Jack Ma Confirmed as Chinese Communist Party Member

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

After Buddism came to China, it changed itself to suit Chinese Taoist and Confucian traits and became Chinese style Buddism, but it's still called Buddism. Same goes with the communism, it needs to fit in with Chinese Confucian culture and has to change, and become a Chinese style communism.

Well said!
THere is no karl max in CHINA really!

 

[Desert Fox]

After Buddism came to China, it changed itself to suit Chinese Taoist and Confucian traits and became Chinese style Buddism, but it's still called Buddism. Same goes with the communism, it needs to fit in with Chinese Confucian culture and has to change, and become a Chinese style communism.

Okay, here's the thing though:

Confucianism or Taoism are not dogmatic and do not predict a certain style of society as their end goal as Communism does envisioned by Karl Marx the founder of Communism.

Communism end goal: stateless, classless, borderless society

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

So you are saying China needs a central source of spiritual leadership (Emperor)? Interesting. So then does this validate the pre-Communist systems that existed in China historically in the classical times? (I.e. Imperial dynasties?)

NO, I am saying CHINA needs a powerful army represented by a symbolic emperor!
Emperor is long dead in CHINA.Emperor dead in CHINA in 1912!
What we do is what i said many times: The black and white cat theory created by DENG Xiaoping!

 

[Offshore]

communist, liberal whatever dude..
people tend to focus on subject, not the goal.
Chinese way, whatever works...
used it.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Wll said.
If India at its 100 year old anniversay,if it still finds itself poor and lack of developement since 1945,it really need to reflex its demo system,and if CHINA can made it in 2049 by making itself a country developeed with 1.4 billions people ,then i could say it created history and very and very succesful indeed!

 

[beijingwalker]

Okay, here's the thing though:

Confucianism or Taoism are not dogmatic and do not predict a certain style of society as their end goal as Communism does envisioned by Karl Marx the founder of Communism.

Communism end goal: stateless, classless, borderless society

China is a socialist country, the party is called communist party, communist party is just a name, no one in China cares about the end goal, China, Japan, Korea, Singapore basically follow the same Confucian governance, values and doctrines to rule their countries under different names. You can call yourself anything, but the roots are always there.

 

[Brainsucker]

Okay, here's the thing though:

Confucianism or Taoism are not dogmatic and do not predict a certain style of society as their end goal as Communism does envisioned by Karl Marx the founder of Communism.

Communism end goal: stateless, classless, borderless society

No, what he means is that the Communism ideology has been changed to suit Chinese characteristic. But from what I read from Chinese history, Communism is dead after the end of Cultural Revolution and the raise of Deng Xiaoping.

 

[Desert Fox]

China is a socialist country, the party is called communist party, communist party is just a name, no one in China cares about the end goal, China, Japan, Korea, Singapore basically follow the same Confucian governance, values and doctrines to rule their countries under different names. You can call yourself anything, but the roots are always there.

Okay that makes sense.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Socialism=Concentrate social ressources to acheive self reliance and solve social problems!
Communism=We have aquired the techs that can reach aliens and every things we need are all free,human kind become explorers of the univers!
Capitalism=run by money!

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese leadership refers a lot to the Chinese history and quotes great history figures again and agian governing this coutnry, you never hear them quote Marx or even Mao now.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Chinese leadership refers a lot to the Chinese history and quotes great history figures again and agian governing this coutnry, you never hear them quote Marx or even Mao now.

MAOISM: extremely focus when do things,and do reseachs before make any commnets!

 

[Yankee-stani]

I'm not bashing it. I'm genuinely interested in learning about China's political and economic model.

And I'm not a westerner (In case you haven't noticed the flags).

Politically I consider myself a Fascist because it is a practical ideology, unlike Communism and Liberal Capitalism, both of which are flawed. In the case of Communism, at least as envisioned by Marx (the who founded Communism and coined the term) it is utopian, dogmatic and therefore impractical.

Which is why I'm curious how people can claim Chinese system is communist. Based on what? Government ownership alone? But isn't communism achieved when society is stateless, according to Karl Marx?

Of course, personally whatever works for you guys. But my question is how in the world is this Communism? Since when did a Emperor become compatible with Communism?

And who is the current "Emperor" of China?

I dont want to go off topic but since @Desert Fox you consider yourself to be fascist not bad sadly its been turned by the media to be EBIL NAZIS who have no idea what Nationalism is I think Pakistan needs clerical fascist ideals like Iran has to keep the mullahs at bay whats your thoughts

 

[Nilgiri]

Communism is just an ideology for hypocrites to enrich themselves while singing tunes of "workers" and "peasants" "rights". No different from Liberalism. It makes sense because both ideologies are materialistic and put economics on the pedestal.

In Soviet Union Stalin lived in a villa while average Russki squalored in miserable Isbas and toiled in munitions factories.

Every Bolshevik, from Lenin to Trotsky lived like the Tsar, yet they stoked hatred for the Tsar within the hearts of the workers and peasants.

Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels were both bourgeoisie capitalists who never did manual labor in their lives.

@Nilgiri @Psychic @Metanoia @LeGenD

@jamahir

Oy Vey!!! Communism is greatest gift to you bad hedonistic goyim. Take your shekels and shush!

 

[lcloo]

40 years ago, Deng Xiao Ping decided that Soviet Union style communism did not fit in well in China. He opened up China amid extreme strong opposition from many high ranking party members. To overcome these oppositions he and fellow supporters selected a sleepy fishing village in Shenzhen as an experiment and an eye opener to those who opposed his desire to change China. The rest is history we are all aware of.

It was decided that it is impossible for everyone to share the wealth equally at the same time, so the plan was to let a small group of people becoming rich, and with their entrepreneurship help China's economy to grow. The first batch of businessmen injecting capital were mainly from overseas Chinese from Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, South East Asia and the rest of the world. This era was 1980s to 1990s.

After the economy grow to a certain sustainable level, a large group of middle/ lower middle income population called 小康之家 will begin to take a share of the national economy, there was an explosion of people beginning to join small business start-ups, and some of them succeeded become rich. This era belongs to 2000 to 2010. And Jack Ma is one of them. I still remember the old slogan "Getting Rich is Glorious".

Third phase of the Chinese communist party long term planning was to let the lower middle income group to share even more of the national wealth, which is present day China.

The old communist doctrine of everyone being equal in status and income doesn't work, even in Lenin's time. The reformed Chinese Communist doctrine is different from Soviet, and present day China is the proof.

And there is nothing wrong or surprise that Jack Ma is a communist. I will be more surprise if Trump is not a Republican!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Jack MA is a party member of CCP long time ago!!!
I do not know why this would surprise anyone!
We are under CCP leadership,this is set up by Chinese Constitution!
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Chapter I General Principles

Article 1 The People’s Republic of China is a socialist state under the people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants.

Article 3 The state organs of the People’s Republic of China apply the principle of democratic centralism.

Article 5 The state upholds the uniformity and dignity of the socialist legal system.　No laws or administrative or local rules and regulations may contravene the Constitution.

The state promotes the nationwide use of Putonghua (common speech based on Beijing pronunciation).

The Chinese people of all nationalities will continue to under the leadership of the Communist Party of China and adhere to the people's democratic dictatorship under the guidance of Marxism-Leninism, Mao Zedong Thought, Deng Xiaoping Theory, the important thinking of the "Three Representations", the Scientific Outlook on Development, and Xi Jinping's new era of socialism with Chinese characteristics. Adhere to the socialist road, persist in reform and opening up, constantly improve socialist systems, develop socialist market economy, develop socialist democracy, improve socialist rule of law, implement new development concepts, be self-reliant, work hard, and gradually realize industry and agriculture. The modernization of national defense and science and technology promotes the coordinated development of material civilization, political civilization, spiritual civilization, social civilization and ecological civilization, and builds China into a powerful, democratic, civilized, harmonious and beautiful socialist modernization power, and realizes the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.