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Islamic Union - Saudia Arabia + Pakistan + UAE. Do you vote?


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I know. It's ever so sad. Is it not?

And is that not the reality. Is it not fact. Or have I missed something here?

And no. I am not confused. Actually quite the opposite. I have a very orderly thought process. Possibly overly reductive. That likes everything logical and clear. Quite diametric to confused.

no its not.
your thought processes are only capable of in the end formulating that a secular Pakistan will magically transform the Aryan nation and be the king of the world.
i can understand. its not your your fault. you have all the traits of that.

I came to know about when i learned in Hadith...go seek knowledge even if you have to go to China.

they see yet they deny
they hear yet they deny
and when it comes near they say were you not told of its coming and the signs.
 
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Stupidity. What has SA brought to the Ummah except Fitnah?
 
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your thought processes are only capable of in the end formulating that a secular Pakistan will magically transform the Aryan nation and be the king of the world.
My thought processes clearly drastically diverge from yours but it does not, gentleman mean I am confused. All it means is that I have a very, very differant outlook from yours. And being differant does not equate to being confused unless your outlook is narrower then a Pakistai village alley; And more insular then a village women who has spent her entire life inside a house looking through two holes in a shuttlecock burqa.
 
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You want to get on a boat with thousand holes in it!!!!
If there were to be an islamic union at all, this should be it.

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My thought processes clearly drastically diverge from yours but it does not, gentleman mean I am confused. All it means is that I have a very, very differant outlook from yours. And being differant does not equate to being confused unless your outlook is narrower then a Pakistai village alley; And more insular then a village women who has spent her entire life inside a house looking through two holes in a shuttlecock burqa.

Sure man.
Have it your way.

Ironically its just bikini car wash vs shuttlecock burka.

Never the moderate option between the two.
 
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And let me make this clear. I believe with almost total and absolute vigour that Pakistan has some of the brightest people on earth. I also believe Pakistan has one of the greatest historical heritages on earth that goes back to 8,000 years. I also believe in this sense Pakistan is there with the cradles of civilization - China, Mesopotamia and Egypt. I also believe that Pakistan is the direct inheritor of this greatest legacy [one of few] in the world. By comparison Europeans are savages made recently good with light makeover.

However it does pain me enormously that too many Pakistani are todaying aping Arabs, or playing second fiddle. Their critical thinking has been mushed. Too many are imprisoned by a religious culture that shackles their abilities - critical thinking is degraded in our young if not murdered while they are children. We need a generation that asks, questions everything. Nothing is holy. And they must have belief that they are better than all the rest including Arabs. I would want our young to be arrogrant but free thinkers. To think of Pakistan only. To hell with Rohingyas or Mindanaos etc

Rather simple. Rather clear. Rather focussed.

Never the moderate option between the two.
Moderate is not a absolute term my friend. It is relative. It very much depends on where you [who] draw/s your/their poles. And it varies with each person. It's not like central road marker lines on the highways.
 
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Sure man.
Have it your way.

Ironically its just bikini car wash vs shuttlecock burka.

Never the moderate option between the two.
Some are having them both -- shuttlecock burka with bikini underneath. SheinDotCom is the proof. o_O

WTF yar, I put the link in your signature and nearly sh$t myself laughing. Thought it would be some car or bike or something. :disagree:
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Have it your way.
Thanks but what is it with the "holy" thing? Do I need your validation to have it "my way"? I mean have you got ominpowers. Your not some Syed or Makhdoom or some holy figure here that is elevated and has owned the power to validate/affirm others?

In which case I bow to you El sidd.
 
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Thanks but what is it with the "holy" thing? Do I need your validation to have it "my way"? I mean have you got ominpowers. Your not some Syed or Makhdoom or some holy figure here that is elevated and has owned the power to validate/affirm others?

In which case I bow to you El sidd.


I have an opinion. I said have it your way if you think such a thread will have an impact.

With Saudis in CPEC and UAE opposition to it. You could have made it realistic. But you wanted to make a special point that islamic unity doesn't exist. Next time your aryan country runs out of petrol we will see how that goes

As far as sheikh syed makhdoom or whatever is concerned. I have zero regards for such title and i see them as a tool to oppress people. Lol love your knee jerk reaction to bow to some sheikh or aryan or pure bred Brit.

You need foreign theories to solve local issues.

There in one sentence lies all the gist of it.
 
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If you ask anyone in the world to do something for the sake of Allah where there is no benefit to them (and potentially even material harm) maybe one in a hundred will. The rest will look after number 1, and this is natural.

The leaders of countries, especially in this era are the least likely people to do something for nothing. They are power hungry people, the exact opposite of what an islamic leader should be.

Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) spent his final days in prison. He was imprisoned because he refused to become the chief judge. He told the sultan he was not the right person, the sultan said he was lying, to which he replied even more reason not to appoint him. Men of that calibre deserve leadership, not those who seek it. Knowing this we know the benefits of Islam cannot be used to reason with our current leadership.

In light of this any union of Muslim nations would initially need to be built on worldly benefit - of which there are many. I suggest anyone interested in seeking a union of Muslim nations study the formation of the EU.

A few things to consider;

1. Phased union. The EU didn't happen overnight, it took the best part of 40 years to get here.
2. Economic parity (there must be financial benefit for all. Participants must close the economic gap before joining).
3. Limited migration between countries.
4. Keeping national autonomy. Until the union is strong and well integrated nation states should keep political autonomy.
5. Joint interest. All participating nations have to have joint interests.

Slowly as the economic imbalance is balanced out (and percieved threat to finances is reduced), Migration will be easier, laws will be harmonised (as they are in the EU), policy will be built and implemented at a union level, the political leader will gain more power, foreign policy will align, defence resources will be shared, but it could 100 years. In that time if education levels increase and people dedicated to the cause of the caliphate propagate the message, anything is possible.
 
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Next time your aryan country runs out of petrol we will see how that goes
Next time Pakistan needs next gen fighters or backup at the Security Council I will see what your superior circumcized brothers floating on oil will do. You saw that recently. When Trump growled at Pakistan. Athiest China sent a non too subtle message to USA. So did your "munificient petrol pool" by giving Trump $100 billion of defence contracts. Way to go.
 
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Next time Pakistan needs next gen fighters or backup at the Security Council I will see what your superior circumcized brothers floating on oil will do. You saw that recently. When Trump growled at Pakistan. Athiest China sent a non too subtle message to USA. So did your "munificient petrol pool" by giving Trump $100 billion of defence contracts. Way to go.


You boys know your on the same side right?
 
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