Jack Ma Confirmed as Chinese Communist Party Member

[Brainsucker]

There are two systems in CHINA ,the CCP system and the government system ,if you are an official,even you are not fined by government law,you may be fined by CCP laws,so the chance you get caught when you did things illegally is doubled.
You could say CHINA is a dual government country!

CHINA s problem is how to make sure evey emperor is good one and how to limit their powers !
NOT to cancle this emperor!

Oh interesting. This is way I'm confused. Because it so different from other country system.

 

[Desert Fox]

Everything you can think of. You can say that's a crazy system and start bashing it as all westerners do, but it serves our country well and we don't care what others feel about it cause it's a system for us, not for others.

I'm not bashing it. I'm genuinely interested in learning about China's political and economic model.

And I'm not a westerner (In case you haven't noticed the flags).

Politically I consider myself a Fascist because it is a practical ideology, unlike Communism and Liberal Capitalism, both of which are flawed. In the case of Communism, at least as envisioned by Marx (the who founded Communism and coined the term) it is utopian, dogmatic and therefore impractical.

Which is why I'm curious how people can claim Chinese system is communist. Based on what? Government ownership alone? But isn't communism achieved when society is stateless, according to Karl Marx?

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Yes, I agree. China system has it's own perk. The only thing that they need to reform is the judiciary system. The law should be independent, so no body can use the law for their own gain. I'm sure you are agree about this. But it just a matter of time.

currently it is semi independent!
Before, the CCP Party secretary of a city is also the head of this city juri system,now it is changed: The head of this province is the head of juri system of all cities in this province.More high level official and court staff needed to manage the juri system.

Before,the final court of one province can decide if a man can be sentenced to death or not,today,all death sentences must be reported to Beijing the highest court of CHINA before anythings happened and 30% death sentences are rejected by BEIJING highest court of CHINA.
......
That is one aspect that why we chinese fell life is getting better and better everyday.

 

[Desert Fox]

There are two systems in CHINA ,the CCP system and the government system ,if you are an official,even you are not fined by government law,you may be fined by CCP laws,so the chance you get caught when you did things illegally is doubled.
You could say CHINA is a dual government country

How does that work? Is there some reading material or online sources that can better explain this model to outsiders?

CHINA s problem is how to make sure evey emperor is good one and how to limit their powers !
NOT to cancle this emperor!

So the concept of Emperor still exists unofficially in China?

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

How does that work? Is there some reading material or online sources that can better explain this model to outsiders?

So the concept of Emperor still exists unofficially in China?

If it is a good emperor why not,like ELIZABETH of UK,she brought power and richness to UK!
Why not!

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes, I agree. China system has it's own perk. The only thing that they need to reform is the judiciary system. The law should be independent, so no body can use the law for their own gain. I'm sure you are agree about this. But it just a matter of time.

This is what I want to know. What are the checks and balances? @Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA said there's a dual government system.

 

[Brainsucker]

currently it is semi independent!
Before, the CCP Party secretary of a city is also the head of this city juri system,now it is changed: The head of this province is the head of juri system of all cities in this province.More high level official and court staff needed to manage the juri system.

Before,the final court of one province can decide if a man can be sentenced to death or not,today,all death sentences must be reported to Beijing the highest court of CHINA before anythings happened and 30% death sentences are rejected by BEIJING highest court of CHINA.
......
That is one aspect that why we chinese fell life is getting better and better everyday.

Ah, I start to understand. And I agree with you that China needs a good Emperor.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, I agree. China system has it's own perk. The only thing that they need to reform is the judiciary system. The law should be independent, so no body can use the law for their own gain. I'm sure you are agree about this. But it just a matter of time.

Junior Bush got his presidency beause of his father's appointed judges in the supreme court. If you are rich, you can get away with even murder, US legal system is more flawed.

 

[Desert Fox]

If it is a good emperor why not,like ELIZABETH of UK,she brought power and richness to UK!
Why not!

Of course, personally whatever works for you guys. But my question is how in the world is this Communism? Since when did a Emperor become compatible with Communism?

And who is the current "Emperor" of China?

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

1.4 billions people need a powerful leader ,otherwise CHINA will collapse,this will end up with Taiwan independence,Xinjiang independence,or even Tibet independence and US americains will send army to those independent countries and CHINA will live under US more threats!

 

[Brainsucker]

This is what I want to know. What are the checks and balances? @Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA said there's a dual government system.

Like he said, China must ensure that they have a good Emperor. That's the answer.

 

[Desert Fox]

Like he said, China must ensure that they have a good Emperor. That's the answer.

But how is "Emperor" compatible with Communism?

There is so much inconsistency. Maybe it would be better to do away with the label of "Communism" because none of it is actually Communism as envisioned by Karl Marx who is the founder kf that ideology.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Of course, personally whatever works for you guys. But my question is how in the world is this Communism? Since when did a Emperor become compatible with Communism?

And who is the current "Emperor" of China?

This may surprise you but we merely talk about communism in CHINA,we talk about socialism with chinese caraceristics.The only thing related to communism is CCP in CHINA .
Communism may be realized in 2500,but not today!

 

[beijingwalker]

Of course, personally whatever works for you guys. But my question is how in the world is this Communism? Since when did a Emperor become compatible with Communism?

After Buddism came to China, it changed itself to suit Chinese Taoist and Confucian traits and became Chinese style Buddism, but it's still called Buddism. Same goes with the communism, it needs to fit in with Chinese Confucian culture and has to change, and become a Chinese style communism.

 

[Desert Fox]

1.4 billions people need a powerful leader ,otherwise CHINA will collapse,this will end up with Taiwan independence,Xinjiang independence,or even Tibet independence and US americains will send army to those independent countries and CHINA will live under US more threats!

So you are saying China needs a central source of spiritual leadership (Emperor)? Interesting. So then does this validate the pre-Communist systems that existed in China historically in the classical times? (I.e. Imperial dynasties?)