Is the Navy Planning on procuring replacements for P3-Cs?

[Rockets]

1- For IN, as for now its about configuration and the munitions that the aircraft is going to carry.

2- It makes sense that they don't.

3- Vintage? Pakistani Orion's MAD instrument and modernization with Hawkeye 2000 AEW system will keep being a headache for Indian submarines.

4- Most forumers tend to confuse naval warfare with 'strategy games'

Of course the countries have their own choice but submarine launched nuclear missiles are generally regarded as second-strike capabilities which means let alone a nuclear attack your are talking about a nuclear retaliation after India's hit by Pakistan with nukes and his nuclear missile units are destroyed which is never going to happen so eliminate the SLBMs since when its used both India and Pakistan will burn each other. SLBMs are not weapons but a must have deterrence until WW3 is started.

So what is Pakistan, a no-mads land? Perception of ASW/MPAs are detection and reconnaissance (attack if the aircraft is armed) so they won't be flying just off the beaches. They are tasked to perform their duties hundreds of miles away.

5- Indian Navy has a significant superiority over PN and they know how to use that. But a CBG is very expensive to operate and requires vast logistic support. And seriously how do you think they are gonna;

"One Carrier Battle Group will blockade Gwadar...lets say Vikramaditya.

Second carrier Battle group will blockade Karachi INS Viraat/ ViKrant(once it is completed)..Mig 29s from Gujrat can also provide air cover/strike Karachi." ??

6- It's about budget. For India; the more you spend on the Navy more superior you'll become.


There's a reason why we humans are never and will be able to predict the progress of a battle and its results on a tactical scale. Because it's complex and a lot of factors are on display. In naval warfare the environment, training of staff, agility, strategies and many more facts are on the desk. Even one second can save an entire ship or it can cost the lives of hundreds.

So one can only be a fool to understand that IN has a massive edge over PN but don't trust yourself too much.

What the heck dude PN does not even has ships more than Indian coast guard please look at the number of ships. We don't need IN dude. If we will use IN it will be a massive overkill just one or one destroyer with migs and the biggest advantage is MF-Starr which is going to secure 400 km so any movement from Pak navy and it is visible in here. one is enough. Heck even that will be overkill our coast guard's OPV's are enough to handle them. Lol Seriously

 

[maxpayne]

Indian western coast is always monitored by PN. Any time any type of vessel leave Indian coast is immediately identified by saved signatures or by any other mean. So guys don't worry about naval defence. Now India can never have surprise visit to us. Remember guys, if blockading Pakistan become so easy as these !diots r stating, a India would never waited a second to exploit it. We r safe because we are watching, and ready to punch any aggressor and yes we have a strong punch!!

 

[Rockets]

Indian western coast is always monitored by PN. Any time any type of vessel leave Indian coast is immediately identified by saved signatures or by any other mean. So guys don't worry about naval defence. Now India can never have surprise visit to us. Remember guys, if blockading Pakistan become so easy as these !diots r stating, a India would never waited a second to exploit it. We r safe because we are watching, and ready to punch any aggressor and yes we have a strong punch!!

@ares Do tell him what is strong punch and why we are not interested in exploiting the free will given by them.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Lol Zdk 03 is an Awacs and not maritime patrol aircraft.
Second there is no data link capability in CM 400 or c803..they have INS for mid course guidance and active radar/ infrared seeker for terminal guidance

Even is you close your eyes and launch the missile blind at its maximum range 180 to 230 kms..in general direction of the suspected target(because JF 17-radar can not look that far) ...hoping terminal radar will lock on to some indian navy ship at least.

Then also you will have to overcome the aircraft carriers first line of defence..I.e Mig 29s- on CAP to launch those missiles.

Some how even if your IF 17s manage to evade the Mig 29s on CAP and launch their missiles...these are subsonic missiles flying high above the radar horizon can be shot down by Barak 2 or even air to air missile launched by Mig 29..provided it can track it.
CM 400- only goes supersonic in its terminal phase and not before that.
Last line of defence is obviously Barak 1 and AK 630- Guns.
So targetting carrier battle group ain't that easy.

As far as blockading Karachi is concerned ..forget about aircraft carriers ..stealth destroyers and nuclear submarines..last time Karachi was blockaded by 4 small boats.

FYI ZDK 03 has an air to sea mode too and it can guide anti ship as well as a2a missiles.And C803 has different variants with one having datalink capability.Now does Pakistan has the one with datalink capability remaims a mystery.....
You think we will be blind to where your CBG or ships are.Now come out of 1971....Its almost half a century ago..We have AWACS,MPA's as well as naval aviation which wasnt as that time.So forget that we will not know ur ships' location.
LOL.Your info on missiles is pathetic.FYI Cm400 AKG is supersonic in its entire flight which goes hypersonic in its final vertical dive.Also FYI C803 is a sea skimmimg missile and does not "flying high above the radar horizon" as per your opinion.
And as we know from the gulf wars that intercepting a sea skimming missile is pretty difficult.We have the example in which an Iraqi Mirage F1 fired a single exo et missile which hit an american guided missile frigate.
AS far as blockading Karachi is concerned,u r still stuck in 70's.Now move on.I already explained that above.
P.S.Please improve your info of missiles beefore posting something

War Khan,

Massive increase in Navy Budget. ???????

From $700 million to What ?????? LOL LOL

BE RELISTIC.

No good ranting THINK WITH YOU BRAIN not your heart.

Countries loose wars like this.

HOT HEADS but no brains or muscle ..

You are so far behind in navy capability its a joke to even compare.

Oops.PN's current budget is 1B $.
As i alteady explained above that procurement budget is not included in this amount rather it is saperately allocated from the budget.
Go through my previous posts kid.U have no idea about naval warfare.I will not reply again to ur childish posts

What the heck dude PN does not even has ships more than Indian coast guard please look at the number of ships. We don't need IN dude. If we will use IN it will be a massive overkill just one or one destroyer with migs and the biggest advantage is MF-Starr which is going to secure 400 km so any movement from Pak navy and it is visible in here. one is enough. Heck even that will be overkill our coast guard's OPV's are enough to handle them. Lol Seriously

In our Last Naval war..Pakistan had 26 principal combatants including 11 submarines while India had one...where as IN had 31 principal combatants.

Smoking weed are you?
LOL.Pakistan had just 4 subs at time.3 daphne and a single tench class.IN had 11 subs at that time.Also PN had 20 principle combatants.

 

[Rockets]

FYI ZDK 03 has an air to sea mode too and it can guide anti ship as well as a2a missiles.And C803 has different variants with one having datalink capability.Now does Pakistan has the one with datalink capability remaims a mystery.....
You think we will be blind to where your CBG or ships are.Now come out of 1971....Its almost half a century ago..We have AWACS,MPA's as well as naval aviation which wasnt as that time.So forget that we will not know ur ships' location.
LOL.Your info on missiles is pathetic.FYI Cm400 AKG is supersonic in its entire flight which goes hypersonic in its final vertical dive.Also FYI C803 is a sea skimmimg missile and does not "flying high above the radar horizon" as per your opinion.
And as we know from the gulf wars that intercepting a sea skimming missile is pretty difficult.We have the example in which an Iraqi Mirage F1 fired a single exo et missile which hit an american guided missile frigate.
AS far as blockading Karachi is concerned,u r still stuck in 70's.Now move on.I already explained that above.
P.S.Please improve your info of missiles beefore posting something


Oops.PN's current budget is 1B $.
As i alteady explained above that procurement budget is not included in this amount rather it is saperately allocated from the budget.
Go through my previous posts kid.U have no idea about naval warfare.I will not reply again to ur childish posts





Smoking weed are you?
LOL.Pakistan had just 4 subs at time.3 daphne and a single tench class.IN had 11 subs at that time.Also PN had 20 principle combatants.

What the heck @ares , @Last Samuri what joke is this.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

What the heck @ares , @Last Samuri what joke is this.

Sure kid.Call your daddies for help...........

 

[Rockets]

Sure kid.Call your daddies for help...........

Son call your bangle wearing navy for help of 71

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Son call your bangle wearing navy for help of 71

Hey Dumb @$$,still stuck in 70`s.......I know u have nothing to contribute to this thread so just F off

 

[Rockets]

Hey Dumb @$$,still stuck in 70`s.......I know u have nothing to contribute to this thread so just F off

Why are you crying i believe you have Blue water navy.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

@Oscar @Horus @Manticore Bhai kindly check this thread from the beginning, its about replacement of P3-C Orion and these chu^!#$ bring in their whole carrier battle group in the middle and trolling and littering for no good reason. Kindly address them and ask them to stay straight.

 

[S.Y.A]

Indian Navy currently has two aircraft carriers, while two more are different stages of construction/planning. Within a decade..Indian navy plans to have three operational aircraft carriers.

In any hypothetical war against Pakistan alone..Indian navy will have at least two aircraft carriers deployed on our western seaboard, even if one aircraft carrier remains in the east to deter the Chinese.

Pakistan as of now only has one principal port of Karachi..if and when Gwadar comes online..blockade of Gwadar would be essential to India navy's plans.

Yes, now Indian navy has massive advantage over PN, but it was always not so.

In our Last Naval war..Pakistan had 26 principal combatants including 11 submarines while India had one...where as IN had 31 principal combatants.

Even then Indian Navy managed to sink one third Pakistani fleet, laid waist to Pakistani harbours Karachi and Chittagong. Both East and West Pakistan were completely blockaded. Fires burnt in Karachi harbour for almost entire duration of the war, cause more than $3 Billion damage to Pakistan economy.( in 1971)

Pakistani losses at the end of the war were.

2 Destroyers
1 Minesweeper
1 Submarine
3 Patrol vessels
7 Gunboats
18 Cargo, Supply and Communication ships
3 Merchant Navy ships captured

While India lost one frigate.

It was not because IN numerical superiority or qualitative superiority that India won the war..but simply because of audacious planning and fearless execution.

you are seriously high on something.... pakistan never had numeric superiority, pakistan had 4 submarines, 3 daphne class, and one ghazi(that was sunk). and you seriously believe gunboats are principle combatants? you are beyond idiot.

1. Unlike Russian Navy and Chinese Navy which use Sukhois on the aircraft carriers..Indian navy decided to use Mig 29s.
Mig 29s are lot lighter than sukhois, they can carry full load of fuel in addition to full air to air load out ..when taking off.

For strike missions..Mig 29s have buddy buddy refueling pods...i.e .they can take off with complete strike load out and minimum fuel and once in air they can be refueled by another Mig 29 with a buddy refuelling pod and continue on the mission.

2. Pakistan Navy has never operated any jets even the current mirage 5s are operated by PAf but are at the disposal of Pakistan Navy ..

3. So if P-3s are the ones detecting the ships and then you do need them ..since this thread is about PN needing more P3c
You only have 7 P3- c remaining that too of 1980s vintage.

American aircrafts data linked with Chinese aircrafts..not happening.

4. And you are from forgetting about our submarines ..they can fire LACM from 300 Km away and Ballistic missiles from 3500 Km away(though these will be most likely nuclear)

5. 24 Air crafts will stationed on INS Vikramaditya.. rest Mig 29s will be stationed on Indian Naval bases near Pakistan border.

One Carrier Battle Group will blockade Gwadar...lets say Vikramaditya.

Second carrier Battle group will blockade Karachi INS Viraat/ ViKrant(once it is completed)..Mig 29s from Gujrat can also provide air cover/strike Karachi.

6. Pakistani navy severely outmatched in both surface , sub surface as well air fleets. At present it does not have the area denial abilty against India Navy.

A single Kolkatta class destroyer under air cover from Indian Navy Mig 29s can pump 16 Brahmos in to Karachi/Gwadar from 300 Kms away..completely obliterating these ports. similarly Kilo/Akula class can do the same with Club missile.

and a serious advice: read up on falklands war maybe then you will stop daydreaming. and if IN, IAF, and IA are indeed that strong why not try a war? your people did not have the balls to fight in 2001 and in 2008, and they still dont have em now.

 

[ares]

you are seriously high on something.... pakistan never had numeric superiority, pakistan had 4 submarines, 3 daphne class, and one ghazi(that was sunk). and you seriously believe gunboats are principle combatants? you are beyond idiot.


and a serious advice: read up on falklands war maybe then you will stop daydreaming. and if IN, IAF, and IA are indeed that strong why not try a war? your people did not have the balls to fight in 2001 and in 2008, and they still dont have em now.

1. I am always high on life ..but that is not the problem ..problem is your insufficient knowledge to participate in this discussions.

2. In 1971 Pakistan had 3 Daphne class subs
1 tench class sub
6 midget subs

3. I never said PN had numerical superiority but nor did IN have massive numerical superiority as it has now.
Nor did I call gunboats as principal combatants

Again it is a reflection of poor knowledge in addition to pathetic reading skills.

In 1971 PN had 26 Principal combatants.

1 Cruiser
5 destroyers
2 frigates
11 Submarines (3 Daphene , 1 Tench , 6 midget)
8 minesweeper

Whereas Indian navy had 31 principal combatants.

1 Aircraft Carrier
2 cruiser
3 destroyers
14 frigates
4 Anti Sub frigates
6 Missile Boats
1 Submarine

Yes I have read all about Faklands war..what do wanna discuss about faklands?

 

[ares]

FYI ZDK 03 has an air to sea mode too and it can guide anti ship as well as a2a missiles.And C803 has different variants with one having datalink capability.Now does Pakistan has the one with datalink capability remaims a mystery.....
You think we will be blind to where your CBG or ships are.Now come out of 1971....Its almost half a century ago..We have AWACS,MPA's as well as naval aviation which wasnt as that time.So forget that we will not know ur ships' location.
LOL.Your info on missiles is pathetic.FYI
is supersonic in its entire flight which goes hypersonic in its final vertical dive.Also FYI C803 is a sea skimmimg missile and does not "flying high above the radar horizon" as per your opinion.
And as we know from the gulf wars that intercepting a sea skimming missile is pretty difficult.We have the example in which an Iraqi Mirage F1 fired a single exo et missile which hit an american guided missile frigate.
AS far as blockading Karachi is concerned,u r still stuck in 70's.Now move on.I already explained that above.
P.S.Please improve your info of missiles beefore posting something


Oops.PN's current budget is 1B $.
As i alteady explained above that procurement budget is not included in this amount rather it is saperately allocated from the budget.
Go through my previous posts kid.U have no idea about naval warfare.I will not reply again to ur childish posts





Smoking weed are you?
LOL.Pakistan had just 4 subs at time.3 daphne and a single tench class.IN had 11 subs at that time.Also PN had 20 principle combatants.

1. Which anti ship missile can ZDK 03 guide? Name one.

2. No CM-400 AKG goes supersonic in its terminal phase only (Mach 4+).
where as Hypersonic speed is Mach 5.5 +

Brhamos a 3.2 tonne missile, which supersonic through out its flights, where as CM -400 AKG a 900 Kg Missile is not only supersonic through out its flight but also goes Hypersonic in terminal phase.

Where is it hiding all that fuel. Or is it running hot air..that Chinese have been pumping you up with.

Already explained about Pakistan Navy submarines 71 in above post ..go read it. And Indian Navy had only one submarine in 71.

 

[SurvivoR]

So as far as I gather, no we are not currently procuring any sort of replacement for the P3c Orions.

Secondly, I have to agree that the gap between IN and PN is enormous. We need to invest heavily in our navy in all its arms i.e. air, surface and sub-surface.

Though IMHO our best bet would be to have as many subs as possible to counter the huge IN effectively.

 

[kṣamā]

1. Which anti ship missile can ZDK 03 guide? Name one.

2. No CM-400 AKG goes supersonic in its terminal phase only (Mach 4+).
where as Hypersonic speed is Mach 5.5 +

Brhamos a 3.2 tonne missile, which supersonic through out its flights, where as CM -400 AKG a 900 Kg Missile is not only supersonic through out its flight but also goes Hypersonic in terminal phase.

Where is it hiding all that fuel. Or is it running hot air..that Chinese have been pumping you up with.

Already explained about Pakistan Navy submarines 71 in above post ..go read it. And Indian Navy had only one submarine in 71.

Dude you are again using logic !! How many times do you need to understand that Logic depreciating currency when talking to them ?? Isn't it like a billionth time we have to explain that AWACS do not have the resolution to guide ammunition ?? A trillionth time that their carrier killer is a glorified gravity glide bomb with a powered end phase ?? And you see these people quoting it as HYPER-SONIC !!!

LOL.Your info on missiles is pathetic.FYI Cm400 AKG is supersonic in its entire flight which goes hypersonic in its final vertical dive

I spilled my beer laughing at this. Dude you have a better career in stand-up comedy.