KAYANI IS "DESPERATE" FOR HELICOPTERS

[fatman17]

MI17 has decades old maintenance infrastructure in Pak army. Pak engineer knows this machine very well compared to any latest induction from US with same loading and range capacity.
As far as Pak army should get AH64 , well Bush and company approved 6 AH64 for Pak army , but never materialized for some reasons. These were approved right after Pak govt promise to take action against Afghan militants.

rumour at best!

 

[HAIDER]

Sunday November 11, 1:34 PM

U.S. to give Apache attack helicopters to Pakistan
By Muhammad Najeeb, Indo-Asian News Service

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Islamabad, Nov 11 (IANS) The Pakistan Army is all set to receive a batch of six Apache attack helicopters from the U.S. early next month, after nearly a decade-long arms embargo, reports here say.

The six AH-64D Long Bow Apaches will be part of the $73 million American assistance to Pakistan announced last week to strengthen its western borders with Afghanistan.

Although it is not possible to confirm the version of these choppers, it is believed they will be either AH-64 or AH-64D, a report in Al-Akhbar daily said.

The U.S. on November 7 announced it would provide Pakistan with $73 million in emergency funds to safeguard the security of its borders, particularly with Afghanistan.

Assistance will include helicopters and planes, land vehicles, communications gear, night vision goggles and also direly needed training.

The batch of six Apaches comes after President Pervez Musharraf promised the U.S. authorities he would launch a crackdown on cross-border movement along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border but required help in terms of military hardware including helicopters, spare parts for Pakistan's fleet of F-16s and other equipment.

Musharraf and his team during talks with U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had demanded greater military assistance from Washington for security of its borders and vital nuclear installations.

Pakistan's nuclear assets are guarded by air capping done by F-16s but due to non-availability of fast running out spares Pakistan had to cut down flying hours of its F-16s.

Another report in a Pakistani daily said the country would soon receive the first shipment of spares for its depleting fleet of F-16s.

Islamabad believes international concerns about the safety of Pakistan's nuclear assets can only be put at rest if the country is provided with state-of-the-art ground and air equipment for the security of nuclear installations.

Unrest by religious organisations which oppose Pakistan's decision to support the U.S.-led strikes in Afghanistan have sparked off fears of a threat to the Musharraf regime, and consequently of nuclear installations falling into the wrong hands.

"The batch of six Apache helicopters will give lethal teeth to the Pakistan Army, which has not inducted any top of the line system into its inventory for more than 10 years now," says a defence analyst. It recently inducted Ukrainian tanks and some very insignificant defence systems.

The AH-64 attack helicopter's four wings hard-points can carry 16 Hellfire missiles or 76 rockets (or a mix of these weapons) and the under fuselage turret is designed to collapse harmlessly upwards in crash landing.

It also houses a 30mm chain gun with 12,000 rounds of ammunition. The entire structure is designed to withstand hits of any type of ammunition up to 23mm calibre.

The AH-64 chain gun can disable a tank from 1.5 km and the Hellfire missiles have a range of 6 km. Apache's new version AH-64D can use radar-guided Hellfires, which can be used in a "fire and forget" fashion.

Greece, the U.S. and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) are using Apaches AH-64 at present.


Source http://in.news.yahoo.com/011111/43/18lum.html

What happened next,no one knows..

 

[fatman17]

U.S. to give Apache attack helicopters to Pakistan
By Muhammad Najeeb, Indo-Asian News Service

very 'authentic' news service!!!

 

[Kompromat]

U.S. to give Apache attack helicopters to Pakistan
By Muhammad Najeeb, Indo-Asian News Service

very 'authentic' news service!!!

How many sir ?

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

but gunships really matter alot and paksiatan need them alot ....my cousin was in operation and according him they create hell of difference and many soldiers lives are saved by these gunships.... and taliban really fear from it alot..

---------- Post added at 06:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:36 PM ----------

we are getting ah-iz king corbas in 2014........

 

[Chogy]

What Pakistan needs (IMO) are lift helicopters like Blackhawk or Mi variants, far more than gunships.

In the Iraq war, the little OH-58D did better work than the Apache.

The Apache is designed to fight in, and survive, an armored war. The armed Kiowa can scout, fight, and is more agile than the Apache. The Cobras on hand (with spare parts) will be more than adequate. But really, the heart of the matter is lift; getting troops into (and out of) remote areas. And it takes a LOT of lift to do this on any scale.

 

[Rafi]

It needs money to buy buddy, at the moment they are taking charity, you just have to take it when you get for free, cannot make choices.

Speaks a person from a country who has over 80% living on less than half a dollar a day, and a country that receives a billion dollars in charity from the UK alone.

 

[Chogy]

You missed my point... it isn't gunships, or snazzy attack helicopters that are needed so much as regular transport helicopters, especially those capable of working in mountainous terrain. The Mi series are excellent.

A lot of people were lusting after the sexy attack helicopters, and I pointed out that the Kiowa did much better in Iraq than the Apache. Light, agile, capable of both scouting and light attack. Something similar (like the Cobras already on hand) plus lift is what is needed.

Budgetary issues are another matter entirely. I am talking about proportion of attack vs. lift.

 

[VCheng]

You missed my point... it isn't gunships, or snazzy attack helicopters that are needed so much as regular transport helicopters, especially those capable of working in mountainous terrain. The Mi series are excellent.

A lot of people were lusting after the sexy attack helicopters, and I pointed out that the Kiowa did much better in Iraq than the Apache. Light, agile, capable of both scouting and light attack. Something similar (like the Cobras already on hand) plus lift is what is needed.

Budgetary issues are another matter entirely. I am talking about proportion of attack vs. lift.

Chogy: If those asking for the hardware have an eye on "other" uses on "other" fronts, then they would prefer to get "other" types of hardware, no?

 

[TOPGUN]

It needs money to buy buddy, at the moment they are taking charity, you just have to take it when you get for free, cannot make choices.

It's not chairty watch your stupid mouth.. show some respect you are a guest here what we get from the US is part of the deal for fighting WOT get your facts right and your silly imatture speech or you will be gone with the wind very soon.

 

[notorious_eagle]

You missed my point... it isn't gunships, or snazzy attack helicopters that are needed so much as regular transport helicopters, especially those capable of working in mountainous terrain. The Mi series are excellent.

A lot of people were lusting after the sexy attack helicopters, and I pointed out that the Kiowa did much better in Iraq than the Apache. Light, agile, capable of both scouting and light attack. Something similar (like the Cobras already on hand) plus lift is what is needed.

Budgetary issues are another matter entirely. I am talking about proportion of attack vs. lift.

But Sir the Apaches could be a great addition to Pakistan's COIN Operations due to their advanced avionics and targeting systems. Their targeting systems are a generation ahead of the Cobras and this would definitely reduce collateral damage. I am completely agree with the notion of light attack helicopters, and it seems that Pakistan Army is entertaining this idea. The newer Bell 412 choppers that PA is acquiring are all armed with Gatling Guns.

 

[HAIDER]

Apache can be good edition in PAA, but if look at overall scenario, Pakistan is getting hard time maintaining 1967 Cobras. How can PAA can maintain Apache, first its maintenance is too expensive, plus armament it used is another cost issue. US military purchases them for a tidy sum of $15.6 million, Which is subsidized price. Then look for cost of each Hellfire and Hydra rockets.
Better go for Russian Ka52 or Mi35 far less in price and rugged,if the offer, these are built for cold fronts.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

i think ah-1z suits us better or any t-129 or z-10

 

[fatman17]

Apache can be good edition in PAA, but if look at overall scenario, Pakistan is getting hard time maintaining 1967 Cobras. How can PAA can maintain Apache, first its maintenance is too expensive, plus armament it used is another cost issue. US military purchases them for a tidy sum of $15.6 million, Which is subsidized price. Then look for cost of each Hellfire and Hydra rockets.
Better go for Russian Ka52 or Mi35 far less in price and rugged,if the offer, these are built for cold fronts.

dont disagree but russian 'offensive' weapons are 'off-limits' for the near and medium term.

the other option is the chinese wz-10 but this type continues to be 'dogged' with power-plant problems and faces massive delays.

the turkish attack helo is under 'testing and evaluation' and will not be available until 2015-2018.

.........so the only 'option' left is upgraded cobras and by 2014, the super cobra.

 

[HAIDER]

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