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when do we buy something like blackhawk,NH 90 why always old Mi 17 we buy sick of MI 17 from russia
KAYANI IS "DESPERATE" FOR HELICOPTERS
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Shadow Wars Get Big Bucks in Last-Minute Defense Bill
By Spencer Ackerman December 22, 2010
Fighting (or pretending to fight) al-Qaeda on behalf of the U.S.? Congress is your private Santa.
Defying Beltway expectations, both chambers of Congress approved a $724.6 billion defense bill for the current fiscal year. Congress was feeling generous, and the money lavished on the U.S.’ proxies shows it.
The big winner is Pakistan. The $400 million Pakistan Counterinsurgency Fund, which provides helicopters, night-vision equipment and training to the Pakistan’s Army Frontier Corps, gets another re-up. There’s also $1.6 billion to reimburse Pakistan (and some other nations, but really Pakistan) for “cooperating in contingency operations in Afghanistan,” which must come as a surprise to U.S., Afghan and Pakistani troops. This cash appears to be yet another U.S. down payment for the Pakistanis to invade North Waziristan, something they’re currently pledging to do the week after never.
Don’t forget Yemen, the New Pakistan. Yemen’s counterterrorism force in the Ministry of Interior alone will get $75 million “in equipment, supplies, and training.” Last year, the entire U.S. aid package to Yemen’s military was $155 million; it goes to show what an offer to look the other way while U.S. cruise missiles fly can buy a regime.
U.S. Special Operations Command, the principle on-the-ground liaison to these nations’ counterterrorism forces, wins out as well. Not only does the command get the full $9.8 billion it asked for, but Congress raised the special forces’ line item from $40 million to $45 million “to provide support to foreign forces, groups, and individuals assisting in ongoing operations.” That’s going to come into play in Yemen, where new teams of CIA operatives and elite troops from the Joint Special Operations Command are expanding the U.S.’s reach against al-Qaeda’s local affiliate.
And all that’s just in the open budget. The so-called “black budget” — that is, the intelligence budget, which included $27 billion in military intelligence last year — undoubtedly has even more for the shadow wars.
As this collection of conflicts mutates far beyond what began in Afghanistan a decade ago, a different provision in the new budget is especially noteworthy: the Defense Science Board must “conduct a review and evaluation of DOD’s strategy to counter violent extremism.” With all the cash being thrown around in these clandestine battles, you’d hope that was a strategy that was already in place.
By Spencer Ackerman December 22, 2010
Fighting (or pretending to fight) al-Qaeda on behalf of the U.S.? Congress is your private Santa.
Defying Beltway expectations, both chambers of Congress approved a $724.6 billion defense bill for the current fiscal year. Congress was feeling generous, and the money lavished on the U.S.’ proxies shows it.
The big winner is Pakistan. The $400 million Pakistan Counterinsurgency Fund, which provides helicopters, night-vision equipment and training to the Pakistan’s Army Frontier Corps, gets another re-up. There’s also $1.6 billion to reimburse Pakistan (and some other nations, but really Pakistan) for “cooperating in contingency operations in Afghanistan,” which must come as a surprise to U.S., Afghan and Pakistani troops. This cash appears to be yet another U.S. down payment for the Pakistanis to invade North Waziristan, something they’re currently pledging to do the week after never.
Don’t forget Yemen, the New Pakistan. Yemen’s counterterrorism force in the Ministry of Interior alone will get $75 million “in equipment, supplies, and training.” Last year, the entire U.S. aid package to Yemen’s military was $155 million; it goes to show what an offer to look the other way while U.S. cruise missiles fly can buy a regime.
U.S. Special Operations Command, the principle on-the-ground liaison to these nations’ counterterrorism forces, wins out as well. Not only does the command get the full $9.8 billion it asked for, but Congress raised the special forces’ line item from $40 million to $45 million “to provide support to foreign forces, groups, and individuals assisting in ongoing operations.” That’s going to come into play in Yemen, where new teams of CIA operatives and elite troops from the Joint Special Operations Command are expanding the U.S.’s reach against al-Qaeda’s local affiliate.
And all that’s just in the open budget. The so-called “black budget” — that is, the intelligence budget, which included $27 billion in military intelligence last year — undoubtedly has even more for the shadow wars.
As this collection of conflicts mutates far beyond what began in Afghanistan a decade ago, a different provision in the new budget is especially noteworthy: the Defense Science Board must “conduct a review and evaluation of DOD’s strategy to counter violent extremism.” With all the cash being thrown around in these clandestine battles, you’d hope that was a strategy that was already in place.
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400m for 2010 and 400m for 2011 as i understand - how much of the 2010 amt was delivered i am not sure - in essence 800m is available out of which 500m will go for the 18 new AH-1Zs to be delivered in 2014?!
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500m from 2010/11 will go for the heli's that will come 4 years later?
Also 18 AH-1Z's for 500m that is 27.7 million per unit
isn't it too high for a chopper?
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i heard paksitan recently made one indigenous helicopter ? ?? ???
why dont they develop it and militarize it to fight ?
why dont they develop it and militarize it to fight ?
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and what did pakistan asked to get in return of this military fund if kiyani is serious on helis i think black hawk is the one to get if he is serious and apaches
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that will take a while mate.. have a look at the craft then you will understand
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IMO these 400mil will be allocated to 30 Bell-412EP which PA requested in September.
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/201...istan_10-28.pdf
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IMO these 400mil will be allocated to 30 Bell-412EP which PA requested in September.
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/201...istan_10-28.pdf
very very correct!
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500m from 2010/11 will go for the heli's that will come 4 years later?
Also 18 AH-1Z's for 500m that is 27.7 million per unit
new birds cost money$$$!
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500m from 2010/11 will go for the heli's that will come 4 years later?
Also 18 AH-1Z's for 500m that is 27.7 million per unit
the contractor has to be paid!!!
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The US Marine Corps Acquisition of Bell Machines:
"Twenty five production aircraft (19 UH-1Ys/6 AH-1Zs) have been delivered through FY 2008. Operation and evaluation (OPEVAL) phase II completed 23rd April 2008, and showcased the strengths of the upgraded aircraft. Full rate production of the UH-1Y (and the contract award of the Lot 5 aircraft) date will be set at the DAB, 17th September 2008. The UH-1Ys reached initial operational capability (IOC) on 8th August 2008. The AH-1Z testing continues to proceed with the plan to IOC in FY 11. The new total program objectives is 123 UH-1Ys and 226 AH 1Zs." from 2009 Marine Corps. Almanac.
This clearly shows that the whole production is geared up for Marine Corps and they are hurting (Along with Pakistan) for these helos. However, some our members might not know that AH-1Z is scheduled to be inducted in full production starting FY 2011 (The US FY is Jan to December) and not before that. Therefore, PA getting them before is out of question. BTW some of these machines are NewBuild units and not upgraded ones from AH-1W.
"Twenty five production aircraft (19 UH-1Ys/6 AH-1Zs) have been delivered through FY 2008. Operation and evaluation (OPEVAL) phase II completed 23rd April 2008, and showcased the strengths of the upgraded aircraft. Full rate production of the UH-1Y (and the contract award of the Lot 5 aircraft) date will be set at the DAB, 17th September 2008. The UH-1Ys reached initial operational capability (IOC) on 8th August 2008. The AH-1Z testing continues to proceed with the plan to IOC in FY 11. The new total program objectives is 123 UH-1Ys and 226 AH 1Zs." from 2009 Marine Corps. Almanac.
This clearly shows that the whole production is geared up for Marine Corps and they are hurting (Along with Pakistan) for these helos. However, some our members might not know that AH-1Z is scheduled to be inducted in full production starting FY 2011 (The US FY is Jan to December) and not before that. Therefore, PA getting them before is out of question. BTW some of these machines are NewBuild units and not upgraded ones from AH-1W.
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