Islam was ‘never part of Europe’: Hungary’s Orban

[-SINAN-]

Guys, let's not involve Turkey in your imaginary wars, please.

 

[flamer84]

yeah and jesus was a white european with blond hair and blue eyes
besides refugees don't want to go to hungary or poor eastern europe any way

Ofcourse they don't ,they want Western hand outs.

70% of refugees drop out of apprentiship.

Handwerkskammer in Bayern: „70 Prozent der Flüchtlinge brechen Ausbildung ab“ - Wirtschaftspolitik - FAZ

7 out of every 8 Syrians are still unemployed and on social benefits 4 years after they arrive in Denmark.

Kun få syriske flygtninge kommer i arbejde - Politik | www.bt.dk

So,basically,they don't want to work,they don't want to integrate.What good are they other than to leech from hard working peoples taxes ?

 

[AUz]

There is much to laugh about in your dellusional posts,starting from the fact that you think that muslims hold some sort of power in Europe

Don't forget your comprehension skills.

I never said Muslims hold power in Europe. Muslims hold power globally, as in...throughout the globe in multiple continents. In terms of hard power and influence, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have more of it than any European nation (except a few).

European nations are only economic powers (that too, is only Germany if you really look at it.). What 'influence' France/UK hold to shape things beyond their borders? (without the help/intervention of U.S). Merely any.

to the fact of calling states like Italy,Spain,Poland,Netherlands,etc-puny,ending with

Poland, Netherlands, Italy, Spain aren't punny states?

What do they have? What role in international arena? What influence they hold anywhere? Who goes to them if there's some regional issues? LOL!!

Should have wrote Romania while you were at it.

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a bigger international power than all European nations except may be Germany.

Hell, Saudis own hundreds of billions worth of assets inside European mainland through their sovereign wealth funds. While economies of Spain/Italy have over 100% debt-to-GDP ratio...lmao!!!

Influence of Saudi Arabia in the most critical global market (energy) makes them a more relevant player in International Arena than Spain/Italy/Poland/France....combined.

the grand joke that Turkey could actually be a threat to Europe

A threat to Europe? Never said it. Europe is a continent. Turkey is a country.

However, Turkey's presence will make the occurrence of a holocaust type genocide to Muslims in Eastern Europe very unlikely.

Turkey can single-handedly crush 95% of the European states (if there's no outside interference)---including Greece, Poland, and mighty Hungary if it comes to that. But why would they? Turks are happy and growing. It is Europe that is old, dying, energyless, and having already lost much of its indigenous culture to foreign forces.

And no,look at the mood,the right,the extreme right is rising,we won't just take it lying down as you suggested,Islam almost overran the entire continent a few hundred years ago but it was pushed back.

I discussed that in previous post. Islam won't 'over-run' Europe. It will be the biggest minority in Europe at best.

You need to calm down.

Rise of right-wing will destroy Europe more than anything...

 

[flamer84]

Don't forget your comprehension skills.

I never said Muslims hold power in Europe. Muslims hold power globally, as in...throughout the globe in multiple continents. In terms of hard power and influence, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have more of it than any European nation (except a few).

European nations are only economic powers (that too, is only Germany if you really look at it.). What 'influence' France/UK hold to shape things beyond their borders? (without the help/intervention of U.S). Merely any.





Poland, Netherlands, Italy, Spain aren't punny states?

What do they have? What role in international arena? What influence they hold anywhere? Who goes to them if there's some regional issues? LOL!!

Should have wrote Romania while you were at it.



A threat to Europe? Never said it. Europe is a continent. Turkey is a country.

However, Turkey's presence will make the occurrence of a holocaust type genocide to Muslims in Eastern Europe very unlikely.

Turkey can single-handedly crush 95% of the European states (if there's no outside interference)---including Greece, Poland, and mighty Hungary if it comes to that. But why would they? Turks are happy and growing. It is Europe that is old, dying, energyless, and having already lost much of its indigenous culture to foreign forces.



I discussed that in previous post. Islam won't 'over-run' Europe. It will be the biggest minority in Europe at best.

You need to calm down.

Rise of right-wing will destroy Europe more than anything...

Spain,Italy are much more developed and scientific advanced than Turkey.Same for the Netherlands.These countries build their own destroyers ,submarines,are involeved in consortiums like Airbus,radar,missile tech,etc.They are influent in NorthernAfrica,the Mediteraneean Sea.Remember the Morrocans trying to muscle their way on some uninhabited Spanish islands and getting evicted immediately.

The only way from stopping the extreme right wing to rise (which i agree would be a good thing) would be for citizens fears to be appeased but that means stopping non Euro immigration and for the muslim community to integrate,which isn't happenning.

Eastern Europe won't genocide Muslims as Eastern Europe doesn't have problems with its muslim communities,the problem is with muslim communities in the West,they are far more radicalised and opposed to mainstream European culture.Eastern Europe just wants to avoid the Western debacle and that's why it opposed the current immigration quotas.

 

[Mirzah]

Ofcourse they don't ,they want Western hand outs.

70% of refugees drop out of apprentiship.

Handwerkskammer in Bayern: „70 Prozent der Flüchtlinge brechen Ausbildung ab“ - Wirtschaftspolitik - FAZ

7 out of every 8 Syrians are still unemployed and on social benefits 4 years after they arrive in Denmark.

Kun få syriske flygtninge kommer i arbejde - Politik | www.bt.dk

So,basically,they don't want to work,they don't want to integrate.What good are they other than to leech from hard working peoples taxes ?

come back and cry when a single refugee actually settles in a poor backwater eastern European country like Romania or Hungary
meanwhile, Romania and Bulgaria migrants reach record high - Telegraph
Romania and Bulgaria migrants drive the leap in European migration to Britain | Daily Mail Online

 

[flamer84]

come back and cry when a single refugee actually settles in a poor backwater eastern European country like Romania or Hungary
meanwhile, Romania and Bulgaria migrants reach record high - Telegraph
Romania and Bulgaria migrants drive the leap in European migration to Britain | Daily Mail Online

8 out of 9 Romanians are not on welfare in Britain.You're not really adressing the points in my previous post.British firms are actually actively recruiting in here,it's my case to,i got a job offer after an online and face to face interview.I didn't storm borders by pushing my wife in front of the border guards.

 

[AUz]

Spain,Italy are much more developed and scientific advanced than Turkey.

Yet, ALL of these nations are less powerful than Turkey.

Stop being so gullible. Switzerland is more "advanced" than China. Sweden is far more "advanced" than Russia.

Does it matter at all? lols.

In international arena, only one thing matters---power. And this is where Turkey is ahead of 95% of European states.

.These countries build their own destroyers ,submarines,are involeved in consortiums like Airbus,radar,missile tech,etc

So do Turks. They are also a critical partner in F-35 program and have ordered 116 F-35s!! (That is when they already have 240+ F-16s block 52s, which can take out any airforce fielded by Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Hungary, Poland, or even mighty Romania.)

Eastern Europe won't genocide Muslims as Eastern Europe doesn't have problems with its muslim communities,the problem is with muslim communities in the West,they are far more radicalised and opposed to mainstream European culture.Eastern Europe just wants to avoid the Western debacle and that's why it opposed the current immigration quotas.

Western Europe has tens of millions of Muslims...and it is doing fine. Offcourse, in such a big number--you'll find radical unintegrated idiots. But it doesn't mean that Muslims are the problem.

Its in the interest of Muslims and Islam to get integrated into Europe.

 

[Mirzah]

8 out of 9 Romanians are not on welfare in Britain.

'EU migrant risks’ Romanians are EIGHT times more likely to be jailed as Britons

ROMANIAN Immigrants are eight times more likely to be jailed in the UK than Britons, official figures have revealed.
By ANDY RUSSELL
PUBLISHED: 07:14, Mon, Feb 23, 2015 | UPDATED: 12:09, Wed, Apr 22, 2015

GETTY/SWNS

Constantin Alexandroaia was arrested for blowing up cash machines
Of the 126,000 Romanians living in Britain, 760 are in prison, according to the Ministry of Justice.

By contrast of the 617,000 Poles living in the UK, only 573 are in jail. One prisoner in eight is a foreign national – a proportion that has doubled in the 10 years since mass immigration from eastern Europe.

The latest statistics cover the period from October 2013 to March 2014, during which restrictions were lifted on Romanian and Bulgarian migrants.

A breakdown of the figures for jails in England and Wales show that Romanians, Albanians and Lithuanians are all proportionately more likely to be jailed than native Britons. Tory MP Philip Davies, who obtained the figures, called them “staggering and unacceptable”.

He said: “This lays bare that free movement in the EU also means free movement of criminals. We are unnecessarily opening our borders to lots of people to commit crimes, who create unnecessary victims of crime in the UK. That is why we would be better off outside the EU.”

Lord Green, the chairman of Migration Watch, added: “These statistics strengthen the case for tightening the arrangements within the EU for the removal of convicted criminals to their country of origin.”

The majority of prisoners are British – 34,168 out of a jail population of 39,773. The most likely foreigners to be jailed were Vietnamese or Albanians with more than one per cent of their populations in prison. Separate data from police forces shows that 11,000 Romanians are arrested each year, most for shoplifting.

The figure represents two percent of all arrests even though Romanians make up only 0.2 per cent of the population.

In December last year, Romanian Constantin Alexandroaia, 33, was jailed for blowing up three cash machines in the Midlands by forcing explosive gas into them and stealing £27,000. They were the first raids of their kind in the UK.

 

[-SINAN-]

Yet, ALL of these nations are less powerful than Turkey.

Stop being so gullible. Switzerland is more "advanced" than China. Sweden is far more "advanced" than Russia.

Does it matter at all? lols.

In international arena, only one thing matters---power. And this is where Turkey is ahead of 95% of European states.



So do Turks. They are also a critical partner in F-35 program and have ordered 116 F-35s!! (That is when they already have 240+ F-16s block 52s, which can take out any airforce fielded by Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Hungary, Poland, or even mighty Romania.)




Western Europe has tens of millions of Muslims...and it is doing fine. Offcourse, in such a big number--you'll find radical unintegrated idiots. But it doesn't mean that Muslims are the problem.

Its in the interest of Muslims and Islam to get integrated into Europe.

Mate, i think you are over-looking the issue. Turkish people in Europe are well integrated into society, they are hard working people while preserving their culture and identity. @flamer84 's issue is mostly related with refugees. I don't think, he has any problem with Turkish people in Europe at all.

 

[flamer84]

'EU migrant risks’ Romanians are EIGHT times more likely to be jailed as Britons

ROMANIAN Immigrants are eight times more likely to be jailed in the UK than Britons, official figures have revealed.
By ANDY RUSSELL
PUBLISHED: 07:14, Mon, Feb 23, 2015 | UPDATED: 12:09, Wed, Apr 22, 2015

GETTY/SWNS

Constantin Alexandroaia was arrested for blowing up cash machines
Of the 126,000 Romanians living in Britain, 760 are in prison, according to the Ministry of Justice.

By contrast of the 617,000 Poles living in the UK, only 573 are in jail. One prisoner in eight is a foreign national – a proportion that has doubled in the 10 years since mass immigration from eastern Europe.

The latest statistics cover the period from October 2013 to March 2014, during which restrictions were lifted on Romanian and Bulgarian migrants.

A breakdown of the figures for jails in England and Wales show that Romanians, Albanians and Lithuanians are all proportionately more likely to be jailed than native Britons. Tory MP Philip Davies, who obtained the figures, called them “staggering and unacceptable”.

He said: “This lays bare that free movement in the EU also means free movement of criminals. We are unnecessarily opening our borders to lots of people to commit crimes, who create unnecessary victims of crime in the UK. That is why we would be better off outside the EU.”

Lord Green, the chairman of Migration Watch, added: “These statistics strengthen the case for tightening the arrangements within the EU for the removal of convicted criminals to their country of origin.”

The majority of prisoners are British – 34,168 out of a jail population of 39,773. The most likely foreigners to be jailed were Vietnamese or Albanians with more than one per cent of their populations in prison. Separate data from police forces shows that 11,000 Romanians are arrested each year, most for shoplifting.

The figure represents two percent of all arrests even though Romanians make up only 0.2 per cent of the population.

In December last year, Romanian Constantin Alexandroaia, 33, was jailed for blowing up three cash machines in the Midlands by forcing explosive gas into them and stealing £27,000. They were the first raids of their kind in the UK.

I've adressed these points many times on this forum,just do a search-it's about criminals doing what they did in Romania to,criminal acts and taking advantage of freedom of movement.Still 8 out of 9 Romanians are not on welfare.

Mate, i think you are over-looking the issue. Turkish people in Europe are well integrated into society, they are hard working people while preserving their culture and identity. @flamer84 's issue is mostly related with refugees. I don't think, he has any problem with Turkish people in Europe at all.

I'm not even going into that,i'm tired of repeating myself over the last 2 years .Same as i'm tired of the "Eastern Europeans act this way because of the Ottoman Empire nonsense"-it's about the shock that Easterners get when they see people failing to integrate in the West.

 

[Mirzah]

I've adressed these points many times on this forum,just do a search-it's about criminals doing what they did in Romania to,criminal acts and taking advantage of freedom of movement.Still 8 out of 9 Romanians are not on welfare.

check out the Brits petition to UK government to stop the hordes of Romanians and Bulgarians from invading UK, it got 153,828 signatures cry me a river when a single refugee actually states " i will settle in romania"

PetitionStop mass immigration from Bulgarian and Romanians in 2014, when EU restrictions on immigration are relaxed.
In 2014 EU restrictions are set be removed, allowing nationals of Bulgaria and Romania ‘free movement’ to the UK. The move is similar to the one that granted access to around 600,000 Polish immigrants to enter Britain over recent years.

Despite Bulgaria and Romania joining the EU in 2005, restrictions were put on the number who could move to Britain. However, those restrictions will be abolished in 2014.

Once the restrictions are lifted all new comers will entitled to claim benefits, housing, child, job seekers etc. There is currently an estimated 1.5 million people seeking work within the two countries

The impact will also put pressure on housing, infrastructure, schools, and heath care. All at a time the government are cutting pensions, jobs, public services and the armed forces.

I request the government suspends the easing on these restrictions for another 5 years.

The government requests to renegotiate the immigration laws within the EU.

Stop mass immigration from Bulgarian and Romanians in 2014, when EU restrictions on immigration are relaxed. - Petitions

 

[bdslph]

hahahaha dream on Islam is part of Europe

 

[-SINAN-]

I've adressed these points many times on this forum,just do a search-it's about criminals doing what they did in Romania to,criminal acts and taking advantage of freedom of movement.Still 8 out of 9 Romanians are not on welfare.




I'm not even going into that,i'm tired of repeating myself over the last 2 years .Same as i'm tired of the "Eastern Europeans act this way because of the Ottoman Empire nonsense"-it's about the shock that Easterners get when they see people failing to integrate in the West.

EU's welfare thing is a bit weird to me......Forget welfare, refugees are not even allowed to work in Turkey.

 

[Gabriel92]

What is there to laugh? I mean, we aren't talking about 'french' here who'll just sit and let Nazis destroy their a$$es...

Seriously though, the biggest LOL is @ punny elements of punny little European states (everyone expect France, Germany, UK) who dream of "pure" EUROPA and destruction of Islam in Europe etc.

Turks would probably over-run them faster than French surrendering..hehe..

Anyways, Europe doesn't have the energy to even try to do any more genocides. Whats the average age in Germany again?



Vast number of Americans are also "white"---does that mean that U.S is an ethnic white state?

People here don't give a sh!t about christianity (except few crazies of South). Drugs, alcohol, sex before marriage, kids out of wedlock, greed, luxury etc are the daily lifestyle of the Americans. How "christian"...LOL! Majority of Americans aren't even christian--believe me. They just get "registered" as christians cuz their 'heritage' is christian.

And I'm living in America because its the best country in the world. Problem?

A Pakistani should be the last person in the world to insult others of surrendering..... ask the Indians.
@Abingdonboy @SrNair @SarthakGanguly

 

[jammersat]

From Saudi Arabia Islam comes and to Saudi Arabia it shall return..