Israeli export 15K times greater than in 1948

[Mercenary]

Israel getting aid from the US since day one of it's existence obviously doesn't have to do anything with how successful it is now.

Its obvious you know next to nothing about this conflict with your insightful post. So please let the educated people discuss this topic.

 

[King Solomon]

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Its obvious you know next to nothing about this conflict with your insightful post. So please let the educated people discuss this topic.

US aid was not that much in Israel's development, but let us not forget that many high officials and personalities in US have accused Israel of spying and stealing technologies.

 

[PteX]

The rockets did kill 10-20 people, but they haven't killed anyone in a while. Israel has deployed the Iron Dome system which has neutralized this threat. Besides, Hamas will not launch any more rockets as it knows the punishment it received during the 2009 attack and Hezbollah as well in 2006. If some trouble does brew up in West Bank, Israel can launch a major air-ground campaign and decimate them.



You are assuming the range of those rockets won't change. What if Hamas introduces a new rocket that can reach Tel Aviv from Gaza. Does that mean Israel should re-occupy Gaza Strip. That calculus does not make sense.

What if some Terrorist group sets up camp in Jordan and has rockets that could reach Tel Aviv? What then?

So Israel cannot continue to occupy those territory for the sake of security. If the time comes that that area is used to launch rockets, Israel will send its forces and deal with them and deploy the Iron Dome System to shoot them down.

As for the 6 day war, Israel was surrounded but under no danger of being destroyed. Israeli forces were far stronger than the combined Arab forces. If Arab forces had attacked first, Israel would have won in 2-3 Weeks, if Israel attacked first, they would have won in 1 week. This was a Pentagon War Study presented to Abba Eban when he flew to Washington DC to get American support for Israel.



That doesn't make strategic sense because militants could deploy rockets which have longer range and reach Tel Aviv. Israel has to deal with these threats as they materialize and not have a permanent hold on that territory.



Thats true but since Arab countries except Jordan refused to grant them nationality, they have a seperate identity of Palestinian and thus they need a homeland.



With such conditions, there will never be a Palestinian state. Arabs will never accept Israel's right to exist. Israel will exist due to its ingenuity, and the power to defend it self. But that is in mortal danger if a Palestinian population becomes the majority in Israel and thus it is necessary to create a Palestinian state on West Bank to retain Jewish majority.

The status quo spells doom for Israel.

It is all about how many Israeli lives are we willing to sacrifice when confronted by an enemy that not only is taught to worship death, they are taught to kill as many children and women possible. We have no interest in perpetuating the "land giver rockets comes" thing so they keep breeding and killing themselves.

It is not HAMAS that launched all those bombs recently, it was all the Islamic Jihad factions which are uncontrolled in Gaza. Many will arise in the West Bank as well, and shooting down a few hundred bombs a day will cost tens of millions.

There is also the threat of the new-founded Islamic Egypt coming to the aid of the Arabs and violating the peace treaty. What did we give up all that land to Egypt for them to just redeploy hundreds of thousands again? Not such an unlikely scenario anymore but it would cost hundreds of Israeli lives.


You talk about decimating the Arabs if they dare attack but you forget that the UN is controlled by the Oil-Rich countries, which would see such attacks as excuse to attack Israel diplomatically and militarily.
Only the US with their Veto Right will be vetoing such resolutions, and this reluctantly under the current administration(If Obama is reelected), while pressuring Israel to end the theoretical war.


Any war in the middle east will cause a lot of pain to the world's economies as oil prices surge. China, Britain, France and Russia will be all to eager to present resolutions and sanctions punishing Israel for defending herself.

Point being, these Arab scum have many friends who do not just strap a jacket and jump into school buses, there is much to consider when attacking terrorists and we do not need another terrorist front.

In the end, in my opinion, regime change must be forced upon the Arabs. In the West bank, and in HAMAS controlled Gaza which will be destroyed when time is due(HAMAS must be destroyed and replaced by Abbas's men).

If all else fails, Israel will declare all Jewish settlements annexed, create barriers around the Palestinian state which is acceptable to Israeli leaders and the Arabs can keep firing rockets either way. If there is no end to this bloodshed, they will bleed a 100 times faster.

 

[Don777]

well Jerusalem is also Holy to the Muslims and its not like they will give it up so easy. Shared administration or mutual recognition of freedom of access to holy places could be the answer here. By being a bit lenient on Jerusalem, Israel can turn a majority of Muslim countries into its favour because then the conflict will no more be about Judaism vs Islam but Israel vs Arabs.

It could be a great idea to implement. But with the current situation it is very dangeous. There are many enemies of peace in both side, and they will just need to blow someone, and everything will be boiling.
its better if first, all neighbors and Isarel sart to make peace with each other, start recognising and treat properly. Once the tension is down, then proposal form Somebozo, could do wonders.

 

[ephone]

However, I believe Israel people may need understand one Chinese idiom a little better: 祸兮福之所倚，福兮祸之所伏。

In English: Misery! - happiness is to be found by its side! Happiness! - misery lurks beneath it!

In its earlier days, refusal to be defeated may make Israel strong today.

However, today refusal to compromise may make Israel live in even dangerous environment.

Israel has made some big contributions around the world.

The software that is used to power is forum is written in PHP. Which was invented in Israel.

The donations which is used to fund this site, the security software to verify the transactions was developed in Israel as well.

Israelis are smart, dynamic and educated people. Is it any wonder why even being surrounded by so enemies, they have managed to not only survive but thrive.

Pakistan should learn some lessons from Israel.

 

[ephone]

That does not change the fact that Israel was created from other people's land. To make the analogy simple, you can purchase land in U.S., Australia, or Japan or other European countries, can you found a country in those land??? British used Jewish people to counter the influence of those Arab people after the collapse of Ottoman Empire. British just did not expect that after two world wars, it fell from the top and lost control of all of those places. Trust me, British has no interest to create a Israel if it itself still has the power to control that.

Israel has already taken the upper hand through west's support. To make it sound logical is really beyond comprehension to most non-jewish people, let alone to those Muslims.

The void of power after Ottoman empire does not make Israel's creation logical then as well.

To make it even simpler, after Qing Empire's collapse, China also fell to the prey to a lot of foreign powers. It is unthinkable some outside people bought some land in China and then can create another country with foreign support.

I am not anti-Semitism. However, I do not think many people can argue that Israel's creation was a historical anomaly. Otherwise, there won't be such contraversy and never-ending bloodshed till today.

Being robbed is pretty painful to those victims. To make the robbery sound logical will make it even worse.

Well when the Jews arrived there in 1880's they bought the land from the Arabs.

Tel Aviv was founded on territory purchased by Jews from Arabs. Much like New York City's Manhattan Island was purchased by the Dutch from the natives.

In 1948, there were 600,000 Jews living in British mandate of Palestine. 500,000 were in Tel Aviv, 50,000 were in West Jersualem and rest were scattered all over. They did not displace the Arab population.

Its only after the 1948 War, in which Palestinians fled which created the Palestinian refugees.

And besides, Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza Strip for 19 years. Why didnt they create an independent Palestinian state on those lands?

The fact of the matter is this, if Israel had never existed, there would be no Palestine, it would be nothing more than a Province of Jordan.

 

[somebozo]

Israel is a reality and has stood against all odds. The faster we realize and recognize this reality the better we can achieve peace. Arab opposition to Israel is two fold. One is to cover their own incompetency by turning Israel into a "No Go" zone and secondly to rally muslims sentiments by turning it into a islam vs jew propaganda rather than an Arab land dispute.

 

[IbnAlwaled]

Israel is a reality and has stood against all odds. The faster we realize and recognize this reality the better we can achieve peace. Arab opposition to Israel is two fold. One is to cover their own incompetency by turning Israel into a "No Go" zone and secondly to rally muslims sentiments by turning it into a islam vs jew propaganda rather than an Arab land dispute.

So if they destroy alAqsa masjid and they will to build their temple you are ok with that?
When they do it becomes an Islamic issue, if it wasn't an issue already. Interestingly, Arabs who fought and died in Afghanistan, Chechnia and Bosnia didn't consider these issues as nonArab land disputes. Just like the Crusaders were once a "reality", crusader free Jerusalem became a reality. Nothing is permanent except WAR!!!
If you don't believe in Jihad that's up to you, but don't speak for the rest of Muslims.

BTW, I am still waiting for a source for for your made up fact about "The Jews of Khayber were unrivaled for their industrial and metallgury capabilities".

 

[PteX]

So if they destroy alAqsa masjid and they will to build their temple you are ok with that?
When they do it becomes an Islamic issue, if it wasn't an issue already. Interestingly, Arabs who fought and dies in Afghanistan, Chechnia and Bosnia didn't take into consideration that they were non-Arab land. Just like the Crusaders were once a "reality", crusader free Jerusalem became a reality. Nothing is permanent except for WAR!!

No... Nothing is certain except death.

 

[raptor22]

If you don't believe that one can discover objective truth then it does seem pointless to discuss facts.

Stick to facts. In 1947 there were NO Security Council Resolutions about the situation in Palestine! link

With the proviso that everyone has the right to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Otherwise you are talking war and exploitation, not justice.

I disagree with you ,there was sth on 29 november 1947 , Link


And as I said base on that resolution , about 46% of that land belongs to Palestinian , that most of that has already occupied by Israel , not to mention new settlements .

Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.
The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Torah

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.
This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.
The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.
From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem. .....

Link....

The conflict is between Israel vs Arabs, as one smart commenter said, the Muslims just took up the mantle of hatred of Jews because the Prophet was Arab(So Ummah should stick together on this issue if no other kind of mentality).

The Muslim holy places are already administered by Muslims, there is no argument here. They demand Jerusalem which was liberated in the 67' war.

No Muslim was or ever will be denied the opportunity to visit and pray at their holy sites, while all Jews and other religions were denied access to Jerusalem during different times of Muslim rule over Jerusalem. Many Grand Mufti's of Jerusalem preached and still preach the slaughtering of Jews even today.

Imagine some non-Muslims demanding Mecca or Medina, this is the equivalent of Arabs demanding Jerusalem.

I think it's a sort of typo in fact It was occupied .

 

[somebozo]

So if they destroy alAqsa masjid and they will to build their temple you are ok with that?
When they do it becomes an Islamic issue, if it wasn't an issue already. Interestingly, Arabs who fought and died in Afghanistan, Chechnia and Bosnia didn't consider these issues as nonArab land disputes. Just like the Crusaders were once a "reality", crusader free Jerusalem became a reality. Nothing is permanent except WAR!!!
If you don't believe in Jihad that's up to you, but don't speak for the rest of Muslims.

BTW, I am still waiting for a source for for your made up fact about "The Jews of Khayber were unrivaled for their industrial and metallgury capabilities".

This is arab propoganda...just like they have shifted the focus from actual mosque to the gaint golden dome by turning it into a pop icon and fashion statement. The israelis have made it clear to hand over the holy places to an independent trust and assure freedom of worship. First, arab should look into their own borders and the kind of incompetent bunch they are being ruled by Al Sauds, Al Hussiens, Ghaddafi, Bathists, Mubarak, etc. Conquering Al Aqsa will not change an iota of reality, instead the Palestine conflict provides corrupt Arab leaders an indirect legitimacy to continue their rule and corruption.

Either Arabs should fix their own homes and grow strong enough to annex Jerusalem, or just keep quiet about it. Mention a single name of capable Arab government in 22 Arab countries??

What ever Israel occupies today was infact lost in a war launched by Arabs against Israel and from the law of war, Israel has a legitimate right to occupy this piece of land as a war bounty.

The Crusaders came due to Arab leaders incompetency and infighting for power...


The last conquerors of Jerusalem were not Arabs but Kurds and Turkish which goes to make a strong impact in incompetency and corruption of Arab rulers. Throughout history, after Islamic Arabs only progressed when being ruled by a foreign power such as Ottomans, British or the French. And as classic as history can get, the fall of Jerusalem once again to create Israel happened due to Hashmite greed of power for which they conspired with the British to throw away the Ottomans only to pave way for re-settling of European Jews in Palestine under British mandate and later on create independent Israel. Blame no one else for it.

The story about Jews of Khayber was published in a local news paper..as a series of articles in Islamic conquest of Arabia..

Regarding Arab fighters in Afghanistan, The Pukhtoon Talibans fought out of Nationalism and always despised the attempts of portraying their struggle as a holy way (Jihad). Infact the number of Arab fighters did not exceed 500 through out the entire war, the Talibans described them as inexperienced school kids and sent them back to Pakistani border. The remaining few Arabs in Afghanistan were confined to non-combat roles or teaching at madrassas. Through out the war, all Taliban commanders were Tajik and Pushtoons..not a single one was Arab. On the contanary people like Osama is a wise example of Arab leadership in the Afghan war.

Long before the time of the Prophet of Islam, the valley of Khyber and other valleys in its north and south, were colonized by the Jews. As noted before, these Jews were not only the best farmers of the country, they were also its leaders in industry and business, and they enjoyed a monopoly of the armaments industry.

In the times of the Prophet, the best arsenals of Arabia were all in Khyber. Those Jews who had been banished from Medina, had also resettled in Khyber, and they were noted for their skills in metallurgy.

The Qaynuqa were banished from Medina. Chiefly they were metalworkers, having learned the art of beating out the splendid shining armor, the moon-curved swords and sun-catching helmets that glorified warfare in the desert. They made fine bronze armor, beaten and burnished, with helmets to match and gleaming swords whose swift cut could make the very air whistle.

I am not trying to be Anti-Arab or bash Arabs but just stating some solid facts. Instead of seeing Israel as a foe they must make a logical comparison with a level head. Through out the year, the corrupt dictators have only used Israel as an excuse to continue their regimes of looting national wealth.

 

[IbnAlwaled]

This is arab propoganda

No its not, there are several Israeli organizations dedicated to rebuild the temple by destroying the masjid:The Temple Institute, Temple Mount and Eretz Yisrael Faithful Movement. And no, Israel refused to hand them over to any non Israeli organization. How do I know that? from the Palestinian papers released by Al-Jazeera clearly indicating that the PLO GAVE UP EAST JERUSALEM FOR PEACE, but the holy sites should be handed over to an international organization. Israel said NO.

First, arab should look into their own borders and the kind of incompetent bunch they are being ruled by Al Sauds, Al Hussiens, Ghaddafi, Bathists, Mubarak, etc. Conquering Al Aqsa will not change an iota of reality, instead the Palestine conflict provides corrupt Arab leaders an indirect legitimacy to continue their rule and corruption.

100% agree, that Doesn't mean "accept Israel as a reality", but rather realize that now is not the time of war, but there will be.

Either Arabs should fix their own homes and grow strong enough to annex Jerusalem, or just keep quiet about it. Mention a single name of capable Arab government in 22 Arab countries??

Life isn't black or white, either we have the capability to destroy Israel or shut up!! that doesn't make any sense. and no at the moment because of its nukes and US backing, Israel is stronger than any country in the ME.

What ever Israel occupies today was infact lost in a war launched by Arabs against Israel and from the law of war, Israel has a legitimate right to occupy this piece of land as a war bounty.

I thought the UN charter says no land can be taken by war, So what your saying that if a war broke out between India and Pakistan and Pakistan got defeated then its legitimate for India to annex Pakistan? Maybe, but then its legitimate for Arab countries to also try to annex Israel by war.

The Crusaders came due to Arab leaders incompetency and infighting for power...

True.

The last conquerors of Jerusalem were not Arabs but Kurds and Turkish which goes to make a strong impact in incompetency and corruption of Arab rulers. Throughout history, after Islamic Arabs only progressed when being ruled by a foreign power such as Ottomans, British or the French. And as classic as history can get, the fall of Jerusalem once again to create Israel happened due to Hashmite greed of power for which they conspired with the British to throw away the Ottomans only to pave way for re-settling of European Jews in Palestine under British mandate and later on create independent Israel. Blame no one else for it.

The story about Jews of Khayber was published in a local news paper..as a series of articles in Islamic conquest of Arabia..

Regarding Arab fighters in Afghanistan, The Pukhtoon Talibans fought out of Nationalism and always despised the attempts of portraying their struggle as a holy way (Jihad). Infact the number of Arab fighters did not exceed 500 through out the entire war, the Talibans described them as inexperienced school kids and sent them back to Pakistani border. The remaining few Arabs in Afghanistan were confined to non-combat roles or teaching at madrassas. Through out the war, all Taliban commanders were Tajik and Pushtoons..not a single one was Arab. On the contanary people like Osama is a wise example of Arab leadership in the Afghan war.
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You seem to have a habit of making stuff as you go along without providing any source. Why? it doesn't help your point of view.

I am not trying to be Anti-Arab or bash Arabs but just stating some solid facts

OK.

Instead of seeing Israel as a foe they must make a logical comparison with a level head. Through out the year, the corrupt dictators have only used Israel as an excuse to continue their regimes of looting national wealth.

The biggest example of that is Bashar alAsad. Just because the Palestinian cause is used as a justification for some rulers to oppress their people, that doesn't mean that the cause itself is illegitimate. It just means that these rulers are corrupt and would use everything to justify their dictatorships.
Finally, As Muslims we absolutely believe that we are going to kick the Jews out because its mentioned in the Qur'an, just like it was mentioned that the Jews will return. Weather it happens now or 700 years later, we will Never forget the Palestinians or forsake the alAqsa for the Jews. No one is interested in your advice, as you said its an Arab issue and we will take care of it ourselves.

 

[Mercenary]

So if they destroy alAqsa masjid and they will to build their temple you are ok with that?
When they do it becomes an Islamic issue, if it wasn't an issue already. Interestingly, Arabs who fought and died in Afghanistan, Chechnia and Bosnia didn't consider these issues as nonArab land disputes. Just like the Crusaders were once a "reality", crusader free Jerusalem became a reality. Nothing is permanent except WAR!!!
If you don't believe in Jihad that's up to you, but don't speak for the rest of Muslims.

BTW, I am still waiting for a source for for your made up fact about "The Jews of Khayber were unrivaled for their industrial and metallgury capabilities".

Muslims have destroyed religious establishments such as Rachel's Tomb in West Bank in 2002, Samarra Mosque in Iraq in 2006 and Buddhist Bayman Statues in 1998 as some recent examples. I am not even going to mention all the mosques, churches and synagogues that were attacked by suicide bombers.

Christians in Nigeria have attacked mosques and Hindus burned down the Babri Mosque in 1992.

Haven't heard much on Jews destroying other's people's religious establishments so I don't think the Al Aqsa mosque is in any danger.

 

[Mercenary]

It is all about how many Israeli lives are we willing to sacrifice when confronted by an enemy that not only is taught to worship death, they are taught to kill as many children and women possible. We have no interest in perpetuating the "land giver rockets comes" thing so they keep breeding and killing themselves.

It is not HAMAS that launched all those bombs recently, it was all the Islamic Jihad factions which are uncontrolled in Gaza. Many will arise in the West Bank as well, and shooting down a few hundred bombs a day will cost tens of millions.

There is also the threat of the new-founded Islamic Egypt coming to the aid of the Arabs and violating the peace treaty. What did we give up all that land to Egypt for them to just redeploy hundreds of thousands again? Not such an unlikely scenario anymore but it would cost hundreds of Israeli lives.


You talk about decimating the Arabs if they dare attack but you forget that the UN is controlled by the Oil-Rich countries, which would see such attacks as excuse to attack Israel diplomatically and militarily.
Only the US with their Veto Right will be vetoing such resolutions, and this reluctantly under the current administration(If Obama is reelected), while pressuring Israel to end the theoretical war.


Any war in the middle east will cause a lot of pain to the world's economies as oil prices surge. China, Britain, France and Russia will be all to eager to present resolutions and sanctions punishing Israel for defending herself.

Point being, these Arab scum have many friends who do not just strap a jacket and jump into school buses, there is much to consider when attacking terrorists and we do not need another terrorist front.

In the end, in my opinion, regime change must be forced upon the Arabs. In the West bank, and in HAMAS controlled Gaza which will be destroyed when time is due(HAMAS must be destroyed and replaced by Abbas's men).

If all else fails, Israel will declare all Jewish settlements annexed, create barriers around the Palestinian state which is acceptable to Israeli leaders and the Arabs can keep firing rockets either way. If there is no end to this bloodshed, they will bleed a 100 times faster.

Israel needs to make some tough choices. If it continues to believe that every single Arab and Muslim on the planet has to accept its existence before it can withdraw from West Bank, then it will wait until Judgement Day. Its not going to happen. Maybe the educated elites in Muslim and Arab countries will want to make peace with Israel but with the uneducated masses it won't happen. And likewise, Israel is fooling itself into believing that there won't be any rockets made that can reach Tel Aviv and other areas out side of the periphery of territory Israel controls.

What happens if a new Islamic Militant group sets up camp in Sinai under the auspices of the new Muslim Brotherhood government and starts firing rockets at Israel which can reach Tel Aviv. What then? Will Israel want to conquer the Sinai?

That logic does not make sense. If there is a threat such from Sinai or West Bank in the future, you deal with it piecemeal. You don't create an overarching policy that states no withdrawal from territory which could be potentially used in the future to launch attacks. Technology is changing.

As time goes on, the technology used to develop Iron Dome will get better and thus in the future it will be cheaper. Initial technology is always very expensive.

If Israel withdraws from West Bank and still that territory is used to launch attacks on Israel, USA, France, England, China, Russia will side with Israel. The fact that is continuing to occupy that territory is destroying Israel's image in the court of global opinion. Besides Israel decimated them in 2006 and 2009, and USA was there with its UN veto to safeguard Israel.

There already has been a few wars in recent years and Israel is still thriving.

Israel will never have a PLO or Arab partner in place which genuinely believes in its existence. So Israel has to make unilateral withdrawals before the Arab population makes the Jews a minority and destroying the whole concept of Israel.

 

[PteX]

Israel needs to make some tough choices. If it continues to believe that every single Arab and Muslim on the planet has to accept its existence before it can withdraw from West Bank, then it will wait until Judgement Day. Its not going to happen. Maybe the educated elites in Muslim and Arab countries will want to make peace with Israel but with the uneducated masses it won't happen. And likewise, Israel is fooling itself into believing that there won't be any rockets made that can reach Tel Aviv and other areas out side of the periphery of territory Israel controls.

What happens if a new Islamic Militant group sets up camp in Sinai under the auspices of the new Muslim Brotherhood government and starts firing rockets at Israel which can reach Tel Aviv. What then? Will Israel want to conquer the Sinai?

That logic does not make sense. If there is a threat such from Sinai or West Bank in the future, you deal with it piecemeal. You don't create an overarching policy that states no withdrawal from territory which could be potentially used in the future to launch attacks. Technology is changing.

As time goes on, the technology used to develop Iron Dome will get better and thus in the future it will be cheaper. Initial technology is always very expensive.

If Israel withdraws from West Bank and still that territory is used to launch attacks on Israel, USA, France, England, China, Russia will side with Israel. The fact that is continuing to occupy that territory is destroying Israel's image in the court of global opinion. Besides Israel decimated them in 2006 and 2009, and USA was there with its UN veto to safeguard Israel.

There already has been a few wars in recent years and Israel is still thriving.

Israel will never have a PLO or Arab partner in place which genuinely believes in its existence. So Israel has to make unilateral withdrawals before the Arab population makes the Jews a minority and destroying the whole concept of Israel.

France, England, China, Russia will never side with Israel, it is simply easier to side against Israel.

Let us agree on one thing: The current Israeli policy is wrong, there can't be any type of peace with the masses who are taught to hate from the day they can understand hatred.

Israel must annex all the Jewish settlements, destroy the small ones which are vulnerable to suicide bombings and give the new founded Palestine all the Arabs which identify themselves as Palestinian. There won't be peace but at least there will be a goal to protect, and Israel strives under harsh conditions.

It is ridiculous to believe the Arabs will ever accept peace, not until the culture of hatred ends.