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KAYANI IS "DESPERATE" FOR HELICOPTERS

According to me nothing beats the Mi-17 in versatility and reliability. That helicopter can be modified to do anything. I would say it is almost like the back-bone of the IAF helicopter fleet. It might look clumsy, irregular, stupid...but when the job needs to be done it does the job perfectly with so much ease that no other helicopter in the world can match its performance, add to that the constant upgrades it has gone through the years to keep this platform still a cutting edge.

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and it can also carry rockets.
 
Reading through this thread there is a very strong sense of entitlement : "we are fighting their war for them" but you sem to forget it is you (ISI) who created these monsters and they are now coming home to roost (no conspiracy theories about RAW pls) it is our troops (US/NATO/ISAF) aswell who are dying for you, fighting the demons you people have created so stop this, and then you have the NERVE to get angry when US sells high-end equipment to India and ask why not us?? Well, this is quite simple, India pays for ALL it's equipment from it's own HARD EARNED cash not US/IMF handouts. If you pay cash no know is going to argue with you- it is the charity culture SOME of you guys take on defence procurements esp in regards to US. Take some accountability, if you haven't got the funds then you shouldn't be allowed the weapons.



Sir,

When you hear censored news in your country or lies from your politicians and generals to hide their failures---that is the assessment that you reach.

These monsters are indeed a part of your creation---you went in to take out Al Qaeda---and then you let them run away.

You stated that you would go in to do the job---but then you hired mercenaries to do the job---then you let your enemies escape---.

We associated with you to take out al qaeda----we didnot associate with you to take out taliban---when you failed to take out the al qaeda----and your moment of utter incomtence, you switched the war on afghan taliban----with indiscriminate killings of familes on travel---wedding processions---social gatherings of the afghan people, the taliban took upon themselves to fight a war of freedom.

You and your cohorts on the other hand created a group called pakistani taliban---who had nothing to do for war in afghanistan but to spread terror and anarchy in pakistan---.

Our mistake is that we didnot go into qandhar and kill Bin Laden over there after 9/11 and secondly when he was slipping down the slopes of hindu kush on our side----.
 
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And to add to mastankhan's post .Britain failed to control the territory of Afghanistan during their peak time,Soviet union collapsed in the process and same will be the fate of US .I hope you guys will not have to hang down to helicopters to run like what happened to you guys during Vietnam war.
 
KAYANI IS "DESPERATE" FOR HELICOPTERS

The Sikorsky CH-53K Super Stallion is a large, heavy-lift cargo helicopter currently being developed by Sikorsky Aircraft for the United States Marine Corps.
 
CH-53 is a complex machine to maintain and Marine Corps. has its hand full trying to keep them under operation. They are looking for replacements with a mix of Osprey and as yet undefined Helo.
 
i think NH 90 is best option for army and speciallly for our SSG and also few new PUMA will do better for pakistan
 
The AW101 (EH101) military utility medium lift helicopter is manufactured by AgustaWestland (formerly EH Industries), a joint venture company formed by Agusta of Italy and the British company GKN. AgustaWestland is now wholly owned by Finmeccanica. The EH101, now renamed the AW101, is also produced in naval and civil versions. 146 AW101 variants have been ordered and over 120 delivered.

AW101 orders

22 AW101 Merlin HC3 medium support helicopters have been delivered to the UK Royal Air Force, the first entered service in January 2001. 44 have been completed for the UK Royal Navy.


Italy ordered 20 AW101s with options for a further four. Nine ASW (anti-surface and anti-submarine) plus one optional with L-3 Communications HELRAS active dipping sonar (deliveries complete), four plus two optional AEW (airborne early warning), four utility and four amphibious support helicopters (ASH)(deliveries complete) were delivered between July 2000 and August 2009.

The Italian Navy took delivery of its 21st AW101 helicopter on 4 August 2009 during an official ceremony held at Maristaeli Luni naval base in Italy.

Canada ordered 15 AW101 Cormorant variants for search and rescue, which entered service in 2002. Denmark ordered 14 search and rescue and troop transport variants in September 2001. Deliveries began in January 2006. Portugal ordered 12 search and rescue and combat SAR in 2002. The first was delivered in December 2004 and deliveries completed in July 2006. Kawasaki delivered the first licence-built AW101 to Japan in March 2007.

In September 2003, Japan ordered 14 AW101 utility helicopters for airborne mine countermeasures and Antarctic survey transport. Deliveries began in March 2006.

In July 2002, AgustaWestland signed an agreement with Lockheed Martin to jointly market and produce a version of the helicopter for the US market, the US101. In February 2005, the helicopter was chosen as the replacement helicopter for the US Marine One presidential transport fleet requirement. The helicopter was proposed by Team US101, led by Lockheed Martin.

First flight of a new, higher performance variant of the AW101 took place in September 2006. This variant is fitted with British Experimental Rotor Programme (BERP) IV composite main rotor blades, more powerful CT7-8E engines rated at 1884kW and a new integrated cockpit display system with five 10in x 8in LCD displays.

In March 2007, the UK Royal Air Force agreed to buy six new AW101 already delivered to Denmark. The helicopters were transferred to the RAF in June 2007. They were fitted with new BERP main rotor blades and entered service in 2008. Denmark will receive replacement helicopters.

Algeria signed a contract with AgustaWestland to purchase six AW101 helicopters in November 2007. A total of 170 AW101 helicopters have been ordered by the customers worldwide.

Modular design

The rugged modular structure incorporates crashworthy and damage-tolerant features, including a five-blade main rotor, four-blade teetering rotor and main lift frame, which includes multiple primary and secondary load paths.

"The AW101 has crashworthy and damage-tolerant features."
The fuselage is mainly of aluminium-lithium construction. The aerodynamic rotor blades are constructed from carbon / glass with nomex honeycomb and rohacell foam. Active vibration control of the structural response (ACSR) uses a vibration-cancelling technique.

The helicopter operates in temperatures ranging from -40°C to +50°C.

An ice protection system allows operation in known icing conditions. An engine inlet particle separator system provides protection in sandy environments. High flotation tyres and efficient landing gear permit operation from soft or rough terrain.

EH101 cockpit

The cockpit is equipped with armoured crew seats able to withstand an impact velocity of 35ft/s. Dual flight controls are provided for the pilot and copilot, but the helicopter is capable of being flown by a single pilot.

The pilot's mission display unit is supplied by Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton). The electronic instrument system includes six high-definition, full-colour displays, together with an optional mission display.

A forward-looking infrared (FLIR) system display and digital map can be installed. Portuguese and Danish Air Force helicopters have FLIR Systems Star SAFIRE thermal imagers. DRS Technologies of the USA supplies the flight control computers.

EH101s for Denmark and Italy are fitted with Selex Communications LOAM laser obstacle avoidance and monitoring system.

Military utility and naval weapons

Naval versions of the AW101 can be armed with two anti-ship missiles, or up to four torpedoes and depth charges.

Armament options for military utility variants include a chin turret for a 12.7mm machine gun or pintle-mounted machine gun. The stub wings provide the hard points for mounting of rocket pods.

"The helicopter operates in temperatures ranging from
-40°C to +50°C."
Countermeasures

The AW101 is equipped with infrared jammers, such as the Northrop Grumman Nemesis, directed infrared countermeasures, missile approach warners, chaff and flare dispensers, and a laser detection and warning system.

Cargo systems

The military version AW101 has accommodation for 30 seated or 45 standing fully equipped combat troops. The cabin has room for a medical team and 16 stretchers or for palleted internal loads. The maximum ramp load is 3,050kg for vehicles such as Land Rovers.

The heavy-duty cabin floor and ramp are equipped with flush tie-down points, a roller conveyer for palleted freight and a cargo winch for non self-loading freight. An underslung load hook is capable of carrying external loads up to 12,000lb, and the load measurement is displayed in the cockpit. A rescue hoist and a hover trim controller are fitted at the cargo door.

Avionics and mission systems

The AW101 is equipped with two military standard 1553B multiplex databuses, which link the helicopter management, avionics and mission systems. The Smiths Industries OMI SEP 20 automatic flight control system is a dual redundant digital system, which provides autostabilisation and four-axis auto-pilot operation.

The navigation system includes a global positioning / inertial navigation system, instrument landing system (ILS), VHF omnidirectional radio range (VOR), tactical air navigation (TACAN) and automatic direction finding.

Armament

The AW101 transport helicopter is armed with five general-purpose machine guns, two 960kg (2,116lb) anti-ship missiles, four homing torpedoes, depth charges and rockets.

AW101 engine

The military version of the AW101 is powered by either three General Electric CT7-6 turboshaft engines, rated at 1,491kW, or three Rolls-Royce Turbomeca RTM322 turboshaft engines, rated at 1,567kW.

"The military AW101 has accommodation for 30 to 45 fully equipped combat troops."
Each engine is fed from a dedicated self-sealing fuel tank using dual booster pumps and a crossfeed system. The Rolls-Royce engine has been chosen by UK, Canada, Japan, Denmark and Portugal. The GE engine was selected by Italy.

The three tanks hold 3,222l of fuel. The fourth tank acts as a reservoir supply to top up the main tanks during flight. There is capacity for an additional transfer tank to increase the helicopter's range.

The range can be extended by the hover in-flight refuelling (HIFR) capability. The crew are able to select pressure refuel, defuel, jettison and buddy-to-buddy refuelling.

Performance

The AW101 transport helicopter can fly at the rate of 10.2m/s. The maximum and cruise speed of the helicopter are 309km/h and 278km/h respectively. The maximum range and service ceiling are 927km and 4,575m, and the maximum endurance is four hours 50 minutes. The helicopter weighs around 10,500kg and the maximum take-off weight is 15,600kg.
 
The Eurocopter Company manufactures the Cougar family of twin engine helicopters, of which more than 350 have been ordered. Eurocopter is a subsidiary of EADS (European Aeronautics Defence and Space) company formed by DaimlerChrysler Aerospace of Germany, Aerospatiale Matra of France and CASA of Spain.

The helicopter is in service with 28 air forces, eight armies and five navies. 64 are operational with the French Army. As well as the AS 532 A2 combat search and rescue (CSAR) helicopter, there are two other versions of the Cougar: the AS532 Horizon surveillance system operated with a ground station, and the AS532 UB/AB utility version.


Orders include four for Slovenia which were delivered in 2003/2004 and 12 (four CSAR and eight utility) for Bulgaria, ordered in November 2004. The first AS 532 was delivered to Bulgaria in August 2006.

Deliveries for Bulgaria began in August 2006 and the final (12th) AS 532 was delivered in July 2009. The first eight helicopters delivered to Bulgaria are being used as utility helicopters for carrying troops or injured people on stretchers with other medics or passengers.

Spain ordered an additional two transport helicopters in December 2007.

Design

The helicopter has a high level of crashworthiness, including impact tolerance and redundancy in vital systems and components. The occupants of the helicopter are protected up to impact velocities of 11.4m/sec. The fuel tanks are self-sealing, with a fuel crossfeed system that provides continuity of supply if one of the fuel circuits fails.

The main rotor and the tail rotor are equipped with high-impact-tolerance Spheriflex hubs, which have unlubricated metal antifriction bearings. The rotors are tolerant to impact from rounds from 20mm cannon and 12.7mm machine guns. The gearboxes are capable of running for 30 minutes up to one hour and 30 minutes without lubrication.

The helicopter is fitted with a 272kg capacity rescue hoist and an external sling. The enlarged sponsons provide additional stowage for carrying extra fuel, life rafts, floats or other equipment. The helicopter is equipped with emergency flotation landing gear for over-water missions.

Combat search and rescue (CSAR)

Eurocopter's combat search and rescue (CSAR) helicopter is in service with the armed forces of France, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

"The AS 532 U2/A2 Cougar helicopter has a high level of crashworthiness."
A personnel locator system (PLS) is used to locate survivors, which is based on an encrypted communications homing system.

This communicates with the Thales Avionique Nadir mk2 navigation computer, which selects the navigation mode according to the phase of the mission and controls the integrated flight display, which is presented on four flat screens.

Nadir mk2 interfaces to the positional and navigation equipment on the helicopter, the global positioning system, the inertial navigation, Doppler radar, the VHF omnidirectional radio range equipment (VOR), tactical air navigation (TACAN) and distance measuring equipment (DME).

The Cougar is equipped with observation domes to the cabin doors, searchlight, forward-looking infrared sensor (FLIR) and panoramic view detection radar with homing and personnel location system functions. The crew are equipped with third-generation night-vision goggles, and the mk2 Cougar aircraft cockpit and cabin area is night-vision goggle compatible.

In search-and-rescue missions involving pick-up from the sea, higher operating modes of the helicopter's SFIM PA 165 digital auto-pilot are used and manoeuvres in transition and hovering flight are performed automatically.

Weapons

The aircraft is equipped with two outboard 20mm cannons, pod-mounted rockets and two 12.7mm machine guns.

Countermeasures

The search-and-rescue helicopter is fitted with a radar warner and a missile launch warning system. The helicopter also has radar and infrared jammers and a chaff and flare decoy system.

Eurocopter and the French ONERA research centre worked in cooperation on the jet exhaust deflectors / diluters, low infrared reflectance paint and low radar reflectance surfaces and in reducing the acoustic, radar and infra-red signatures of the helicopter.

"The search-and-rescue helicopter has a radar warner and a missile launch warning system."
Engines

The Cougar is equipped with two Turbomeca Makila 1A2 engines. The engines provide a maximum continuous power of 1,240kW and are able to maintain their maximum take-off power of 1,380kW for five minutes.

Centrisep multipurpose air intakes are provided for operations in high-dust / particulate or desert conditions.

For extreme long-range missions, the combat search and rescue helicopter can carry auxiliary fuel tanks in the cargo hook well, sponson tanks, cabin floor tanks and up to five ferry tanks. Rescue missions of 500nm and return to base are possible without in-flight refuelling. An in-flight refuelling capability is being developed by Eurocopter.

Performance

The AS 532 U2/A2 can climb at the rate of 6.2m a second. The maximum and cruise speed of the helicopter are 278km/h and 231km/h respectively. The range and service ceiling of the helicopter are 573km and 3,450m respectively. The maximum endurance of the helicopter is four hours. The helicopter weighs around 4,560kg, and the maximum take-off weight is 9,000kg.

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he Eurocopter AS 550 Fennec single-engine helicopter is operational with the Singapore armed forces, the Royal Australian Army, the Brazilian Army and Air Force, the Danish Army, the French Army and the United Arab Emirates Army. The helicopter first entered into service in 1990.

The Fennec belongs to the Ecureuil / Fennec family of helicopters which includes: the single-engine military AS 550 Fennec and civil AS 350 Ecureuil; twin-engine naval AS 555 Fennec and civil AS 355 Ecureuil; and the civil EC 130 single-engine helicopter.


The AS550 Fennec can be fitted for anti-tank, air-to-air combat, ground support and training missions and it is also used in the utility transportation role. The combat version is called the AS 550C3.

The helicopters are in production at Eurocopter's engineering and production facilities at Marignane in France, and they are also built under licensed production agreements in Brazil and in China.

Orders and deliveries

Over 3,150 Fennec helicopters have been ordered, of which 2,500 have been delivered and are operational in over 70 countries.

The delivery of six AS 550 Fennec helicopters to the UAE Air Force was completed in 2008, while the Pakistan Army procured an additional AS 550 Fennec in early 2009.

The AS550 Fennec can be fitted for anti-tank, air-to-air combat, ground support and training missions and it is also used in the utility transportation role. The combat version is called the AS 550C3.

The helicopters are in production at Eurocopter's engineering and production facilities at Marignane in France, and they are also built under licensed production agreements in Brazil and in China.

A proposed order of 197 Fennec helicopters by India was cancelled in December 2007 due to discrepancy in the bidding process.

AS 550 Fennec design

The AS 550 is of light construction based on a reinforced high-strength glass fibre and aramid airframe. The Starflex main rotor head and blades are also of composite materials for added strength and weight reduction. The engine cowlings are armoured for protection.

The helicopter is fitted with armoured seats and can carry the pilot and up to five troops. The cabin can also be configured for medical evacuation with capacity for one stretcher patient and two doctors. For cargo carrying, the cabin can take a 3m³ load.

"The combat version of the
AS 550 Fennec is called the AS 550C3."
The military AS 550 is fitted with sliding doors on each side rather than the hinged door fitted on the civil AS 350 variant. The 1m³ baggage compartment is installed behind the main cabin and is accessed via a door on the starboard side.

A cargo sling, rated at 1,160kg, and a 204kg hoist can be used.

AS 550 cockpit systems

The cockpit is equipped with single controls and is night-vision compatible. The navigation suite includes a global positioning system (GPS), a VHF omnidirectional radio ranger and instrument landing system (VOR/ILS), an automatic direction finder (ADF), distance measuring equipment (DME) and a marker beacon transponder. The secure communications systems are fitted according to the customer country's specification.

The pilot has a vehicle and engine multifunction display which allows shows the main vehicle and engine parameters on a dual LCD screen.

Fennec weapons systems

The helicopter is fitted with a wide range of weapon systems to suit the operational requirements of the country's forces. Weapon fits include anti-tank missiles, rockets or guns. The Danish Army AS 550C2 helicopters are armed with the Systems & Electronics (formerly ESCO) HeliTOW sighting system and TOW anti-tank missiles. The HeliTOW sight is roof-mounted and contains direct view optics, day and/or night sight and laser rangefinder.

The AS 550 can be fitted with two Forges de Zeebrugge rocket launchers which carry seven 2.75in rockets each, or two Thales Brandt 68mm launchers with 12 rockets each. The helicopter has been fitted with the Giat 20mm gun type M621, and the FN Hershal twin 7.62mm and 12.7mm machine gun pod.

The surveillance and observation systems include a forward-looking infrared (FLIR), optical cameras and Spectrolab SX 16 searchlights. Thales Detexis EWR-99 radar warning receiver and Alkan ELIPS countermeasures dispenser can be fitted.

"The AS 550 construction is based on a reinforced high-strength glass fibre and aramid airframe."
Engines

The AS 550 is powered by a single Turbomeca Arril 2B engine, which provides 632kW of take-off power. The engine is fitted with full authority digital engine control (FADEC). The FADEC system reduces the work load of the pilot as well as the fuel consumption. The main gearbox has a 45-minute dry run capability.

The self-sealing plastic fuel tank has a capacity of 540l. An auxiliary fuel tank can be installed in the cabin to provide an additional 475l of fuel for extended-range operations.

Performance

The AS 550 can climb at the rate of 9.8m a second. The maximum and cruise speeds of the helicopter are 287km/h and 258km/h respectively, while the range and service ceiling of the helicopter are 666km and 7,000m respectively.

The maximum altitude of the helicopter is 7,000m and the endurance is four hours and seven minutes.

The AS 550 weighs around 1,202kg and the maximum take-off weight of the helicopter is 2,250kg.

Landing gear

The helicopter has steel tube skid-type landing gear. Emergency flotation gear is fitted for operation over water.

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these three r best ptions for me for pak army
 
Why does the US insist on sending its contractors along for everything and pushing a maintenance contract and instead of new helicopters? I understand initial infrastructure and training setup, but why do they want their contractors for maintenance for the rest of eternity? Jobs for contractors running low elsewhere? Smells like a scam.

With transfer of training and infrastructure, we only need spare parts and minimal expertise as needed after a year or two. But of course the US wants to monitor everything and expand its presence in Pakistan.
 
what army has in its heli invenory it is almost 20 years old and dont have sufficient systems to fight a war which have changed these days new helicopters ooses better survivalibility system which old MI 17 dont i think most of US allys using Black hawks and they are very very happy with them and including APaches i think pakistan is only ally of USA who dont have these two helis so sad

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USA helicopters also fuel efficient to russian ones
 

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