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The US will only accept to transfert some of their tech with the nearest ally : Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand. Not more.
Add the fact that you buy Russian S400 and it's over (you will not suffer from CATSAA retaliation because you are a big market, not as Turkey, but you will not have access to latest tech)
US may only propose cheap weapons thanks to large serial production, but don't expect any significant ToT. Or with old junks like F16 (oups, F21 !) but only to produce the frame. Never you will have access to the AESA radar tech or electronic suite.


if you except US AESA radars, Japan AESA ones, etc....


120° with mechanical antenna moving : YES
GaN ? Not yet. Probably in a second variant (as every AESA radar)
Raven ES-05 is not a mechanically scanned radar. Raven ES-05 is an Active Electronically Scanned Array. Raven ES-05 has been in production and in service with Brazil and Sweden. Brazil received first operational gripen last week. Thales, Leonardo, BAE and Saab Radars are GaN based radar. American APG-83 is GaN based. Please download datasheet from manufacturer websites. Don't BS.

Lockheed Martin already supplied tech to TASL to manufacture airframe of C-130 and Apache. Whether F-21 win the contract or not all F-16V airframe will be manufactured in India near future.
There are some superficial reassembles between F-16 and F-21 but both are different aircraft.
https://exoatmospheric.wordpress.com/2019/08/01/lockheed-martin-f-21-meet-make-in-india-fighter-jet/
 
Raven ES-05 is not a mechanically scanned radar. Raven ES-05 is an Active Electronically Scanned Array. Raven ES-05 has been in production and in service with Brazil and Sweden. Brazil received first operational gripen last week. Thales, Leonardo, BAE and Saab Radars are GaN based radar. American APG-83 is GaN based. Please download datasheet from manufacturer websites. Don't BS.

Lockheed Martin already supplied tech to TASL to manufacture airframe of C-130 and Apache. Whether F-21 win the contract or not all F-16V airframe will be manufactured in India near future.
There are some superficial reassembles between F-16 and F-21 but both are different aircraft.
https://exoatmospheric.wordpress.com/2019/08/01/lockheed-martin-f-21-meet-make-in-india-fighter-jet/
Yes, Raven is AESA, but to offer 120° field of view L and 120° R, it has to be also mecanically movable. AESA alone is limited, if the antenna is flat (always the case as for now), to + and - 70° nearly.

GaN is the next AESA step. The actual airborne AESA fighter radar are GaAs. So is (will be) Raven, and so will be first gen Captor E (when ready....).
No evidence APG 83 is GaN, specially because on test since 2010... (quite old for GaN). https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/SABR/Pages/default.aspx
Rafale RBE2 AESA is GaAs, as Spectra antennas, with upgrades on study in GaN. But GaN is costlier... (Spectra will normally be the first to receive GaN).

It's quite easy to move from GaAs to GaN because you "just" have to remove the antenna. The back part of the radar, the electronic power and treatment back stage may stay the same (but in practice with more range, it's usefull to increase your calculation power)
 
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Yes, Raven is AESA, but to offer 120° field of view L and 120° R, it has to be also mecanically movable. AESA alone is limited, if the antenna is flat (always the case as for now), to + and - 70° nearly.

GaN is the next AESA step. The actual airborne AESA fighter radar are GaAs. So is (will be) Raven, and so will be first gen Captor E (when ready....).
No evidence APG 83 is GaN, specially because on test since 2010... (quite old for GaN). https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/SABR/Pages/default.aspx
Rafale RBE2 AESA is GaAs, as Spectra antennas, with upgrades on study in GaN. But GaN is costlier... (Spectra will normally be the first to receive GaN).

It's quite easy to move from GaAs to GaN because you "just" have to remove the antenna. The back part of the radar, the electronic power and treatment back stage may stay the same (but in practice with more range, it's usefull to increase your calculation power)

Gripen E will have an EW unit which is GaN based, but Raven is not GaN based.
Neither are the other radars mentioned.
 
Here is THE reason why Gripen is called Sukhoi Killer.

Hungarian Gripens showcase new capabilities in NATO Baltic Air Policing mission
Alan Warnes, Siauliai Air Base, Lithuania - Jane's International Defence Review
06 September 2019
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A Hungarian Air Force JAS 39C Gripen, armed with two AIM-120C5 AMRAAMs and two AIM-9L Sidewinders, taxies to its alert barn after a scramble. Source: Alan Warnes
Hungarian Air Force (HuAF) Saab JAS 39C Gripens returned home on 2 September following a four-month deployment to Šiauliai Air Base, Lithuania, during which airmen found the Litening targeting pod and new data links to be especially valuable.

As part of NATO's Baltic Air Policing commitment, four Gripens armed with two Air Intercept Missile (AIM)-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs) and two shorter-range AIM-9L Sidewinder AAMs stood on a persistent Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) to defend the airspace of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. One of each pair standing the alert was also equipped with a Litening III laser designator pod.

As the lead nation, the HuAF remained on full-time QRA throughout its mission, whereas the other two detachments - comprising Spanish Air Force EF-18M Hornets co-located at Šiauliai, and UK Royal Air Force Typhoons at Ämari, Estonia - worked in tandem, taking one week off (cold) and one week on (hot).

According to the detachment commander, Brigadier General Csaba Ugrik, it was a busy deployment. "We flew over 400 sorties, including 43 Alpha scrambles that saw us intercept over 50 Russian military aircraft."

There was a variety of types intercepted, including Sukhoi Su-24M/MRs, Su-27Ps, Su-30SMs, Su-34s, and Su-35s armed with new beyond visual range AA-12 Adder AAMs; as well as transports and high-value assets such as Antonov An-12, An-24, An-26 aircraft; Beriev A-50; Ilyushin Il-18 Coot Il-20/Il-22 Coot A/Bs, navy Il-38 May, and Il-76; and Tupolev Tu-134, Tu-142, Tu-154, and Tu-214R aircraft, according to the HuAF.
 
Why not F 18 superhornet. If Tom Cruise is flying the plane, it must be damn good :D
Indian Navy is discussing with Boeing to buy Advanced Super Hornet. Don't dream about Russian aircraft anymore. Your military leadership ruled out Russian option.
MMRCA V2.0
Gripen Vs F-21

I'm assuming F-21 will win the competition based TASL advocacy.

For Indian Navy
Rafale M vs F/A-18 Super Hornet Block III

I'm assuming Super Hornet as your Navy may not spend same amount of money as IAF.
 
This is why India needs F-21 (F-16V Block 70). India needs Spice 250 and Delilah Cruise Missile.
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...00-meet-the-delilah-stand-off-cruise-missile/
Israel weapons. They can be integrated with existing Indian crafts having Israel-based radars. Or European radars.

I heard they are developing their own naval jets with Israel-based radars.

Indian Navy is discussing with Boeing to buy Advanced Super Hornet. Don't dream about Russian aircraft anymore. Your military leadership ruled out Russian option.
MMRCA V2.0
Gripen Vs F-21

I'm assuming F-21 will win the competition based TASL advocacy.

For Indian Navy
Rafale M vs F/A-18 Super Hornet Block III

I'm assuming Super Hornet as your Navy may not spend same amount of money as IAF.
If India has an ounce of wisdom, they will simply go for Rafale all the way. In every branch. Having a zoo of fighters is never a good idea.

It's quite easy to move from GaAs to GaN because you "just" have to remove the antenna. The back part of the radar, the electronic power and treatment back stage may stay the same (but in practice with more range, it's usefull to increase your calculation power)
GaN will impact transmitters. The backend and processor can still be the same.
 
This pretty much kills the idea of new build F16s for PAF, as there is no way they are gonna buy F16s with India wings. Lockheed Martin will shutdown its wing manufactoring capability in the USA once this comes online..

I think the wings were being built in Israel, that's the one that was being shifted to India.
 

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