How PUNJAB came to dominate the Army

[Sayfullah]

Punjabi Sikhs were majority of British army.
Punjabi Muslims were as much enemy of Ranjeet Singh as anyone else.
The British forced many people into the army and killed them for resisting as well.
The sacrifices Punjabi Muslims made for Punjabis, Muslims of the region and, Pakistan are immense and, they are still making sacrifices. Their sacrifices always get forgotten and overshadowed.
But that doesn’t matter. Punjabi Muslims don’t care about having to prove anything to anyone. We like enemies who under estimate us and think of us as nothing. We like them because their underestimating us leads us to victory.

 

[TheSolution]

Punjabi Sikhs were majority of British army.
Punjabi Muslims were as much enemy of Ranjeet Singh as anyone else.
The British forced many people into the army and killed them for resisting as well.
The sacrifices Punjabi Muslims made for Punjabis, Muslims of the region and, Pakistan are immense and, they are still making sacrifices. Their sacrifices always get forgotten and overshadowed.
But that doesn’t matter. Punjabi Muslims don’t care about having to prove anything to anyone. We like enemies who under estimate us and think of us as nothing. We like them because their underestimating us leads us to victory.

Punjabi Muslims are fools and naive. They have consistently till this day been taken advantage of under the pretext of Muslim bradars. It needs to come to an end and the ethnic tribal context of war should be told openly.

I am very firm in my faith but I must point out the Sikhs having an indigenous Punjabi religion has benefited them immensely. Punjabi Musalman have failed to internalise the religion or view the ethnic dynamics of conflicts.

Pan Islamism and ummah chummah has been and is a curse.

 

[Goenitz]

Another view.. I actually took my views from Dr Moeed. Here, he is reiterating.
@M. Sarmad @Maula Jatt

 

[TheSolution]

Another view.. I actually took my views from Dr Moeed. Here, he is reiterating.
@M. Sarmad @Maula Jatt

When is Moeed gonna speak up about Punjabi genocide?

This political stuff is a ploy to take away attention from Punjabi genocide.

 

[Goenitz]

When is Moeed gonna speak up about Punjabi genocide?

This political stuff is a ploy to take away attention from Punjabi genocide.

Which one? Partition one?

 

[Ssan]

Punjabi genocide is real. Punjabi hatred is real. The Punjabis have been neutered. The Muhajirs, Pashtuns, Baloch and Sindhis are teaming up against the Punjabis in a multi-pronged and multi-directional attack on both kinetic and non-kinetic front.

Your province is being invaded, your taxes are being siphoned, your identity, language and culture is under direct dehumanisation and the liberals are playing their full part to justify it politically. Lahori elites and the woke activists are the allies of the enemies of Punjab. Imran Khan is playing his part in Punjabi genocide and had planned to flood Panjab with "masoom" Afghanis, and the liberal woke brigade would justify it.

It's not long left till Punjab will be renegaded to something similar to Karachi, where everyone else will demand authority and perks in the land and the natives will be sidelined. There will be discussion on who it truly belongs to - the Punjabis or the countless soft invaders changing the demographics?

Has Punjab fallen already, or is there still time to save it? @Maula Jatt

I fear the people are right to assume Punjabis as the political "white people" of Pakistan, in the sense that we all know the white people in the west are correct in reality but just not politically, but we know they couldn't defend their land from the cultural invasion and demographic altering. Punjab's time is next.

Punjab has nothing to worry about, even if everyone else comes lives in Punjab, the Punjabis will still be the majority.

You gave the example of what happened with Karachi. Muhajjirs were targeted by the establishment- denied economic opportunities, made to endure being ruled over by feudals. In Karachi, they never complained about Punjabis or Sindhis or even Baloch coming to live here. Not once. Voted JI throughout. The only thing people really complained about were the afghan refugees (in the 80s) that first came with drugs and then later with guns to protect the drug trade.

Also what is the evidence that Punjabis have been exploited tax wise? How much taxes do they pay and how much revenue do they consume? Can we pull out charts and figures and look at this and also break it down to seperate out Karachi from rest of Sindh?

 

[Ssan]

Look here is the narrative- it’s pretty straightforward and it lays out how different groups feel they are discriminated, that they give more and receive less:-

Karachi people: feel they pay taxes and bankroll the rest of the country but don’t get enough funds for our own city- before or after the 18th amendment. Might be wrong but that is the narrative.

Sindh people: feel that the water is not shared as per past agreements and that Punjab consumes more water than agreed.

Baloch people: feel that the resources they provide to the rest of the federation they do not get adequate recompense for it, ie Sui gas.

KPK people: complain that they were drone striked but no one cared then.

Punjab people: would love to understand how exactly the state has screwed you all over.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Another view.. I actually took my views from Dr Moeed. Here, he is reiterating.
@M. Sarmad @Maula Jatt

Well Ofcourse you did, Urban, posh urdustanis will take anything that's been fed to them with little thaught or self respect or looking for knowledge on that subject on your own

Look here is the narrative- it’s pretty straightforward and it lays out how different groups feel they are discriminated, that they give more and receive less:-

Karachi people: feel they pay taxes and bankroll the rest of the country but don’t get enough funds for our own city- before or after the 18th amendment. Might be wrong but that is the narrative.

Sindh people: feel that the water is not shared as per past agreements and that Punjab consumes more water than agreed.

Baloch people: feel that the resources they provide to the rest of the federation they do not get adequate recompense for it, ie Sui gas.

KPK people: complain that they were drone striked but no one cared then.

Punjab people: would love to understand how exactly the state has screwed you all over.

Open up any country on earth - on Earth where port cities don't earn the most money

That's not because of people in it, it's the location, it gathers revenues from throughout the country, it exports products from throughout the country, it's the entry, exit point of the country, it's the easiest place to export product from, it's where all of our company HQs are based even if most of their revenues come from anywhere else - Karachi's affairs are with Sindh government ask them, it's thier City

This or look for city based devolution reforms - Karachi is not someone else's problem except for Sindh government and people of Karachi

That's literally what 18th amendment is, federal government is not powerful legally speaking yet all of the expenses are given by the fed government- you need a mass protest movement or something for Sindh government to give y'all autonomy cause only they have the authority to do so

 

[SaadH]

Another view.. I actually took my views from Dr Moeed. Here, he is reiterating.
@M. Sarmad @Maula Jatt

Watch from 22 min onward, very interesting historical analysis, despite being majority punjabi Muslims let a small minority of sikh brutally subjugate them for 70 years. The same attitude exists today where authorities and powerful are worshipped despite their oppressive behavior and downtrodden helpless are crushed and no one e rebels or stands up against them.

Punjabi Muslims are fools and naive. They have consistently till this day been taken advantage of under the pretext of Muslim bradars. It needs to come to an end and the ethnic tribal context of war should be told openly.

I am very firm in my faith but I must point out the Sikhs having an indigenous Punjabi religion has benefited them immensely. Punjabi Musalman have failed to internalise the religion or view the ethnic dynamics of conflicts.

Pan Islamism and ummah chummah has been and is a curse.

Punjabi Muslims have been fooled and taken advantage by their Sikh brethren, English masters, feudal lords and Gaddi nasheen pirs more than anyone in history.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Watch from 22 min onward, very interesting historical analysis, despite being majority punjabi Muslims let a small minority of sikh brutally subjugate them for 70 years. The same attitude exists today where authorities and powerful are worshipped despite their oppressive behavior and downtrodden helpless are crushed and no one e rebels or stands up against them.


Punjabi Muslims have been fooled and taken advantage by their Sikh brethren, English masters, feudal lords and Gaddi nasheen pirs more than anyone in history.

History have proven punjabis stood by anti-establshment leaders. Nawaz popularity was because of that and now Imran Khan is using same rethoric. And mind you establishment itself is believed to be majority punjabi.

So Punjabis are fighting against their own for bettermen and rule of law in this country.

Meanwhile baloch/sindhi worship their sardaars like gods. Pashtuns follow their tribal heads and anti-punjab nationalists. Muhajirs follow terrorist Altaf Hussain. All of them do it out of hatred of other which is easy.

 

[SaadH]

History have proven punjabis stood by anti-establshment leaders. Nawaz popularity was because of that and now Imran Khan is using same rethoric. And mind you establishment itself is believed to be majority punjabi.

So Punjabis are fighting against their own for bettermen and rule of law in this country.

Meanwhile baloch/sindhi worship their sardaars like gods. Pashtuns follow their tribal heads and anti-punjab nationalists. Muhajirs follow terrorist Altaf Hussain. All of them do it out of hatred of other which is easy.

Yeah like Bhutto the poster child of establishment politician and the one who they groomed from a young age.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Watch from 22 min onward, very interesting historical analysis, despite being majority punjabi Muslims let a small minority of sikh brutally subjugate them for 70 years. The same attitude exists today where authorities and powerful are worshipped despite their oppressive behavior and downtrodden helpless are crushed and no one e rebels or stands up against them.


Punjabi Muslims have been fooled and taken advantage by their Sikh brethren, English masters, feudal lords and Gaddi nasheen pirs more than anyone in history.

So the Afghani arse licker is back in the thread with his anti Punjab venom...

Read up a little on Ranjeet Singh's empire and Army. Ranjit Singh was invited by Lahori Muslims (Arains) to rid the city of Bhangi/Kanhiya misl Sikh tyrants who had been ruling Lahore for 30 years. Muslims helped him conquer the city (and he generously rewarded them). Ranjit Singh built a few new mosques and restored some others (Sonehri mosque for example) in the city. He wasn't a 'mosque-destroyer' as alleged by some, but Sikhs generally hated Mughals (as the latter had killed Sikh gurus) and were not very fond of Mughal structures. Badshahi mosque was seen more as a symbol of Mughal legacy (than a Muslim worship place) by Sikh rulers. Ranjit Singh otherwise was generally tolerant of all religions (including Islam). He had many Muslims in his Army, his foreign minister and home minister were muslims (Faqeer family of Lahore). He set up separate courts for Muslims (and appointed Nizam ud din as chief Qazi) and so on ....

He, however, was brutal towards your Afghani ancestors and subjugated the barbarians

 

[Maula Jatt]

So the Afghani arse licker is back in the thread with his anti Punjab venom...

Read up a little on Ranjeet Singh's empire and Army. Ranjit Singh was invited by Lahori Muslims (Arains) to rid the city of Bhangi/Kanhiya misl Sikh tyrants who had been ruling Lahore for 30 years. Muslims helped him conquer the city (and he generously rewarded them). Ranjit Singh built a few new mosques and restored some others (Sonehri mosque for example) in the city. He wasn't a 'mosque-destroyer' as alleged by some, but Sikhs generally hated Mughals (as the latter had killed Sikh gurus) and were not very fond of Mughal structures. Badshahi mosque was seen more as a symbol of Mughal legacy (than a Muslim worship place) by Sikh rulers. Ranjit Singh otherwise was generally tolerant of all religions (including Islam). He had many Muslims in his Army, his foreign minister and home minister were muslims (Faqeer family of Lahore). He set up separate courts for Muslims (and appointed Nizam ud din as chief Qazi) and so on ....

He, however, was brutal towards your Afghani ancestors and subjugated the barbarians

Our brothers in AJk, potohar, south Punjab dislike all of it
Don't do that, ignore it if you want but that just alienates people- I would never get behind it

And Adina baig didn't took care of the problem when he had the means to easily take care of it- in the end we had to suffer especially the hills people
That showed a lack of ruthless in realpolitik

 

[Mirzali Khan]

History have proven punjabis stood by anti-establshment leaders. Nawaz popularity was because of that and now Imran Khan is using same rethoric. And mind you establishment itself is believed to be majority punjabi.

So Punjabis are fighting against their own for bettermen and rule of law in this country.

Meanwhile baloch/sindhi worship their sardaars like gods. Pashtuns follow their tribal heads and anti-punjab nationalists. Muhajirs follow terrorist Altaf Hussain. All of them do it out of hatred of other which is easy.

Who voted for Nawaz in 2013 ?

PTI was put on the stage in KPK in 2012, when it defeated ANP. To this day, ANP still struggles to have any votes.

Karachi is held hostage by PPP.

So the Afghani arse licker is back in the thread with his anti Punjab venom...

Read up a little on Ranjeet Singh's empire and Army. Ranjit Singh was invited by Lahori Muslims (Arains) to rid the city of Bhangi/Kanhiya misl Sikh tyrants who had been ruling Lahore for 30 years. Muslims helped him conquer the city (and he generously rewarded them). Ranjit Singh built a few new mosques and restored some others (Sonehri mosque for example) in the city. He wasn't a 'mosque-destroyer' as alleged by some, but Sikhs generally hated Mughals (as the latter had killed Sikh gurus) and were not very fond of Mughal structures. Badshahi mosque was seen more as a symbol of Mughal legacy (than a Muslim worship place) by Sikh rulers. Ranjit Singh otherwise was generally tolerant of all religions (including Islam). He had many Muslims in his Army, his foreign minister and home minister were muslims (Faqeer family of Lahore). He set up separate courts for Muslims (and appointed Nizam ud din as chief Qazi) and so on ....

He, however, was brutal towards your Afghani ancestors and subjugated the barbarians

He never went past DG Khan and Jamrud. So FATA, Southern Pashtun areas, and Baloch areas never were under his rule.

His empire only lasted 50 years. He was also brutal towards your people as well. And his actual descendants did the worst stuff doing partition.

 

[Goenitz]

Well Ofcourse you did, Urban, posh urdustanis will take anything that's been fed to them with little thaught or self respect or looking for knowledge on that subject on your own

ok man.

Watch from 22 min onward, very interesting historical analysis, despite being majority punjabi Muslims let a small minority of sikh brutally subjugate them for 70 years. The same attitude exists today where authorities and powerful are worshipped despite their oppressive behavior and downtrodden helpless are crushed and no one e rebels or stands up against them.

Yup.. I listened entirely, found interesting so shared it.