Islamic Union - Islamic Union - Saudia Arabia + Pakistan + UAE.

[Indus Pakistan]

You boys know your on the same side right?

Just a tiffle in a teacup. Everything is cool now.

 

[Jaanbaz]

@Kaptaan I would prefer a economic union with India and Iran rather then GCC( I do support close economic cooperation with the GCC). I know it sounds impossible in the current scenario but if that was to happen we could possibly bring hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.

 

[TMA]

Okay. Imagine if Pakistan joined Saudia Arabia, Oman, UAE in a political union to make a united ummah titled the "Islamic Union". Would you suppor this. Please vote Yes or NO. And give reasons. Pakistan would be required to teach the language of Islam - Arabic. It would be made national language of Pakistan helping it to fit with the Islamic Union. A road linking Lahore with Mecca would be built using Gwadar as ferry port to Muscat. Pakistan was made for Muslims. This would be the consummation of that project.

Map of Islamic Union

* Of course I voted "No". I don't think shared religion is sufficent to bind together this union. Only Arab and Pakistani please vote. And do please give reasons for your vote. Thanks

@Sharif al-Hijaz @EgyptianAmerican @camel Guy @Khafee @etc

Pakistan should teach Arabic anyway. It will help Pakistanis understand better the Last Revelation.

For this union to really happen, the Saud in Saudi Arabia must be sent back to the desert badlands.

And let me make this clear. I believe with almost total and absolute vigour that Pakistan has some of the brightest people on earth. I also believe Pakistan has one of the greatest historical heritages on earth that goes back to 8,000 years. I also believe in this sense Pakistan is there with the cradles of civilization - China, Mesopotamia and Egypt. I also believe that Pakistan is the direct inheritor of this greatest legacy [one of few] in the world. By comparison Europeans are savages made recently good with light makeover.

However it does pain me enormously that too many Pakistani are todaying aping Arabs, or playing second fiddle. Their critical thinking has been mushed. Too many are imprisoned by a religious culture that shackles their abilities - critical thinking is degraded in our young if not murdered while they are children. We need a generation that asks, questions everything. Nothing is holy. And they must have belief that they are better than all the rest including Arabs. I would want our young to be arrogrant but free thinkers. To think of Pakistan only. To hell with Rohingyas or Mindanaos etc

Rather simple. Rather clear. Rather focussed.

Moderate is not a absolute term my friend. It is relative. It very much depends on where you [who] draw/s your/their poles. And it varies with each person. It's not like central road marker lines on the highways.

Arrogance is too much. That leads to the Devil and Afghanistan.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Sometimes even stupid people can come out with good ideas. Can people please give reasons for their vote.

First, they would take your nuclear weapons and nuclear technology and then they would throw you out of the union because = non-Arab no real Muslim.

 

[DejanSRB]

Secularism should be goal for Pakistan.

Just look at one of two most prosperous muslim countries along Singapure- Turkey.

Literacy in Otoman Empire - 9 %
10 years of Ataturk - 33%

University in Ottoman Empire - establish in 1454 (if i remember well) but 95% of knowledge was based on Islamic teology.
University in Republic of Turkey - Istanbul 1925 - until 1938 became most referenced university in Islamic world.

Military - according to H.Inalcik, Ottoman empire imported 91 % of its weapons in 1903.
Ataturk reforms reduce 16.3% of population who was in touch with Ottoman military aparate to 5.2 % and made it more mobile and "faster", no need to explain what that reforms do with budget deficit. He reduce deficit for 31%, just in 2 and half years. According to K. Dervis.


So, I dont have Pakistan origins and I am non Muslim. Maybe I dont have right to disscus in this topic, but you have a choice. And with your vast potential it would be a disgrace to your children to pursue sharia law instead of some kind of soft authority or hard type of democracy (which is suitable for Pakistan type of mentality).

 

[Cookie Monster]

I disagree. Have you ever heard of the Two Nation Theory? From that you can surmise by deductive logic that all Muslims are one nation. The theory is premised on the fact that religion is a greater denominator than ethnic/lingustic or other demographic factors. It therefore follows Arabs/Sindhi/Punjabi etc is one peoples

I feel like u r ignoring the most obvious...which is the ppl's mindset. What u r saying is a possibility but not reality(currently). When Islam first came about ppl followed it very strictly and thus their differences didn't matter. They were united as one regardless of their tribes, ethnicity, color of skin, or linguistic differences. This unity was a major factor in the rise of that Islamic empire. Overtime this mindset changed and the Ottoman Empire(the last successor of the early Islamic empire) broke into pieces. This was bcuz ppl's concept of that unity that u r talking about became one of those things that everyone thinks would be great but none are willing to make that change in themselves. The biggest one of those "divisions" is the shia/sunni thing among others.

This is also the reason why the two nation theory worked. Muslims of the subcontinent united for the cause of having their own country...then once it was achieved that "unity" soon disappeared. Pakistanis became more concerned about differences like Punjabi/Pukhtoon/Bengali or Sunni/Shia/Ehl-e-Sunnat etc. A major reason in the creation of Bangladesh was this divide. Now according to ur plan u want to band together the ppl of Pakistan with some Arab countries...how do u plan on eliminating these myopic views from the general public?

Again u should understand that I'm not saying that it's not possible...it is theoretically possible. What I'm saying is that it's only possible if the ppl r willing to be united as such either that or as I mentioned in my last post that if they are kept in line by force(which will eventually fail).

 

[PakBlood]

Okay. Imagine if Pakistan joined Saudia Arabia, Oman, UAE in a political union to make a united ummah titled the "Islamic Union". Would you suppor this. Please vote Yes or NO. And give reasons. Pakistan would be required to teach the language of Islam - Arabic. It would be made national language of Pakistan helping it to fit with the Islamic Union. A road linking Lahore with Mecca would be built using Gwadar as ferry port to Muscat. Pakistan was made for Muslims. This would be the consummation of that project.

Map of Islamic Union

* Of course I voted "No". I don't think shared religion is sufficent to bind together this union. Only Arab and Pakistani please vote. And do please give reasons for your vote. Thanks

@Sharif al-Hijaz @EgyptianAmerican @camel Guy @Khafee @etc

Well, the idea overall is delightful, I would certainly love and welcome inter-regional political or economic unions, im fact, just like you sir, when I was 12 or 13 years old, me and a friend of mine would routinely discuss different such topics, like what would happen if Pakistan were to create a union with arab states, or one with India, or even a union with Iran and Afghanistan, quite a few interesting points would spring up back then.

Anyhow, as for this specific case, wealthy Arab states would be extremely unlikely to form a union because they would then have to grant quite a few privileges to Pakistan, and that would reduce their own profits, besides,this could hurt our relations with Iran due to the sectarian cold war between them and the Arabs, also, even if it is an Islamic Union, I dont think that it woukd be a good idea "Arabize" our people by replacing Urdu with Arabic, we have our own cukture and we should promote it and project it to the rest of the world in a positive light.

In any case though, I think that a "European Union" sort of entity should exist across the Muslim World, wherein each nation can retain it's own culture and political system but ultimately try to estabish uniformity and create a grand single market, establish equal rights for all citizens, at least a NATO style Military force etc as long as these countries' actions are in accordance with Islam.

Besides, such a union might even lead to the establishment of a Caliphate Imagine the entire Muslim World as a single and all powerful country, gradually expanding and absorbing other countries towards a global caliphate, Allah(SWT) has promised a return of the Caliphate.
So wait,we too are waiting.

 

[Gibbs]

Okay. Imagine if Pakistan joined Saudia Arabia, Oman, UAE in a political union to make a united ummah titled the "Islamic Union". Would you suppor this. Please vote Yes or NO. And give reasons. Pakistan would be required to teach the language of Islam - Arabic. It would be made national language of Pakistan helping it to fit with the Islamic Union. A road linking Lahore with Mecca would be built using Gwadar as ferry port to Muscat. Pakistan was made for Muslims. This would be the consummation of that project.

Map of Islamic Union

* Of course I voted "No". I don't think shared religion is sufficent to bind together this union. Only Arab and Pakistani please vote. And do please give reasons for your vote. Thanks

@Sharif al-Hijaz @EgyptianAmerican @camel Guy @Khafee @etc

Omani's are smarter than that, That's the reason they're conflict free even when they're neighboring cluster fecks Saudi Arabia and Yemen

 

[Gibbs]

Secularism should be goal for Pakistan.

Just look at one of two most prosperous muslim countries along Singapure- Turkey.

Literacy in Otoman Empire - 9 %
10 years of Ataturk - 33%

University in Ottoman Empire - establish in 1454 (if i remember well) but 95% of knowledge was based on Islamic teology.
University in Republic of Turkey - Istanbul 1925 - until 1938 became most referenced university in Islamic world.

Military - according to H.Inalcik, Ottoman empire imported 91 % of its weapons in 1903.
Ataturk reforms reduce 16.3% of population who was in touch with Ottoman military aparate to 5.2 % and made it more mobile and "faster", no need to explain what that reforms do with budget deficit. He reduce deficit for 31%, just in 2 and half years. According to K. Dervis.


So, I dont have Pakistan origins and I am non Muslim. Maybe I dont have right to disscus in this topic, but you have a choice. And with your vast potential it would be a disgrace to your children to pursue sharia law instead of some kind of soft authority or hard type of democracy (which is suitable for Pakistan type of mentality).

Sorry i do not have the right to give a positive rating for this post.. I hope someone who has will

 

[khanz]

Hell no ! Pakistan is better off on it's own.

 

[El Sidd]

Hell no ! Pakistan is better off on it's own.

Khan saab qayamat kio bula rahe.

Maan li apki baat

 

[khanz]

Khan saab qayamat kio bula rahe.

Maan li apki baat

No I am just being practical anyway that goes for everyone if you believe in it- Pakistan does not need to worry about qayamat as much as these horrendous gulf arab states (except Oman they're ok) look what they are doing in Yemen and who they are aligning with.

 

[El Sidd]

No I am just being practical anyway that goes for everyone if you believe in it- Pakistan does not need to worry about qayamat as much as these horrendous gulf arab states (except Oman they're ok) look what they are doing in Yemen and who they are aligning with.

Who cares man

Let them be

 

[The SC]

Next time Pakistan needs next gen fighters or backup at the Security Council I will see what your superior circumcized brothers floating on oil will do. You saw that recently. When Trump growled at Pakistan. Athiest China sent a non too subtle message to USA. So did your "munificient petrol pool" by giving Trump $100 billion of defence contracts. Way to go.

If you look at it smartly and wisely, the Saudi move was quite pragmatic, in this way no one can put all the Muslims in the same bag.. not even the US..and Pakistan still keeps some leverage from Arab states on top of China's support..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just so that everybody understand this thread was driven by satire - I have zero inclination to think such a union would be possible. The thread was intended to expose the stupidity of the idea of a ummah spura state.