Maoists Vs Taliban Who will win?

[Teeta]

Hah. The United States systematically radicalized our environment for their own benefits. You don't get to hide behind the hapless state of Pakistan to cover up your sins.

I don't buy your theory on religion either because Islamic ideology was deliberately induced to perversion by foreign(read American) influences.

Though true, but this wasn't any "sin". The REAL mistake of administration was to leave Taliban unattended after Soviet withdrawal. We should have "de-brainwashed" these students , dismantled their organization, and sent them back to their respective countries. But U.S tried to come out as "clean" from all this issue, we pretended as if we had nothing to do with Taliban to begin with. Too bad, it is haunting us now.

And yes, I already admitted that Islamic Ideological Force was manipulated to achieve certain goals....

By the way, Pakistanis were also with us on this...

 

[Icarus]

I don't know about Taliban's influence in the educated society, Maoists have now reached the elite class of Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers, Writers etc. But these class have opted for non violent means.

The Taliban have sympathizers in the more educated albeit conservative strata of society, these educated individuals have been known to render their services to the Taliban either directly or by financing their operations. Case in point, Aafia Siddiqui to the Afghan Taliban.

Also, Maoists don't have that quality of weapons and their supply which Taliban has. Also, the field of operation of Maoists and Taliban are different. Terrain, geographical location, weather etc. all play an important role and hence distinguishes both the groups.

Agreed, they are vastly distinct in their modus operandi and the terrain in which they function.

Secondly, Maoists have been effectively countered in many areas, not only through security but also through developmental and rehabilitation programs. Problem in Taliban case is that the Taliban soldiers don't have any other option and even if they leave they might become target of their own people just because they deserted them. And no guarantee of these people where even US soldiers are not safe.

The Pakistan Army runs a program for Talib rehab that is helping foot soldiers who are not fully influenced by the ideology, return to normal life but I agree, the government needs to provide greater opportunities to these people to stop them from relapsing.

So we are talking about different region, different social structure, different ideologies and different fire power. That's why this whole comparison is useless.

Very apt point.

If one wants to study them comparatively, they should look at how these groups grew. The dynamics associated with one group may be analogous to other.

That would further complicate the comparison, I believe the OP was referring to a comparison of raw fire power.

 

[cyphercide]

Bomb the capital- Coverage, Attention, Strike Fear, Make yourself relevant.\

Propaganda-Taliban have their own online video channel, own written publications, over 5000 blogs and forums and over 30 radio channels (At their peak) in FATA. The Maoists don't come close in matters of propaganda.

Fingerprints of an unaware or possibly motivated group. The Maoists survive mostly on indigenous support and so they are sensitive in pulling off crap like that.

Did you know that a Maoist is paid a regular stipend and the next of kin looked after in the case of demise? The Maoists pull out all the stops when it comes to looking after their own. This is why they still retain a faithful band of supporters even in the public spectrum.

 

[KRAIT]

Though true, but this wasn't any "sin". The REAL mistake of administration was to leave Taliban unattended after Soviet withdrawal. We should have "de-brainwashed" these students , dismantled their organization, and sent them back to their respective countries. But U.S tried to come out as "clean" from all this issue, we pretended as if we had nothing to do with Taliban to begin with. Too bad, it is haunting us now.
And yes, I already admitted that Islamic Ideological Force was manipulated to achieve certain goals....By the way, Pakistanis were also with us on this...

Good to see you got my point in the other thread when we discussed Taliban. This point was worth mentioning here.

You are right about foreign funding which made them more deadly in terms of fire power especially.

 

[Icarus]

Fingerprints of an unaware or possibly motivated group. The Maoists survive mostly on indigenous support and so they are sensitive in pulling off crap like that.

Did you know a Maoist is paid a regular stipend and the next of kin looked after in the case of demise? The Maoists pull out all the stops when it comes to looking after their own which is why they still retain a faithful band of supporters even in the public spectrum.

I know, the Maosists are running a parallel government like the TTP were in FATA. That calls for them to take care of their supporters but here's where the TTP and Maosists diverge in their belief. The TTP feel it is their moral obligation to attack those who resist their ideology whereas the Maoists are happy in their own little bubble.

 

[Srinivas]

Fight for what and suicide bomber possible? I bet one Taliban suicide bomber would kill dozens of Maoists.
When a man do not afraid of death, he will be the strongest. Ten suicide bombers would kill two hundred Maoists.

When a man is not afraid of death he will be reckless and less impulsive since he is there to die (Sui side bomber). A man who wants to return after fight victoriously will be more vigilante and applies all his skill to kill the enemy so Maoists gets thumps up.

Motivation to return victoriously will give the momentum here.

 

[KRAIT]

@Icarus Taliban is based on establishment of Islamic ideology where as Maoists are based on economic oppression by the State, Maoists problem can be easily handled if State agrees to compensate them financially and provide them economic security where as Taliban is based on religion which is very difficult to handle and oppress. They won't stop unless their version of Islam is applied everywhere in Afghanistan.

If we would have spent same amount of money US spent against Taliban, for the development of the region, Maoists would have been thing of past.

 

[cyphercide]

Though true, but this wasn't any "sin". The REAL mistake of administration was to leave Taliban unattended after Soviet withdrawal. We should have "de-brainwashed" these students , dismantled their organization, and sent them back to their respective countries. But U.S tried to come out as "clean" from all this issue, we pretended as if we had nothing to do with Taliban to begin with. Too bad, it is haunting us now.

And yes, I already admitted that Islamic Ideological Force was manipulated to achieve certain goals....

By the way, Pakistanis were also with us on this...

Yeah right. There's like this switch in Muslims that can be turned off in case of emergencies....

And what does Pakistani compliance signify as you keep throwing up? As if things are kosher if Pakistan says so....

 

[cyphercide]

I know, the Maosists are running a parallel government like the TTP were in FATA. That calls for them to take care of their supporters but here's where the TTP and Maosists diverge in their belief. The TTP feel it is their moral obligation to attack those who resist their ideology whereas the Maoists are happy in their own little bubble.

True. However, I need to point out that the Maoists wouldn't know the first thing to do if they were ever to command authority. The TTP don't either but I'm guessing the public might be more receptive to their ideology.

 

[Baby Leone]

I guess Talibans are more stronger cz maoists are just internal movement in india & doesnt have any support outside, but we all know abt Taliban esp TTP hav support of several countries.

 

[Zarvan]

Allow me to correct:

Dead Taliban have beaten the Soviets..............

Most of them are alive who destroyed the soviets and they will destroy USA really very soon and will come back in power

 

[Koovie]

Taliban ! They fought against the Soviets and the Americans! Their morale is much higher than those of the maoists. They are willing to die for their cause, I ve never heard of Taliban surrendering in large numbers after they were offered social rehabilitation etc...

+They even use much better weapons as compared to the reds.

 

[sreekimpact]

There is no other better, more brutal, more well equipped, more experienced, more dedicated, and more fanatical insurgent group than the Talibans!

Talibans will CRUSH groups like Maoists or say Sri Lankan Tamils , or Thai insurgent etc...

There is no match of Global Islamic Jihad-Assymetric Warfare Mode.

Where ever these guys are fighting (Russia, Philippines, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Israel-Palestine Area, Yemen, Nigeria, etc), they are leaving their mark!

So no, Maoists are just tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 'innocent and young' infront of a monster like Talibans and other fanatical Islamic Jihad Organizations.

You have no idea what LTTE were capable of when it was in its full glory !

almost every tactic what taliban is using now , including attacks of airports etc...is a direct copy of LTTE.

They are yet to copy kuppi ( cyanide bottle).... ...

 

[Koovie]

I don't know about Taliban's influence in the educated society, Maoists have now reached the elite class of Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers, Writers etc. But these class have opted for non violent means.

Also, Maoists don't have that quality of weapons and their supply which Taliban has. Also, the field of operation of Maoists and Taliban are different. Terrain, geographical location, weather etc. all play an important role and hence distinguishes both the groups.

Secondly, Maoists have been effectively countered in many areas, not only through security but also through developmental and rehabilitation programs. Problem in Taliban case is that the Taliban soldiers don't have any other option and even if they leave they might become target of their own people just because they deserted them. And no guarantee of these people where even US soldiers are not safe.

So we are talking about different region, different social structure, different ideologies and different fire power. That's why this whole comparison is useless.

If one wants to study them comparatively, they should look at how these groups grew. The dynamics associated with one group may be analogous to other.

I guess you are talking about socialist ideas that have reached this classes and not hard core communism. No educated person with access to a free media etc would ever advocate a communist society.

socialist ideas not necessarily mean hardcore communism.

@Icarus Taliban is based on establishment of Islamic ideology where as Maoists are based on economic oppression by the State, Maoists problem can be easily handled if State agrees to compensate them financially and provide them economic security where as Taliban is based on religion which is very difficult to handle and oppress. They won't stop unless their version of Islam is applied everywhere in Afghanistan.

If we would have spent same amount of money US spent against Taliban, for the development of the region, Maoists would have been thing of past.

Many maoists are simply villagers caught between the crossfire who were forced to join them.

 

[Slav Defence]

Yeah,but What about in Neutral terrains like Cities or let's say Antatctica?

Inshallah both will be freezed in ANTARTICA