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Islamic Union - Islamic Union - Saudia Arabia + Pakistan + UAE.

Islamic Union - Saudia Arabia + Pakistan + UAE. Do you vote?


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Actually this union would primarily be economic - similar to how EEC was in 1980s. It would provide -

1. Preferance rights to trade
2. Preferance rights to labour movement.


This 'Islamic brotherhood' ideologue can probably work and could happen at the 'end of days', the last few days/months/years before the doomsday, the final days start.

As it is believed there would be 'an end of civilization' before(few years) the 'end of time' or the 'end of days'...the Qayyamah.
 
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Pakistan is doing fine alone.

If there is business to be done we can do it under fair agreements with anyone and this looks like someone woke up after going to bed in the early 70s late 60s.

If you need something to cling upon and take it to show and tell. Take CPEC

The world is slowly moving away from Oil and you want to drill us back into hysteria?

Over Shahs dead body i tell you
 
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I don't think shared religion is sufficent
Pakistan was created on basis of shared religion and still exists
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Union with KSA and UAE would not work for many reasons, even the union within GCC would not work. You need independent and strong governments standing on their own feet, free of external pressure and loyalties. EU is example.
 
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Pakistan was created on basis of shared religion and still exists
Pakistan was created by the British. But leaving that for another time there is "shared religion" next door in Afghanistan and another 30 plus countries on our West. Don't see much "sharing" at the moment? Are they like another class of Muslims. Do we like have sort of Hindu Varna system of types of categories of Muslims? Just wondering?
 
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Pakistan was created by the British. But leaving that for another time there is "shared religion" next door in Afghanistan and another 30 plus countries on our West. Don't see much "sharing" at the moment? Are they like another class of Muslims. Do we like have sort of Hindu Varna system of types of categories of Muslims? Just wondering?
Pakistan was created on only base of TWO NATION THEORY SIR !!!
My grandfather still can't speak Urdu. We don't share anything else with Punjabis, Sindhis and Baluch, but he and his tribe stood by Jinnah, who was struggling for separate a country for Muslims of India.

Iran has strong government, if Pakistan had one, a union with Iran could have worked. It's about strong, independent governments, which all three countries lack.
Your most powerful president fells down on just one call from White House. When a govt can't stand with her decisions, how a union could work in such cases ? Spinning top toys can just obey orders.
 
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Please vote Yes or NO.

No.

Advantages for Pakistan

  • A large source of federal funds for spending
  • An extremely powerful and advanced air force
  • Some of the best equipment available
  • Battle-tested tanks
  • A Strong economy
  • A strong relationship not only with the U.S but every oil-consuming country on earth.
  • An extremely powerful strategic position
  • Control over the Persian Gulf
  • Control of the Arabian sea
  • Control of the Red Sea
  • A Massive landmass with a rich heritage and culture that is ripe for tourism
  • A Lot of Tourism
  • Lot's and Lot's of Oil
  • Pakistan could suffocate India's trade
  • A huge and advanced Navy
  • A very nationalistic and religious population that doesn't interfere in politics
  • The heart of Islam Mecca
  • A lot of religious tourism
  • Lot's and lot's of trade


What does Oman, UAE, and Saudi Arabia get?
  • Troops
  • A place to dump more money in.
  • A Massive landmass with a rich heritage and culture and geography that is ripe for tourism
  • India as an enemy
  • Afghanistan as a neighbor
  • A very talented and skilled population
  • Loss of trade with India
  • Deportation of all Indians( Which is a good thing)


This is way more tilted to help Pakistan than any of these Gulf states. Why would Saudi or the UAE accept any of this?
 
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Okay. Imagine if Pakistan joined Saudia Arabia, Oman, UAE in a political union to make a united ummah titled the "Islamic Union". Would you suppor this. Please vote Yes or NO. And give reasons. Pakistan would be required to teach the language of Islam - Arabic. It would be made national language of Pakistan helping it to fit with the Islamic Union. A road linking Lahore with Mecca would be built using Gwadar as ferry port to Muscat. Pakistan was made for Muslims. This would be the consummation of that project.

Map of Islamic Union


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* Of course I voted "No". I don't think shared religion is sufficent to bind together this union. Only Arab and Pakistani please vote. And do please give reasons for your vote. Thanks

@Sharif al-Hijaz @EgyptianAmerican @camel Guy @Khafee @etc

its now water under the bridge.
way too much has been said and done by instruments of cold start.
 
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Why would Saudi or the UAE accept any of this?
We be. We be ........................ Mmmm Muslims? Honest! And we would lick your testicles for eternity?




its now water under the bridge.
way too much has been said and done by instruments of cold start.
Please expand what you mean.

@EgyptianAmerican Thanks for that great post. This is type of posts I was hoping. Not binary no/yes or riddles. But a factual simple analysis backed up with enumerated reasons.
 
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Well, thanks for elaborating why you voted no. If Western Europe can unite under European Union why is such a idea "far fetched"? And others could join the union just like EU has expanded.
EU is quite different to what u r proposing here. U r proposing a political union with a common language...kind of like what the Ottoman Empire was. If such a union could work then the Ottoman Empire wouldn't have broken up. Such a union(with other countries joining in like Turkey/Egypt/etc.) would indeed put the Muslims back up among the top world powers but the ppl are not ready. A lot of ppl from different regions identify strongly with their ethnicity and religion alone wouldn't bind them together. A Tunisian would find very little in common with a Baloch. Besides we all have myopic attitudes and are far too divided(currently and for the foreseeable future) for this to work out. The only way it could work is if everyone was kept in line with force...which wouldn't be ideal.
 
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EU is quite different to what u r proposing here. U r proposing a political union with a common language...kind of like what the Ottoman Empire was. If such a union could work then the Ottoman Empire wouldn't have broken up. Such a union(with other countries joining in like Turkey/Egypt/etc.) would indeed put the Muslims back up among the top world powers but the ppl are not ready. A lot of ppl from different regions identify strongly with their ethnicity and religion alone wouldn't bind them together. A Tunisian would find very little in common with a Baloch. Besides we all have myopic attitudes and are too divided(currently and for the foreseeable future) for this to work out. The only way it could work is if everyone was kept in line with force...which wouldn't be ideal.
I disagree. Have you ever heard of the Two Nation Theory? From that you can surmise by deductive logic that all Muslims are one nation. The theory is premised on the fact that religion is a greater denominator than ethnic/lingustic or other demographic factors. It therefore follows Arabs/Sindhi/Punjabi etc is one peoples.

What does Oman, UAE, and Saudi Arabia get?
  • Troops
  • A place to dump more money in.
  • A Massive landmass with a rich heritage and culture and geography that is ripe for tourism
  • India as an enemy
  • Afghanistan as a neighbor
  • A very talented and skilled population
  • Loss of trade with India
  • Deportation of all Indians( Which is a good thing)
Could you please add the following -

* Millions would lick your [Arab] testicles in Pakistan
* Millions would be prepared to fight and die for you.
* Millions would look at you in awe and listen to every Arabic vowel coming out of your mouth.

So are you interested? Let your Muslim brothers be one with you? Okay we are bit poor but hey when do Muslims look down on the poor? Please let us join you. We will even change the name of the country to "Bakistan".
 
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Would the best solution here not be to let time do its job and let the inevitable progress for the better occur naturally? I mean, should we not all get our own house in order first before we attempt such projects? It's a genuine question.

Because my theory is that success breeds success. If a nation or more nations in a region have success (not temporary but based on strong foundations) the neighborhood will eventually want to emulate that nation/those nations and economic, geographic, cultural, religious, ethnic etc. factors will act as added initiatives to do so.

Therefore I always tend to focus on the economy the most. If that is working or on the right track (in country x or region y) there is a potential for closer overall ties. The GCC is a good example. Now all countries are adjusting to a post-oil/gas/natural resources economy and while the countries are doing this on their own by enacting their own laws and policies to change this, the overall region is working together simply because it benefits all parties. A strong and stable GCC is in the interests of all GCC nations. Of course shared language, ethnicity, culture, religion helps this but we also see this in the very diverse European Union or Europe. Or at least we saw it post WW2.

Of course it is not far-fetched to expect something similar to occur in the region and wider Muslim world at point in the future. When I say Muslim world here I obviously look at this from the perspective of the immediate region and I am not here talking about Western Papua (Indonesian land) or the Muslim minority in Benin in Western Africa.

Also religion is one thing. National states are a completely different matter. People in Muslim country x or y might want closer ties to other Muslim nations but if say Sudan benefits enormously from communist and atheist China, this will obviously weight more than whatever ties Sudan might have with their neighbor to the West in Chad. So while religion is not the main "drug" that nation states seek, the average person and their preferences, wishes, aspirations and feelings towards people with a similar religion, might weight more but this often only manifests itself in personal relations or whenever private companies have businesses with say fellow Arab companies or Muslim ones. Other than that, not so much. This is obviously not exclusive to Muslims but all humans. That has always been the case and likely always will be.

My two quick cents for those bothering to read.

No.

Advantages for Pakistan

  • A large source of federal funds for spending
  • An extremely powerful and advanced air force
  • Some of the best equipment available
  • Battle-tested tanks
  • A Strong economy
  • A strong relationship not only with the U.S but every oil-consuming country on earth.
  • An extremely powerful strategic position
  • Control over the Persian Gulf
  • Control of the Arabian sea
  • Control of the Red Sea
  • A Massive landmass with a rich heritage and culture that is ripe for tourism
  • A Lot of Tourism
  • Lot's and Lot's of Oil
  • Pakistan could suffocate India's trade
  • A huge and advanced Navy
  • A very nationalistic and religious population that doesn't interfere in politics
  • The heart of Islam Mecca
  • A lot of religious tourism
  • Lot's and lot's of trade


What does Oman, UAE, and Saudi Arabia get?
  • Troops
  • A place to dump more money in.
  • A Massive landmass with a rich heritage and culture and geography that is ripe for tourism
  • India as an enemy
  • Afghanistan as a neighbor
  • A very talented and skilled population
  • Loss of trade with India
  • Deportation of all Indians( Which is a good thing)


This is way more tilted to help Pakistan than any of these Gulf states. Why would Saudi or the UAE accept any of this?

Well put brother. However have in mind that the world is a dynamic place. What appears to be the case today might not be so in 20 years time. Today this project (and I voted no without any second thoughts) might seem far-fetched and maybe outright ridiculous but in the future it might not be. I am not talking about an union here but the topics that I have raised previously. Similar to how it is very much possible for KSA and Iran to have cordial ties again as pre-1979 or for EVEN Palestine-Israel to eventually find a solution or for Pakistan and India to end all hostiles. The world is a crazy place but stranger things have happened. WW2 says hello for instance. That is not long ago. In fact not at all if you look at recorded history.
 
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If people notice I voted "No" because I do not have any faith in such a project - however I wanted to test out my contention that there is no such thing as "Islamic" unity or "Muslim brotherhood". It counts jack. It counts a big zero in the real world. A athiest state like China in practical terms is far better as a partner then another so called "Muslim" country.

Actually this union would primarily be economic - similar to how EEC was in 1980s. It would provide -

1. Preferance rights to trade
2. Preferance rights to labour movement.

Therefore from a economic/defence point of view it would make every reason to be a success. Pakistan could provide labour. KSA would provide oil. UAE etc gas. All on preferantial basis.

I am sorry but you are a very sad individual and quite a frustrated one at that either.
You have to put out ATHEIST China at every corner and MUSLIM Pakistan at the other.

Let me just help you draw your conclusion.

For fair distribution of wealth and resource a Secular form of Government should be installed in Pakistan that would make sure that all the parts of the country are developed equally and no oppression under the guise of islam occurs.

Kaptaan - Just because you are confused you have no right to confuse little children here who come here after school and university to horseplay their nationalism.
 
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I am sorry but you are a very sad individual
I know. It's ever so sad. Is it not?

You have to put out ATHEIST China at every corner and MUSLIM Pakistan at the other.
And is that not the reality. Is it not fact. Or have I missed something here?

And no. I am not confused. Actually quite the opposite. I have a very orderly thought process. Possibly overly reductive. That likes everything logical and clear. Quite diametric to confused.
 
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