

If AQK was smart enough he'd known the consequences of doing such.

He sold out himself, a greater man would have given the order-giver the finger.

Thats stupid ... he was following his countries policy ... what you expect from a patriotic man ?

 

[Lavrentiy]

Allah apko hidayat de

Aur Allah humari qoum ko aqal day. Aajkal, hidayat say ziada humein aqal ki ziada zaroorat hai.

 

[El Sidd]

Aur Allah humari qoum ko aqal day. Aajkal, hidayat say ziada humein aqal ki ziada zaroorat hai.

Hidayat or aqal aik cheez hain

 

[The Accountant]

My heart bled tears of blood when I say Dr. A. Q. Khan on the television, reading out what was obviously a script handed to him. His face held so much pain, so many feelings that he was suppressing, all for this land, his beloved land. This man put everything on the line. Even his good name and reputation. All we can do is to salute this man. That is all we can do, really.

But let us remember Musharraf isn't the only enemy. The likes of Libya who gladly handed over fissile material and showed the whole world centrifuge designs originating from Pakistan are also to blame. One dictator, Moammar Ghaddafi met his end. The next dictator is Musharraf.

Well libya case is not that simple ... kindly note that had it not been money from libya we would not have made the bomb ... things are more complicated here and lets not open another pandorabox ...

Aur Allah humari qoum ko aqal day. Aajkal, hidayat say ziada humein aqal ki ziada zaroorat hai.

Even for a moment if we assumes that your allegations are correct and AQK is not even a scientist ... Do you know our PAEC (I mean no disrespect to our heros of PAEC) failed to made the nuclear through Plutonium route and it was Dr. AQK who succeed in getting the enriched Uranium (which is the most difficult in highly enriched type of nuclear bomb) ... So basically when PAEC failed in start AQK succeded ...

On another thread I was listening to another poster who was bitching about Dr. Samar Mubarakmand claim of coal gasification in Thar ...

Just one question to you ,,, what is your qualification to comment on issues like that? Are you nuclear scientists working at a senior position in AKQ lab or PAEC?o STFU and start respecting your heroes ...

 

[Lavrentiy]

Hi,

So you think Agha Waqar was a fraud---?

Anyone claiming that he has found a way around the laws of thermodynamics is definitely a fraud.

The laws of thermodynamics are termed "laws" as they have been rigorously tested in numerous ways. The laws have stood the the test of time as well.

If someone (including Agha Waqar) claims to break these laws, he should come up with a theoretical framework for such claim. I would love see some mathematical explanation for such a claim.

STFU and start respecting your heroes ...

Tameez say baat karo. Tolerate my opinion. You can continue to worship that fraudia AQ Khan, I don't care.

Hidayat or aqal aik cheez hain

Chalein aap kehtay hein to maan laytay hein.

 

[The Accountant]

Anyone claiming that he has found a way around the laws of thermodynamics is definitely a fraud.

The laws of thermodynamics are termed "laws" as they have been rigorously tested in numerous ways. The laws have stood the the test of time as well.

If someone (including Agha Waqar) claims to break these laws, he should come up with a theoretical framework for such claim. I would love see some mathematical explanation for such a claim.



Tameez say baat karo. Tolerate my opinion. You can continue to worship that fraudia AQ Khan, I don't care.


Chalein aap kehtay hein to maan laytay hein.

Phly tm tameez sy baat kero and stop calling "farudia" to our national hero ... otherwise I will treat you in same language you ahsan framoosh ...

 

[nair]

NSG membership anyone?????

What did they get in return???? Money? Gold? Missile?

Chinese to Pakistan and to North Korea....

 

[war&peace]

But let us remember Musharraf isn't the only enemy. The likes of Libya who gladly handed over fissile material and showed the whole world centrifuge designs originating from Pakistan are also to blame. One dictator, Moammar Ghaddafi met his end. The next dictator is Musharraf.

Let's not forget Iran... and both Libya and Iran failed in benefiting from it. Soon Iran will also meet the same end as Libya.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

ISLAMABAD: The disclosure made by retired General Pervez Musharraf in his 2006 autobiography that Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan transferred sensitive nuclear material to North Korea had come as a big embarrassment to the country, an official of the Foreign Office said on Friday at a meeting of the Senate’s Foreign Relations Committee.

The disclosure had forced the Foreign Office on the defensive and left it with no choice but to regurgitate the standard response that Pakistan was firmly against nuclear proliferation, the additional secretary said.

Foreign diplomats viewed the statement with scepticism and disbelief, he added.

The Foreign Office reply came in response to a question by Senator Farhatullah Babar as to what was North Korea’s official reaction to Pervez Musharraf’s revelation in his memoir, In the Line of Fire, that a clandestine proliferation network operating from Pakistan had transferred nearly two dozen centrifuge machines, a flow meter and some special oils to North Korea.

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“Had such an irresponsible disclosure been made by a civilian minister or a bureaucrat, he would have been sent to the gallows, but Musharraf got away with it because he was a general,” Senator Farhatullah observed.

The official reaction to Pervez Musharraf’s disclosures would help this committee better understand “the nature and depth” of Pakistan-North Korea relations, he added.

The committee was also briefed on Islamabad’s relations with Tokyo and the government’s position on territorial disputes in the Strait of Malacca.

The meeting, chaired by Senator Nuzhat Sadiq, was attended by Senators Mushahid Hussain Sayed, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Shibli Faraz, Dr Karim Khawaja, Tahir Hussain Mashhadi and Farhatullah Babar.

Published in Dawn, August 12th, 2017

the timing of this statement is imaculate

very well planned and well played Khawaja Asif.

while his boss is discredited and kicked out of the office and he is ranting against army and Judiciary in Lahore... and Donald Tump is ragin Against the imbecile of North Korea... Nawaz party decides that its a good time to put pressure on Pakistani state and its military and bring it to its knees and as the America is looking for alternative power (like Northern alliance thuglords against Taliban inside Afghanistan) present Nawaz league as a compliant party that will not only sterilize Pakistani nuclear technology but counter the Pakistan army as well if it gets "sufficient" support from Americans.

Let's not forget Iran... and both Libya and Iran failed in benefiting from it. Soon Iran will also meet the same end as Libya.

Musharraf says that there was no chance to deny it when he was presented with our models and our centrifuges which the Libyans and Iranians had admitted to the inspectors.
he had to admit the proliferation. Americans wanted the head of Dr Qadir but he denied that and even access to him. that was the least he could do. had it been a democratic government then who knows he would have been flown away in a CIA plane.
whether or not Pak military/ establishment was complicit in the proliferation is irrelevant and its a waste of time to blame Qadeer alone either because both Libyans and Iranians admitted that he got our help.

but one thing that did happen after this event is that Dr Qadeer laboratories came under the supervision of PAEC and their independent status was abolished conflict of interest and segregation of duties is very paramount in running sensitive organisations that are of strategic interest to the state. the head of KRL did have autonomous procurement and logistics operations with little to no audit about expenditures but like I said it changed as the nuclear command authority was instituted and more stringent controls were implemented after this episode.
something which successive American administrations have acknowledged.

 

[VCheng]

Nawaz party decides that its a good time to put pressure on Pakistani state and its military and bring it to its knees and as the America is looking for alternative power (like Northern alliance thuglords against Taliban inside Afghanistan) present Nawaz league as a compliant party that will not only sterilize Pakistani nuclear technology but counter the Pakistan army as well if it gets "sufficient" support from Americans.

Sir, "the America" know that their most able, reliable and compliant ally in Pakistan is the Army, not the politicians.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir, "the America" know that their most able, reliable and compliant ally in Pakistan is the Army, not the politicians.

"SIR"
this feeling is mutual. army to army relations are much better than what's in teh public eye.

read the rest of the post as well.

re North Korean issue, I recall Musharraf's interview where he suggested using special forces to take out Sadam instead of invading the entire country but America went with the invasion.
I think it will be much better to take out that lunatic through a targeted attack because the North Korean leadership is based on this homicidal maniac who has pretty much eliminated almost all of his family members including half brothers and uncles etc. it will fall like a deck of cards instead of being a danger to the region.

 

[The Deterrent]

Hi,

DR. A Q KHan---bit way beyond his pay grade---. He steamrolled over the lives of some very capable scientists just to look good in front of the public and be the baby of the media---.

But then the pak nuc program also used him well---they showed him as their face ( the deceit ) whereas capable scientists worked in other arenas and completed the job---.

Just like he used the media---similarly he got used by the powers to be---.

The other nations attentions was diverted towards him most of the time---while the work was being done by very capable people---.

DR. A Q was a pawn in the hands of the powers in pakistan.

If he was really somebody and that big of a criminal---do you people really think that the americans would let him go---.

His position did indeed give him a lot of power in pakistan for a long time.

I second all of that, except that he didn't just wanted fame. He tried to actually run a nuclear black market by himself. While the involvement of the establishment was limited to 'bartering' of technologies for mutual interests, he went ahead to generate revenue for himself. He was one of the main reasons why the Chinese decided to stop extending major favors to Pakistan in this domain.

 

[VCheng]

"SIR"
this feeling is mutual. army to army relations are much better than what's in teh public eye.

read the rest of the post as well.

re North Korean issue, I recall Musharraf's interview where he suggested using special forces to take out Sadam instead of invading the entire country but America went with the invasion.
I think it will be much better to take out that lunatic through a targeted attack because the North Korean leadership is based on this homicidal maniac who has pretty much eliminated almost all of his family members including half brothers and uncles etc. it will fall like a deck of cards instead of being a danger to the region.

The main issue is not North Korea, but China. It is working to create two very useful "allies" to its east and west, for future use. But as long as USA can rely on its "bestest fraand" in Pakistan, it has no real problems.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The main issue is not North Korea, but China. It is working to create two very useful "allies" to its east and west, for future use. But as long as USA can rely on its "bestest fraand" in Pakistan, it has no real problems.

I beg to disagree, North Korean leadership is a liability for China.
they must be livid over that immature boy who has increased the war hysteria and that is bad for business.
they have no leverage over that homicidal maniac. they cant even threaten him with sanctions because he wont give a toss about his people. he will have enough lobsters and french wine to last him for a very long time. while his people can starve to death for the motherland and their dear leader.


(purposefully ignoring the bait re "fraand" for now)

 

[VCheng]

I beg to disagree, North Korean leadership is a liability for China.
they must be livid over that immature boy who has increased the war hysteria and that is bad for business.
they have no leverage over that homicidal maniac. they cant even threaten him with sanctions because he wont give a toss about his people. he will have enough lobsters and french wine to last him for a very long time. while his people can starve to death for the motherland and their dear leader.


(purposefully ignoring the bait re "fraand" for now)

So you think the North Korean leadership is capable of acting independently of its only major ally? Not likely at all. And ignore my comments all you like, USA's best "friend" in the entire region remains the Pakistan Army, and it will step up to do whatever is needed when needed, I am quite sure. Besides, NK is not my main interest, but Pakistan is, so I regards it as the sideshow that it is in reality.