Maoists Vs Taliban Who will win?

[KRAIT]

I guess you are talking about socialist ideas that have reached this classes and not hard core communism. No educated person with access to a free media etc would ever advocate a communist society.
socialist ideas not necessarily mean hardcore communism.
Many maoists are simply villagers caught between the crossfire who were forced to join them.

Yup. There are few school of thoughts which often confuse people and all are labelled as terrorists.

Maoist movement is based on village people and their oppression by state.

 

[Ayush]

I don't know about Taliban's influence in the educated society, Maoists have now reached the elite class of Engineers, Doctors, Lawyers, Writers etc. But these class have opted for non violent means.

Also, Maoists don't have that quality of weapons and their supply which Taliban has. Also, the field of operation of Maoists and Taliban are different. Terrain, geographical location, weather etc. all play an important role and hence distinguishes both the groups.

Secondly, Maoists have been effectively countered in many areas, not only through security but also through developmental and rehabilitation programs. Problem in Taliban case is that the Taliban soldiers don't have any other option and even if they leave they might become target of their own people just because they deserted them. And no guarantee of these people where even US soldiers are not safe.

So we are talking about different region, different social structure, different ideologies and different fire power. That's why this whole comparison is useless.

If one wants to study them comparatively, they should look at how these groups grew. The dynamics associated with one group may be analogous to other.

can you elaborate on ur first line,about them reaching the elites?

 

[Sashan]

In the scenario you're mentioning - Whosoever gets lucky & takes most of the 10 out first !

In real life - The Taliban & I'd tell you why !

For the Taliban winning is to 'not loose' which means they will never surrender, they win or they die ! And because Muslims breed like rabbits the canon fodder is ever available which means after this generation is done, the next will fight & after the next the next !

Such was the case in the Afghan War & the Taliban are from the same people & the same remnants of the Mujahideen in the so-called 'Afghan Jihad' !

I am not going to agree or dispute you but want to add to what you said - there is no next generation beyond these 10 maos as these guys go through vasectomy when they join the organization.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/maoists-accused-of-forcing-vasectomy-on-cadres/1/171608.html

 

[Slav Defence]

i CAN'T believe this!this is height of stupidity!you all even are COMPARING your worse harmful enemies?


whether MAOISTS or TTP, both are extrememly harmful for India and Pakistan!,therefore instead of comparing that my enemy is better then yours,we should find a way to get rid of both of them!

 

[KRAIT]

can you elaborate on ur first line,about them reaching the elites?

The ideology of Maoist faction that is against state because of rampant oppression and denial of rights of the poor people in the villages is spreading in educational class and they are spreading this opposition of state by non-violent means and are influencing other people with good educational background and say in society to join them.

It shouldn't be taken as extended arm of violent Maoists. Many of them have opened NGOs for education of poor which also include awareness among the people about their constitutional rights and denial of it by the State.

@trinity Kindly pitch in explaining this phenomenon as you are more knowledgeable in this subject.

 

[Babbar-Khalsa]

If there is a fight between a squad of 10 Maoists Combatants and a group of 10 Taliban Fighters,Which has a higher Chance of Winning?

Moist specility :-

1. They remain hidden , they put IED in the field , your contigent passes , they press button and then all of them start firing.

2. They attack in large numbers 100-200 .

3. They use a mix of weaponary ranging from .303 to AK.

Taliban :-

1. They are also hidden and attack with RPGs and machine gun fire from a distance.

2. Mostly their weapons are AKs and Machine guns and RPGs.

On comparison , since Taliban have survived Russians and US , i think Talibans will wipe out the Moists . Though, if Moists are sitting for ambush , then it would be other way round.

 

[untitled]

If there is a fight between a squad of 10 Maoists Combatants and a group of 10 Taliban Fighters,Which has a higher Chance of Winning?

You wanna bet ?

Where would you put your money ?

 

[funtoosh]

Uhhh, "Last 300 years" ? Exactly. Out of 1400 years, Muslims are on the recieving end for 300 years...but what about 1100+ years?

From Spain to Northern Middle-East, From Asia Minor to Constantinople, From Jerusalem to Acre , From Egypt to Algeria, From Tunisia to Morocco etc..Islamic Armies didn't only defeat Christians, but for the most part, Islam just ideologically eradicated Christianity! Hundreds of millions of "Muslims" today are actually "ex-Christians" .... Can Christianity/Christendom even claim 1% of what Islam did to it?

On ideological level : Islam holds COMPLETE victory.
On Military and Political level : It is a mix for both Christendom and Islamic World...Sometimes, one had the upper hand, while the other times, other had the upper hand.

From last 300 years however, its secular West (Christian majority) having upper hand. The day Muslims left their science and technology and went to "Allah will do it for us" belief, their demise started.

BTW, even today, our biggest military challenge (or headache) comes from Global Islamic Jihad in Asymmetric Warfare Mode.

Leaving some fanatics, both Christians and Muslims have come out of this 'holy wars of religions' madness.

muslims defeated the christians in some of the crusades. they held a part of spain and a bit of europe for a few years. but thats about it. yes islam eradicated christianity in some places but thats nothng to be proud about.
In other words, the days muslims started believing in islam they lost touch with science.

And i dont understand point 1. that islam has complete ideological victory. ideology is a bad word in most parts of the free world. seondly every person will say that his/her religion has better ideology. a communist will probably say communism is greatest ideology and islam or any religion is crap and actually go to great length like mass killings to prove the communist ideology s bette. so I honestly dont agree to that statement. to me my idelogy is best and not islam.

that being said, i think that when it came to muscle power maybe the muslims won but during course of time when brain power decided strength the chritians west started taking over.

but we are digressing from this topic.

Dont act stupid and read history before talking about it..you are mixing up jewd with christians and also i think for you Hulagu Khan was also christian lol

Islam is not ancient religion compare to hinduism, buddism , judiasm and christianity but look how its spread in four continent and still going on

from your definition the only conclusion i can come to is that, islam is not a religion , its an imperial conquering force thats all. Islam spread by sword in most parts of pak, ind and BD. take that out and you lose 1/3 of muslim world.

 

[tvsram1992]

Indian Defence Forces will win

 

[karan.1970]

Indian Defence Forces will win

SAU BAAT KI EK BAAT

 

[KingMamba]

Bomb the capital- Coverage, Attention, Strike Fear, Make yourself relevant.\

Propaganda-Taliban have their own online video channel, own written publications, over 5000 blogs and forums and over 30 radio channels (At their peak) in FATA. The Maoists don't come close in matters of propaganda.

I am glad you are providing your real world experiences to this thread, it has been a while for you on the forum. Where have you been?

 

[trinity]

The ideology of Maoist faction that is against state because of rampant oppression and denial of rights of the poor people in the villages is spreading in educational class and they are spreading this opposition of state by non-violent means and are influencing other people with good educational background and say in society to join them.

It shouldn't be taken as extended arm of violent Maoists. Many of them have opened NGOs for education of poor which also include awareness among the people about their constitutional rights and denial of it by the State.

@trinity Kindly pitch in explaining this phenomenon as you are more knowledgeable in this subject.

You are correct in your analysis. From I gathered yrs ago, the Maoists struggle is pretty legit. That;s why it is much easier for the "elite" in this case doctors, lawyers, academics and other professionals to sympathize with their movement. Though there was a difference initially between Naxalites and Maoists, I believe both have synced their movements together. I am completely totally against the Maoism but in the Naxalite sense, I support it. They have truly struggled for decades with little or no justice folks. YOu see this recent rape in Delhi and how the govt responded only after the ppl of India protested nonstop and continue to do so. But this has been going on for a long time and these naxalites living in their respective areas have truly suffered. They never got justice and at times died. This was and continues to be a clear case of govt ineptitude. If passed stringent laws decades ago this could have been nipped. Look at how long eve teasing has been allowed to go on? The punishement for such is lax. If we were to strike hard, we could have sent a msg early instead of allowing the youth to grow up thinking this is ok.

As for the Taliban versus Maoist....I think Maoists would win. They are trained to tactically and skillfully fight. What we forget is that the Taliban had no problems getting access to weapons. They also had no problem with access to soldiers. Fighters from all over the World were ready to join their ranks. The Maoists had to build a weapons supply from scratch. They stole and creaed their own weapons. They were able to produce manufacturing units for AK's. Of Course, Pakistan outer region has such facilities but they allow it. We don;t in India. From what I read, the Talibam would attack mostly at night. Daytime attacks and raids were rare but would occur if the terrain suited them. The Maoists planned the entire operation from beginning to end. They chose the fight and picked the location. It would never be random. Also, understand Taliban enjoys state support while the Maoists don;t

 

[KRAIT]

@trinity Why don't you start an entire discussion on reasons and rise of Maoist insurgency in the already existing thread dedicated Maoist attacks in India.

It will good for posters to get all the aspects at one place otherwise we have to explain them over and over again. If only, you have time.

Also share your experience you have in this regard. Would like to know more. Neighbor in my hometown runs an NGO for education for kids, we have also given him land in our village to build school. He told me about this movement in detail. What is the reality ? He holds MBA degree from elite B School of India. I missed an opportunity to meet few of his friends who are working in Maoist affected region. Many things he told I can't even disclose on the forum.

He also told me about P Chidambram and his connections with Vedanta group. Can you tell me more about the senior politicians involved in oppression of these people.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

from your definition the only conclusion i can come to is that, islam is not a religion , its an imperial conquering force thats all. Islam spread by sword in most parts of pak, ind and BD. take that out and you lose 1/3 of muslim world.

You are again talking BS. I would not say that Muslims are Infallible or never made mistakes/errors or never committed crimes but they ruled/conquered different land don't mean they forced all local people to accept Islam.The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non Muslims. All these non Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that the sword did not spread Islam. Sufi saints in India played great role in spreading Islam

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are also Muslims so which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia to convert people into islam? lets not forget the people accepting Islam in western countries

Historian De Lacy O'Leary in his book "Islam at the cross road" write

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."

 

[trinity]

@trinity Why don't you start an entire discussion on reasons and rise of Maoist insurgency in the already existing thread dedicated Maoist attacks in India.

It will good for posters to get all the aspects at one place otherwise we have to explain them over and over again. If only, you have time.

Also share your experience you have in this regard. Would like to know more. Neighbor in my hometown runs an NGO for education for kids, we have also given him land in our village to build school. He told me about this movement in detail. What is the reality ? He holds MBA degree from elite B School of India. I missed an opportunity to meet few of his friends who are working in Maoist affected region. Many things he told I can't even disclose on the forum.

He also told me about P Chidambram and his connections with Vedanta group. Can you tell me more about the senior politicians involved in oppression of these people.

I don't have any concrete proof of a Chidambram connection to Vedanta Group besides his role as a corporate lawyer for them until till 2003. But the laxity of environmental laws are destroying India and that is only helping to fuel the Maoists. For me, its not about defeating the Maoists. If we defeat them what exactly do we gain? Nothing, we loose the only group of ppl who were were wiling to sacrifice their lives in order to achieve justice. Sure, their propensity for violence is a turn off for the public especially in a post 9/11 climate but do you think illerate tribals could wage such an effective war for so long without the help of the intellectual elite? Of course not. I like others though Chidambaram was of the utmost caliber but what I noticed is that corruption is like a virus. If you took the time to really examin each and every member of govt, most come from distinguished wealthy families and the rest are crooks or criminals. What do they both have in common? The thirst and desire for money and power. Im not saying everyone in govt is corrupt but enough to make your head spin. Take a look at his Wiki, its nuts we have a home minister who has a lot of conflict with self interests. Corruption is like a virus that keeps on affecting ppl, only the strong are able to keep it at bay. The biggest issue is that Maoists have been pretty effective for quite sometime. They are Indians like us, they are not fighting for religion or some fringe excuse. It is purely justice and has metamorphosed into a guerilla war to take over India in order to institute change. Ask yourself these reports about a nexus with ISI only surfaced a few yrs ago. For 50+ yrs they never ever took their help. We put a tremendous amount of resources and pressure to stamp them out especially with Chidambaram at the helm. Whose interest was he looking out for? With the lack of laws to protect the ppl who live in vallauble mining areas and their environment, what will happen? We already have asbestos laden ships coming to Gujurat from all over the world to be disassembled but will give ou ppl cancer. Nobody cares about our ppl. We have coal mines that are burning day and night in India because proper measures were not taken for safety. Wtf are we doing to ourselves? There are posters who point out that maoists hurt innocent civilians and I am sure they do. But who is behind this in the first place. Our govt attacks NGO;s but they helped to make ppl aware of the dangers of Nuclear plants. Whats wrong with the ppl being assured that there are safety measures in place? Nobody would even answer their damn questions till complaints were filed. Then the govt began a witch hunt and accussed NGO;s. Now let me ask you and others did the govt ever prove their accusation of NGO;s? No it never did. All it did was create some BS to turn public opinion against NGO;s and keep them stuck in limbo with the courts. Is this a democracy? My post is not meant to polarize you guys but its to really wake you all up. Im just as patriotic as you all. I just want the best for ppl and country.




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Krait on a separate note, I have some incredible info of a certain Chief Minister involved in corruption. I only know coz my friend is involved. I dont want to disclose on this forum. Im just trying to highight that these corrupt politicans don;t engage in one source for illegal money but many sources. Those guys in your hometownwho seem legit. I think you and I think alike and have a common agenda. We should blog and expose the inconstitencies in India. Think about it