Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[PakSarzameen5823]

Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis are of the same race/ethnicity.

If that's the case, then why is it that:

1. Seraikis, Pothwaris and Hindkowans are practically non-existent among Indian Punjabis?
2. Why are there almost no Indian Punjabis of Kashmiri, Pashtun or Baloch heritage?
3. Why are Pakistani Punjabi tribes like Awans, Arains, Qureshis, Syeds, Ansaris, Barras, Mughals, etc not common among Indian Punjabis?

Even beyond that, there are numerous differences between Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis. For example, Pakistani Punjabis write in Shahmukhi, which Indian Punjabis can't even read, let alone use.

Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis are not the same, and if you think so, go live in Indian Punjab and see for yourself just how different they are.

In fact, Pakistanis from the South of Indus are closer to North Indians (racially, ethnically and linguistically) compared to Pakhtuns and Balochs.

am a Canadian of Scottish descent

Then why are you so obsessed with Pakistanis and Indians? Seems pretty odd, the Western members here tend to focus on their own matters primarily. Are you starting to see why we don't believe you>

But then you folks live with Indians

No we don't, we're in two different countries.

you folks speak like Indians

Because we ruled over them for so long that they decided to rip off our beautiful Mughlai language (Urdu) and create a defective version of it (Hindi).

you folks dress like Indians

LMAO no we don't, I'm yet to see an Indian who isn't Muslim that wears a headscarf, a skull cap, the same type of shalwar kameez as us, and I'm yet to see a Pakistani who wears bindi or a sari (except for the Muhajirs, I know they dress more like Indians but they're a minority, just like Muslim Indians).

you folks even have common dance and songs

No, it's just that a lot of Pakistanis tend to consume Indian media, and a lot of Indians tend to consume Pakistani media. The actual dances and songs that we both view as part of our culture is very minimal, the only exception is Punjabi music and dances.

you folks flock to common movies

That literally means nothing.

you folks even intermarry as well

The overwhelming majority of Muslims would NEVER marry a Hindu lol. To give you some perspective on how low on the list they are, many of us would rather marry an Israeli over them.

and heck about 70-80 years back you folks used to live together with Indians

Only Punjabis, Kashmiris and Muhajirs. Punjabis+Kashmiris make up less than 5% of India, and Muhajirs make up about 7% of Pakistan.

Heck your own leader was born somewhere in India, I guess?

You guess wrong, Imran Khan's family are of Pashtun heritage, so they have more in common with Afghanistan than India.

Fact is that no matter what we do, we can not change the fact that we are not middle eastern.

 

[Progressive1]

religion counts alot and most of people living in Pakistan migrated from india after partition which indicates that their race is that of indian and not Pakistan as their ancestors were living in india before partition so how their race can differ from those indians who are living there today pathans and balochs are much closer to afghanistan and iran in their race than punjabis and sindhis and indians

no you are absolutely wrong , Most Pakistanis are native to land and even than most migration was from Indian Punjab of many of them were Arains who themselves had origin in lands of Pakistan and than migrated to Indian Punjab some centuries back. Also many people who migrated from UP were Mulsim elite and they differed from average UP person. I am sure you are some karachi muhajir trying to make all Pakistanis Indians.Saying that this doesnt mean that we share nothing with Indians , we do share a lot with some Indians but its highly exaggerated by Karachi Muhajirs and Central Punjabis(Lahoris) and sadly these regions produce a lot diaspora resulting in popularity of stupid terms like desi among diaspora Pakistanis.

read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
"The 1951 Census of Pakistan recorded that the largest number of Muslim refugees came from the East Punjab and nearby Rajputana states (Alwar and Bharatpur). They were a number of 5,783,100 and constituted 80.1% of Pakistan's total refugee population.[128] This was the effect of the retributive ethnic cleansing on both sides of the Punjab where the Muslim population of East Punjab was forcibly expelled like the Hindu/Sikh population in West Punjab.

Migration from other regions of India were as follows: Bihar, West Bengal and Orissa, 700,300 or 9.8%; UP and Delhi 464,200 or 2.4%; Gujarat and Bombay, 160,400 or 2.2%; Bhopal and Hyderabad 95,200 or 1.2%; and Madras and Mysore 18,000 or 0.2%.[128]

So far as their settlement in Pakistan is concerned, 97.4% of the refugees from East Punjab and its contiguous areas went to West Punjab; 95.9% from Bihar, West Bengal and Orissa to the erstwhile East Pakistan; 95.5% from UP and Delhi to West Pakistan, mainly in karachi division of Sindh; 97.2% from Bhopal and Hyderabad to West Pakistan, mainly Karachi; and 98.9% from Bombay and Gujarat to West Pakistan, largely to Karachi; and 98.9% from Madras and Mysore went to West Pakistan, mainly Karachi.[128]

West Punjab received the largest number of refugees (73.1%), mainly from East Punjab and its contiguous areas. Sindh received the second largest number of refugees 16.1% of the total migrants while Karachi division of sindh received 8.5% of the total migrant population. East Bengal received the third largest number of refugees, 699,100, who constituted 9.7% of the total Muslim refugee population in Pakistan. 66.69% of the refugees in East Bengal originated from West Bengal, 14.50% from Bihar and 11.84% from Assam.[129]

NWFP and Baluchistan received the lowest number of migrants. NWFP received 51,100 migrants (0.7% of the migrant population) while Baluchistan received 28,000 (0.4% of the migrant population).

The Government undertook a census of refugees in West Punjab in 1948, which displayed their place of origin in India."

 

[M. Sarmad]

If that's the case, then why is it that:

1. Seraikis, Pothwaris and Hindkowans are practically non-existent among Indian Punjabis?
2. Why are there almost no Indian Punjabis of Kashmiri, Pashtun or Baloch heritage?
3. Why are Pakistani Punjabi tribes like Awans, Arains, Qureshis, Syeds, Ansaris, Barras, Mughals, etc not common among Indian Punjabis?

Even beyond that, there are numerous differences between Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis. For example, Pakistani Punjabis write in Shahmukhi, which Indian Punjabis can't even read, let alone use.

Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis are not the same, and if you think so, go live in Indian Punjab and see for yourself just how different they are.

I do not need to learn about the history of my ancestral land and my people from a Punjab hating Afghani refugee

None of the points you raised is worthy of a serious reply.

Try harder, Afghani

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

None of the points you raised is worthy of a serious reply.

No, you're just unable to respond to them because you've been caught with your pants down. If you think Indians are similar to us go live with them. Pakistan wasn't made for you.

 

[M. Sarmad]

No, you're just unable to respond to them because you've been caught with your pants down. If you think Indians are similar to us go live with them. Pakistan wasn't made for you.

and now a mofo Afghani refugee is telling Pakistanis to leave Pakistan

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

and now a mofo Afghani refugee is telling Pakistanis to leave Pakistan

No, a Pakistani is telling a stranded Indian to join his kin on the other side.

 

[M. Sarmad]

No, a Pakistani is telling a stranded Indian to join his kin on the other side.

You are just a worthless namak haram Afghani..
Now **** off

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So you think Im a retard just because I do not agree with you?
It is sad that parents these days do not teach their kids how to make a decent conversation.
Fact is that no matter what we do, we can not change the fact that we are not middle eastern.

Or perhaps your parents consider them bharti & taught you bastardised history taken from bharti textbooks instead of the real stuff? Not talkin bout Pak studies.

Good point. I am more curious why you guys are so hell-bent on assuming"We are totally different" while all the facts point to the contrary. I brought my Scottish descent to drive home the point that ethnicity and nationality are not one and the same thing.

You know it is looking more and more like Dragon in my Garage argument (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage). The more you are trying hard to push it back, the harder it comes back to you. Because it is a simple fact. Now look at yourself, you have to act like a 5-year old with all these smileys to look sarcastic and "in control", run-away from a fair and final arbiter about this similarity question and now you have to resort to shooting the messenger because you can't handle the message.

It has all the hallmarks of losing the argument and not being graceful about it.

Than a “scotish descent” indian should perhaps take a good fking look at books by the likes of David Omissi, Richard Burton and so on?

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

You are just a worthless namak haram Afghani..

And you're just an Indian whose family was too scared to make the migration.

Now **** off

Why don't you try and make me Mr Singh?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

difference is only due to religion which is basis of our culture and way of living

Unless you think a sindhi looks like a marathi , wears the same clothes, speaks the same language, eats the same food, follows same culture, has similir physical features?

If this guy

can write a book and claim how people of Sindh are different than “hindustanis” be it their culture or physical & facial features.. than perhaps you pan bharti wannabes should smell the coffee too.



This is my message for all who claim Pakistanis are same as biharis,madrasis,gujratis and whatnot;

 

[M. Sarmad]

And you're just an Indian whose family was too scared to make the migration.

Well, my ancestral village in Shakragarh Tehsil of Narowal District in Punjab province was founded by my tenth great-grandfather around three hundred years ago. He came from a nearby village that was founded by his ancestors several hundred years ago... We, unlike you, are the true sons of the soil, Afghani... I love my identity and I am proud of my ethnicity, culture, heritage, race, religion, and nationality.

Why don't you try and make me Mr Singh?

I am not a Singh...
And make an account/handle with your real name first, then maybe I will try

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Well, my ancestral village in Shakragarh Tehsil of Narowal District in Punjab province

Which is bang-on the border, a fact that only makes me more firm in my assumption of you being a stranded Indian.

We, unlike you, are the true sons of the soil

No you're not, you're a stranded Indian. That's why you think you're the same as them, why you want to celebrate Basant, why you honour Ranjit Singh, etc. Your very village is right on the border.

I love my identity

You don't even know what your identity is.

I am proud of my ethnicity, culture, heritage, race, religion, and nationality.

Lmao fat chance!

I am not a Singh...

You said you're the same as them, so what's wrong if I give you the same name?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Which is bang-on the border,

*A man-made nation-state (Narowal-Gurdaspur) border, not a natural one
and the working boundary(Narowal-Kathua/Jammu); a disputed border

---crap-----

You don't even know what your identity is.

Again, I do not need to learn about my 'identity' from a clueless Namak Haram Afghani refugee hiding in Pakistan who mocks Jinnah and then pretends to be a patriotic Pakistani

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

*A man-made nation-state (Narowal-Gurdaspur) border, not a natural one

So you consider Pakistan's borders unnatural? So much for being a patriot lol.

I do not need to learn about my 'identity'

Clearly you do, because you're confused about what it is.

Namak Haram Afghani refugee

By Allah, ar-rahman ar-raheem, I am not an Afghan nor am I a refugee. If you don't believe me at this point, that's your problem, not mine. Nobody else is taking you seriously.

who mocks Jinnah

I'd like to see proof of me doing that.

 

[M. Sarmad]

So you consider Pakistan's borders unnatural? So much for being a patriot lol.

Yes, it's unnatural and unfair; Entire Punjab belonged to us.
We didn't even get the Muslim majority parts.

Shakargarh Tehsil was a part of Muslim majority Gurdaspur District which was unfairly transferred to India. The tehsils of Ferozepur and Zira in Ferozepur districts, Nakodar and Jalandhar in Jalandhar district, Ajnala in Amritsar district and Gurdaspur and Batala in Gurdaspur district had a Muslim majority and were almost contiguous to West Punjab, yet they were given to East Punjab or the Indian Punjab.

Clearly you do, because you're confused about what it is.

Clearly, you are absolutely clueless on what you are going on about.

By Allah, ar-rahman ar-raheem, I am not an Afghan nor am I a refugee. If you don't believe me at this point, that's your problem, not mine.

You know very well that I call you Afghani because you use Afghani flags on other forums.
Do you deny it? By Allah?

I'd like to see proof of me doing that.

Again, do you deny that you once went as far as using a disfigured image of Jinnah as your dp?
Have you never tried to insult/mock Jinnah? By Allah ar-rahman ar-raheem?