Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent

[Cobra Arbok]

I mean, surely Pakistan is part of Western Europe.

No, it's part of Scandanevia. Iceland used to be a part of Pakistan.

 

[Dalai Lama]

No, it's part of Scandanevia. Iceland used to be a part of Pakistan.

Let's just put it on the North pole and call it a day.

 

[Hamza913]

So let us finally settle this "debate" once and for all

Picking random pictures/videos means nothing.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Picking random pictures/videos means nothing.

yes I know. I tried to pick photos from a variety of different locations to make it more fair. As I said, skin color really doesn't mean much in terms of similarities/differences. There are plenty of peoples who look similar but cannot be more different, and South Asia is a good example of this. It just annoys me that some posters turn interesting topics of discussion into discussions on physical appearance, usually to prove superiority. So I was just trying to bring those few posters back to reality.

Good to see you back BTW.

 

[Hamza913]

yes I know. I tried to pick photos from a variety of different locations to make it more fair. As I said, skin color really doesn't mean much in terms of similarities/differences. There are plenty of peoples who look similar but cannot be more different, and South Asia is a good example of this. It just annoys me that some posters turn interesting topics of discussion into discussions on physical appearance, usually to prove superiority. So I was just trying to bring those few posters back to reality.

Good to see you back BTW.

Yeah I agree. Saying Indians and Pakistanis are different from each other is one thing, but saying Pakistanis are totally different to Indians is silly. We're neighbours (without a major land barrier between us), so there will inevitably be some similarity.

And we're both still brown, so many of us looking similar is to be expected.

 

[Sindhi(Indus)]

This is a curious little fact I managed to stumble across. It turns out that geographically, most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent. How? Let me explain:

Most of us know that the Indus river has been the traditional western boundary of the Indian sub-continent, and that this therefore means KPK, Balochistan and Gilgit Baltistan are not a part of the Indian sub-continent. However, what a lot of people don't actually know is that the total area of all these provinces is larger than the total area of all of Pakistan's provinces that are a part of the Indian sub-continent (Punjab+Sindh+AK+Islamabad capital territory).

Total area of Pakistan: 796096 square km

Area of Balochistan: 347190 square km

Area of KPK: 74521 square km

Area of FATA (now a part of KPK): 27220 square km

Area of GB: 72971 square km

Total area of above provinces: 521902 square km

Sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/2010122...k/depts/pco/statistics/area_pop/area_pop.html

https://unpo.org/article/15483?id=15483

@django @Pakhtoon yum @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @ghazi52 @khanmubashir @RealNapster @Indus Pakistan @Talwar e Pakistan @Chakar The Great

No horrible information

Sindh is the only land that routinely was separated from India

Mohajirs???
We punjabis are Indian ancestry, Bajwa chattha jatt etc etc. So are the Sindhi. Only pushton and Baluch are Iranic.

Sindhis were never Indian ancestry

Sindhis were always R1a and U5 in their gene make up

Iranic is a language not a genetic race

African Americans speak English does that make them Anglo Saxon?

Punjabis make up less than 3% of india's population but around 60% of Pakistan's population. So at least 97% of india's population HAVE NOTHING in common with 100% of Pakistan's population in terms of race, physical appearence and genetics. But this is a moot point. 30% of Pakistan's population is Pathan and Baloch. They have dna from ancient Persian/Central Asian nomadic tribes. That doesn't make us Pakistanis; Persian or Middle Eastern just as it doesn't make us racially indian.

Sindhis were never Indian people

The only race in the region that historically had their own land mass was Sindhis

Words like Punjab and Balochistan just arrived into existence

Yeah I agree. Saying Indians and Pakistanis are different from each other is one thing, but saying Pakistanis are totally different to Indians is silly. We're neighbours (without a major land barrier between us), so there will inevitably be some similarity.

And we're both still brown, so many of us looking similar is to be expected.

No your upper caste Hindus are brown the majority of India is not

 

[Mr Happy]

Punjabi is an ethnicity and you (or anyone else for that matter) accepting it or not won't change this FACT

And no matter how much you want to deny it the fact remains that Pakistani Punjabis share common ancestry, ethnicity, language, culture etc with Indian Punjabis



A Punjabi marrying Non-Punjabi in Pakistan is an exception (that too limited to large urban centers only), and not a norm



Ethnically, No
Culturally, Yes

Ethnicity can be determined by race, religion, language, culture, or nationality.
So, a person can be ethno-linguistically Punjabi/Panjabi by speaking the Punjabi/Panjabi language.

One can be ethno-geographically Punjabi/Panjabi by being a resident of the Punjab province.

One can also be ethno-culturally Punjabi/Panjabi by following or adhering to Punjabi/Panjabi culture.

One can not be ethno-racially Punjabi/Panjabi as Punjab does not signify a race.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yeah I agree. Saying Indians and Pakistanis are different from each other is one thing, but saying Pakistanis are totally different to Indians is silly. We're neighbours (without a major land barrier between us), so there will inevitably be some similarity.

And we're both still brown, so many of us looking similar is to be expected.

But Pakistan also borders Iran and Afghanistan. They too are our neighbours. So do we also share similarities with them too?

 

[Hamza913]

But Pakistan also borders Iran and Afghanistan. They too are our neighbours. So do we also share similarities with them too?

Of course.

 

[Mr Happy]

But Pakistan also borders Iran and Afghanistan. They too are our neighbours. So do we also share similarities with them too?

You are correct. Pakistani people have similarities with Afghanistan, Iran, India, etc.

Ethnicity can be determined by race, religion, language, culture, or nationality.
So, a person can be ethno-linguistically Punjabi/Panjabi by speaking the Punjabi/Panjabi language.

One can be ethno-geographically Punjabi/Panjabi by being a resident of the Punjab province.

One can also be ethno-culturally Punjabi/Panjabi by following or adhering to Punjabi/Panjabi culture.

One can not be ethno-racially Punjabi/Panjabi as Punjab does not signify a race.

I will give you a suggestion. One can usually find out one's racial origin by family names, language, culture, physical features, and there is also DNA testing.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You are correct. Pakistani people have similarities with Afghanistan, Iran, India, etc.

As far as indians are concerned, we ONLY have any sort of similarity with indian Punjabis who make up around 3% of india's population.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are correct. Pakistani people have similarities with Afghanistan, Iran, India, etc.

With India, we have been diverging from them for more than 70 years, and probably longer than that.

Commonalities maybe with Sikhs and Some Indian Muslims.

We are closest to Afghanistan and our ties to Iran are from the time of IVC and Iranic migration.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Ethnicity can be determined by race, religion, language, culture, or nationality.
So, a person can be ethno-linguistically Punjabi/Panjabi by speaking the Punjabi/Panjabi language.

One can be ethno-geographically Punjabi/Panjabi by being a resident of the Punjab province.

One can also be ethno-culturally Punjabi/Panjabi by following or adhering to Punjabi/Panjabi culture.

One can not be ethno-racially Punjabi/Panjabi as Punjab does not signify a race.

The concept of ethnicity contrasts with that of race.
Punjabis, just like Pashtuns, are a complex ethno-linguistic group with a unique culture of their own.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Geographically speaking everything East of Indus River is part of South Asia, while the land West of Indus River is Central Asia. The term Middle East is a relatively new term. Countries like Iran, Northern Iraq, Northern Syria and Eastern Turkey were considered as part of Central Asia. Basically all areas of people of Turko/Iranic backgorund were considered part of Central Asia, including Turkestan (Now called Xinjiang, part of China)

 

[Crusher]

Geographically speaking everything East of Indus River is part of South Asia, while the land West of Indus River is Central Asia. The term Middle East is a relatively new term. Countries like Iran, Northern Iraq, Northern Syria and Eastern Turkey were considered as part of Central Asia. Basically all areas of people of Turko/Iranic backgorund were considered part of Central Asia, including Turkestan (Now called Xinjiang, part of China)

Absolutely baseless, middle east is the oldest civilized area of this world, the civilization as we know it today (living different than animals, means living in agricultural settlements as compared to animal like nomadic life). Western Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey have always been cradel of civilization of middle east. This BS of central asia is anglo-american created hype, it was mostly inhabited in the past by animal like nomadic poor people who were mostly dacoits and bandits.