Is the Navy Planning on procuring replacements for P3-Cs?

[ares]

Three CVs will make India at the top of his AO.

Gwadar or Karachi, ir doesn't matter which port it is but PN will be insufficient to defend these areas. So it'll give an important responsibility to Pakistani air force. So it would only be a miracle if two carrier air wings suceed to take on a air force that has twenty active front line squadrons with 450 combat aircraft which will result with the involvement of Indian air force. These actions will result with a full scale conventional war. I believe India is far powerful with its massive budget and economic power but what civilian analysts can't understand is that no one can predict the outcomes of war. Thus even the example you've given, it proves it.

As for the red lines I don't know the past but for today's era, I had the opportunity to train along with PN officer cadets, they all were well trained to lead the fight, I am sure its the same for yours but war is not a strategy game that you can judge with quality and quantity.



Stopped reading after the second sentence, end of discussion. Good luck for your coast guard to deal with C-802s and RGM-84s.

First things first, we are talking about war scenario here..Act of blockade in itself is declaration of war.

So yes If IN and PN are fighting, then so are IAF and PAF and IA and PA...i.e India-Pakistan are at war..as it has already happened 4 times in our history.

Yes 45 Mig 29Ks and some 12 odd sea harriers of Indian Navy can not hope to succeed against PAF with 450 aircrafts..but then PAF will also be defending against 800 IAF aircrafts..realistically speaking, how many aircrafts can PAF divert for PN's assistance?

This reminds of a very famous quote from CnC PAF after Indian Navy's operation Trident.

"Anyway the Air Force in Karachi did not react to the Navy's request; therefore, the C-in-C Navy rang up the C-in-C PAF in Rawalpindi at 0400 hours and woke him up. After all sorts of pleading, the answer he obtained was `Well old boy, this happens in war. I am sorry your ships have been sunk. We shall try to do something in the future'

 

[ziaulislam]

There was initial buzz in the media..that P-3c will be replaced..but it never happened.

This was 2011... Pakistan and US had some serious ideological differences on good terrorist and bad terrorist(especially pakistan support haqqani network).

These two P-3c which were destroyed were part of 7 second hand P-3C..which were upgraded and donated by Americans to Pakistan in 2005.

In total Pakistan has 7 P-3c remaining in service.
3 delivered in 1980s(one crashed).
7 delivered after 2005( 2 destroyed)

actually they were brought thought the airframes were given free via EDA

War Khan,

Massive increase in Navy Budget. ???????

From $700 million to What ?????? LOL LOL

BE RELISTIC.

No good ranting THINK WITH YOU BRAIN not your heart.

Countries loose wars like this.

HOT HEADS but no brains or muscle ..

You are so far behind in navy capability its a joke to even compare.

if we cant "fuel" our ships on 700 million, i am pretty sure you cant on your budget(if its just 11 times more!), due to huge man power, large coastal area and two expensive Air craft carriers. not talking about the two expensive to maintian mig29s sq
unlike you we only have to defend our waters we dont need an AAC or a fighter with very long endurance

 

[ares]

actually they were brought thought the airframes were given free via EDA


if we cant "fuel" our ships on 700 million, i am pretty sure you cant on your budget(if its just 11 times more!), due to huge man power, large coastal area and two expensive Air craft carriers. not talking about the two expensive to maintian mig29s sq
unlike you we only have to defend our waters we dont need an AAC or a fighter with very long endurance

Aircraft were given free of cost under EDA, the upgrades on the aircraft were paid by Americans under FMF (Foreign Military Financing).

 

[maxpayne]

First things first, we are talking about war scenario here..Act of blockade in itself is declaration of war.

So yes If IN and PN are fighting, then so are IAF and PAF and IA and PA...i.e India-Pakistan are at war..as it has already happened 4 times in our history.

Yes 45 Mig 29Ks and some 12 odd sea harriers of Indian Navy can not hope to succeed against PAF with 450 aircrafts..but then PAF will also be defending against 800 IAF aircrafts..realistically speaking, how many aircrafts can PAF divert for PN's assistance?

This reminds of a very famous quote from CnC PAF after Indian Navy's operation Trident.

"Anyway the Air Force in Karachi did not react to the Navy's request; therefore, the C-in-C Navy rang up the C-in-C PAF in Rawalpindi at 0400 hours and woke him up. After all sorts of pleading, the answer he obtained was `Well old boy, this happens in war. I am sorry your ships have been sunk. We shall try to do something in the future'

What an idiotic post by u. There was full fledged war going on and PAF chief was sleeping at Rawalpindi? ?? Are u sure abt this fake quotation??

 

[ares]

What an idiotic post by u. There was full fledged war going on and PAF chief was sleeping at Rawalpindi? ?? Are u sure abt this fake quotation??

Why? Do people stop sleeping, when there is a war?
Or would you expect PAF chief to be hiding in a bunker somewhere in the mountains?


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[Neptune]

First things first, we are talking about war scenario here..Act of blockade in itself is declaration of war.

So yes If IN and PN are fighting, then so are IAF and PAF and IA and PA...i.e India-Pakistan are at war..as it has already happened 4 times in our history.

Yes 45 Mig 29Ks and some 12 odd sea harriers of Indian Navy can not hope to succeed against PAF with 450 aircrafts..but then PAF will also be defending against 800 IAF aircrafts..realistically speaking, how many aircrafts can PAF divert for PN's assistance?

This reminds of a very famous quote from CnC PAF after Indian Navy's operation Trident.

"Anyway the Air Force in Karachi did not react to the Navy's request; therefore, the C-in-C Navy rang up the C-in-C PAF in Rawalpindi at 0400 hours and woke him up. After all sorts of pleading, the answer he obtained was `Well old boy, this happens in war. I am sorry your ships have been sunk. We shall try to do something in the future'

Turkey has been blocking Armenia economically and diplomatically for decades... No war.

Turkish Navy ongoing Operation Mediterranean Shield (Naval Blockade of entire Cypriot EEZ, targeting any research vessel and Greek ships) since a couple years ago... No war.

They can divert enough aircraft since India isn't fool, that could send a huge force to breach its own airspace security.

Like 320 of these are Mig 21s and 27s. Secondly.

Trident was 35 years ago, and mate what was your point on that anyways

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

First things first, we are talking about war scenario here..Act of blockade in itself is declaration of war.

So yes If IN and PN are fighting, then so are IAF and PAF and IA and PA...i.e India-Pakistan are at war..as it has already happened 4 times in our history.

Yes 45 Mig 29Ks and some 12 odd sea harriers of Indian Navy can not hope to succeed against PAF with 450 aircrafts..but then PAF will also be defending against 800 IAF aircrafts..realistically speaking, how many aircrafts can PAF divert for PN's assistance?

first of all I doubt you have 800 fighters in service..

Apart from that .. Realistically speaking .. Do you think in case of war india will deploy all its airport against PAK leaving itself unprotected from Chinese? They are sending troops to your "territory" in peace time .. Can you take a risk leaving your states bordering China unguarded ?

This reminds of a very famous quote from CnC PAF after Indian Navy's operation Trident.

"Anyway the Air Force in Karachi did not react to the Navy's request; therefore, the C-in-C Navy rang up the C-in-C PAF in Rawalpindi at 0400 hours and woke him up. After all sorts of pleading, the answer he obtained was `Well old boy, this happens in war. I am sorry your ships have been sunk. We shall try to do something in the future'

sounds like BS.. Today The Navy has 2 sqds of mirages from the PAF... Which form part of "it's" air wing... Although the jets and pilots belong to the PAF but they are commanded by the navy... And hopefully in bear future who knows the navy might go for jf blocks!

Turkey has been blocking Armenia economically and diplomatically for decades... No war.

Turkish Navy ongoing Operation Mediterranean Shield (Naval Blockade of entire Cypriot EEZ, targeting any research vessel and Greek ships) since a couple years ago... No war.

They can divert enough aircraft since India isn't fool, that could send a huge force to breach its own airspace security.

Like 320 of these are Mig 21s and 27s. Secondly.

Trident was 35 years ago, and mate what was your point on that anyways

A naval blockade of Pak isn't possible today...

There was initial buzz in the media..that P-3c will be replaced..but it never happened.

This was 2011... Pakistan and US had some serious ideological differences on good terrorist and bad terrorist(especially pakistan support haqqani network).

These two P-3c which were destroyed were part of 7 second hand P-3C..which were upgraded and donated by Americans to Pakistan in 2005.

In total Pakistan has 7 P-3c remaining in service.
3 delivered in 1980s(one crashed).
7 delivered after 2005( 2 destroyed)

And yet more arrived ..
2 in 2010

Few more in 2012:

P.S: Pak originally bought 8 Orions which were embargoed and returned in 2004... After that more were bought in 2006-8 (Portuguese I believe which wer upgraded).. The 2 destroyed were replaced aswell... As you can see from the video!

 

[S.Y.A]

1. WRONG C802 or the air launched version In PAF service YJ 82/83 has inertial navigation for midcourse guidance and active radar for terminal homing ..no data link.

2. Don't need to ..I don't blabber without Checking my facts . If you have a source claiming that CM 400 is supersonic throughout its flight(as you claim) then bring that source.

3. When a 200 tonne missile boat is considered a principal combatant..it laid waist to your navy and harbours. Then a 200 tonne submarines could have done the same..so yes it is a principal combtant if you only knew how to use them as such ...and were fearless in execution.

no, it did not, only 3 PN ships were sunk, rest were merchant ships(juat goes to show that there is no difference between nazis and IN, both dont care about civilian casualties), and PN was obsolete at that time, it was struck hard by the embargo, PN did not have any CIWS or any credible air defence on its ships against the anti ship missiles. now do you really think that if PN had proper functioning radars and equipment IN would have succeeded?

 

[ares]

first of all I doubt you have 800 fighters in service..

Apart from that .. Realistically speaking .. Do you think in case of war india will deploy all its airport against PAK leaving itself unprotected from Chinese? They are sending troops to your "territory" in peace time .. Can you take a risk leaving your states bordering China unguarded ?


sounds like BS.. Today The Navy has 2 sqds of mirages from the PAF... Which form part of "it's" air wing... Although the jets and pilots belong to the PAF but they are commanded by the navy... And hopefully in bear future who knows the navy might go for jf blocks!


A naval blockade of Pak isn't possible today...



And yet more arrived ..
2 in 2010

Few more in 2012:

P.S: Pak originally bought 8 Orions which were embargoed and returned in 2004... After that more were bought in 2006-8 (Portuguese I believe which wer upgraded).. The 2 destroyed were replaced aswell... As you can see from the video!

Three P-3C (#81, #82 and #83) ordered in 1988 and delivered between 1996 and 1997; one (#83) lost to crash in October 1999.

Seven second-hand P-3C rebuilt to P-3CUP ordered in 2005-2006. Two (#84 and #85) were delivered in early 2007, two (#86 and #87) in June 2010 , two (#88 and #89) in February 2012 and the last (#80) in September 2012.

IN 2011 two P-3CUP Orion (#84 and #87) destoryed in Mehran attack.

Remaining 7.

no, it did not, only 3 PN ships were sunk, rest were merchant ships(juat goes to show that there is no difference between nazis and IN, both dont care about civilian casualties), and PN was obsolete at that time, it was struck hard by the embargo, PN did not have any CIWS or any credible air defence on its ships against the anti ship missiles. now do you really think that if PN had proper functioning radars and equipment IN would have succeeded?

Pakistani losses in the west

Minesweeper PNS Muhafiz sunk

Destroyer PNS Khaibar sunk

Destroyer PNS Shah Jahan badly damaged, scrapped as result

Tanker PNS Dacca badly damaged

Karachi harbour fuel storage tanks destroyed

Transport, MV Venus Challenger, carrying ammunition for Pakistan army from American troops in Saigon sunk.

On Manora anchorage.

Freighter Gulf Star sunk

MV SS Harmatttan sunk

Karachi harbour badly damaged...half of all Pakistani fuel reserves destroyed.

$ 3 Billion in economic losses.

 

[S.Y.A]

Three P-3C (#81, #82 and #83) ordered in 1988 and delivered between 1996 and 1997; one (#83) lost to crash in October 1999.

Seven second-hand P-3C rebuilt to P-3CUP ordered in 2005-2006. Two (#84 and #85) were delivered in early 2007, two (#86 and #87) in June 2010 , two (#88 and #89) in February 2012 and the last (#80) in September 2012.

IN 2011 two P-3CUP Orion (#84 and #87) destoryed in Mehran attack.

Remaining 7.



Pakistani losses in the west

Minesweeper PNS Muhafiz sunk

Destroyer PNS Khaibar sunk

Destroyer PNS Shah Jahan badly damaged, scrapped as result

Tanker PNS Dacca badly damaged

Karachi harbour fuel storage tanks destroyed

Transport, MV Venus Challenger, carrying ammunition for Pakistan army from American troops in Saigon sunk.

On Manora anchorage.

Freighter Gulf Star sunk

MV SS Harmatttan sunk

Karachi harbour badly damaged...half of all Pakistani fuel reserves destroyed.

$ 3 Billion in economic losses.

just confirms what i said earlier.

 

[ares]

just confirms what i said earlier.

These are just your losses in west..you want list of losses in Eastern theater also?

 

[S.Y.A]

These are just your losses in west..you want list of losses in Eastern theater also?

we were discussing the western theater were we not? you are proving yet again that you are beyond stupid. and what about the eastern theater? gunboats vs jet fighters? seriously man stop taking whatever junk you are on.

 

[ares]

we were discussing the western theater were we not? you are proving yet again that you are beyond stupid. and what about the eastern theater? gunboats vs jet fighters? seriously man stop taking whatever junk you are on.

And I thought we were discussing Indian Navy vs Pakistani Navy and not just two operations of the war.

And Eastern theater was not just gunboats and jets, it had amphibious landing, covert ops ,Naval blockade of entire East Pakistan, signal intelligence ops that fooled Pakistan Navy into believing that Indian aircraft carrier was 1000 Miles North of where it was and consequently lead to sinking of Pakistani submarine.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Three P-3C (#81, #82 and #83) ordered in 1988 and delivered between 1996 and 1997; one (#83) lost to crash in October 1999.

Seven second-hand P-3C rebuilt to P-3CUP ordered in 2005-2006. Two (#84 and #85) were delivered in early 2007, two (#86 and #87) in June 2010 , two (#88 and #89) in February 2012 and the last (#80) in September 2012.

IN 2011 two P-3CUP Orion (#84 and #87) destoryed in Mehran attack.

Remaining 7.



Pakistani losses in the west

Minesweeper PNS Muhafiz sunk

Destroyer PNS Khaibar sunk

Destroyer PNS Shah Jahan badly damaged, scrapped as result

Tanker PNS Dacca badly damaged

Karachi harbour fuel storage tanks destroyed

Transport, MV Venus Challenger, carrying ammunition for Pakistan army from American troops in Saigon sunk.

On Manora anchorage.

Freighter Gulf Star sunk

MV SS Harmatttan sunk

Karachi harbour badly damaged...half of all Pakistani fuel reserves destroyed.

$ 3 Billion in economic losses.

Again BS... Why don't you google? I even posted s video of induction if P-3s from 2012.. Apart from that Google AMRAC!!

we were discussing the western theater were we not? you are proving yet again that you are beyond stupid. and what about the eastern theater? gunboats vs jet fighters? seriously man stop taking whatever junk you are on.

He's gotta troll

 

[ares]

Again BS... Why don't you google? I even posted s video of induction if P-3s from 2012.. Apart from that Google AMRAC!!




He's gotta troll

Can you not read??

In 2012 Pakistan received 2 P-3C UP first one feburary and the second one september.
But these were not additional P-3C or replacements ..but Part orginal 7 P-3C ordered in 2005-06.