Iranian Economy.....news and discussions

[SalarHaqq]

We are already below the red lines when it comes to birthrate even with 15-25% women involvement in economy and having median age of 32.5. main problems should be somewhere else like having a secure source of income and a home.(marriage requirement in Iran or losing it which is the main sources of separation of married couples )

Putting women to work will compound the issue and make it more difficult to reverse the declining fertility rate.

Short distance to work place of mothers and fast and reliable public or personal transport system will do wonders in that regard.

Working means being absent from home more than half of the daytime, and needing several more hours of rest.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Government must construct social housing to prevent something like this from plaguing Iran:

Image from Canada, a market-centric economy.

Situation in the USA is even worse:

Likewise, taxation of empty homes is an effective tool to keep real estate speculation in check.

The poll result indicates that despite the predominance of monetarist neo-classic economics in Iranian academia and media, public opinion is not entirely sold to this monolithic thinking.

The market's no panacea onto itself, it must constantly be regulated, its shortcomings made up for by government authorities, in line with the Leader's guidelines.

There's no "invisible hand" by virtue of which the economy would spontaneously self-regulate, as if by magic or sorcery.

Economic theories putting forth this sort of postulate are clear about the fact that their models are built upon a theoretical hypothesis referred to as pure and perfect competition.

Perfect competition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Problem is that in practice, the conditions defining pure and perfect competition aren't ever met in a human society. So in reality markets will fail at regulating everything in an optimal manner.

Economic studies aren't an exact science like mathematics, but a social science whose findings must take into account the complexity of human behaviour and psychology. As such, one cannot manage the economy based on a narrow reading of an economic theory.

When you have found a government housing project which they published all of their data from top to bottom like :

Price of land which they got and the time that it takes to get it
Price of their work force (daily or monthly wages)
Average quality of their work force (years of experience and so on )
Price of planing and advisory parts
Places which they acquired machines, tools and materials
Amount of materials that they used (both quality and quantity )
Amount of loans and government benefits
Other indirect government benefits for their working personnel and their families ( personal loans , tickets for pool or cinema, sport , subsidies for their workers and ... )
Average time to acquire necessary permits for each phase of their project
Time of start of project
Time of completion of project
The time that their final product reached to the real costumer ( not government itself or other branches of government so NO horse trading )
And ....


It should be their average project not the cherry picked ones (real data not fabricated ones)



Until that day when we have the said data to compare it with average work of people this discussion is useless.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Putting women to work will compound the issue and make it more difficult to reverse the fall of the fertility rate.



Working means being absent from home more than half of the daytime, and needing several more hours of rest.

I have more anecdotal stories for you salar

A guy was walking outside in nature then he saw a girl which she was guiding the sheep out there alone (or with her sister I think ) then that guy asked the girl for guidance( I think he was lost or something ) then the girl guided the guy to the place. the guy went ahead of the girl and by throwing little stones the girl guided him.

Later the guy married the girl of our story then he became one of the prophets of God.what was the name of that prophet ?

You don't know ?

Too bad you just failed to get a government job inside Iran .

You know the answer ?

Good

Let's see if you can pass other 19 questions

 

[SalarHaqq]

When you have found a government housing project which they published all of their data from top to bottom like :

Price of land which they got and the time that it takes to get it
Price of their work force (daily or monthly wages)
Average quality of their work force (years of experience and so on )
Price of planing and advisory parts
Places which they acquired machines, tools and materials
Amount of materials that they used (both quality and quantity )
Amount of loans and government benefits
Other indirect government benefits for their working personnel and their families ( personal loans , tickets for pool or cinema, sport , subsidies for their workers and ... )
Average time to acquire necessary permits for each phase of their project
Time of start of project
Time of completion of project
The time that their final product reached to the real costumer ( not government itself or other branches of government so NO horse trading )
And ....


It should be their average project not the cherry picked ones (real data not fabricated ones)



Until that day when we have the said data to compare it with average work of people this discussion is useless.

In the meantime we have good examples of the sort of issues that may arise in market-centered economies, such as rampant homelessness. As long as affordable public housing can help offset such ills, it'll be something to maintain independently of the above quoted considerations.

I have more anecdotal stories for you salar

A guy was walking outside in nature then he saw a girl which she was guiding the sheep out there alone (or with her sister I think ) then that guy asked the girl for guidance( I think he was lost or something ) then the girl guided the guy to the place. the guy went ahead of the girl and by throwing little stones the girl guided him.

Later the guy married the girl of our story then he became one of the prophets of God.what was the name of that prophet ?

You don't know ?

Too bad you just failed to get a government job inside Iran .

You know the answer ?

Good

Let's see if you can pass other 19 questions

I take it you are referring to prophet Musa (a.s.)?

Here's a document relating the story, including quotes from the Holy Qur'an: https://www.alim.org/history/prophet-stories/17/1/

Some aspects to note:

- Moses was surprised that women were shepherding, as only men were supposed to do it.

- The father asked her how she could be sure of his trustworthiness in such a short time. She replied: "When I bade him to follow me to our home, he insisted that I walk behind him so he would not observe my form (to avoid sexual attraction)."

- He said: "I intend to wed one of these two daughters of mine to you, on condition that you serve me for eight years ( ... ).

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

In the meantime we have good examples of the sort of issues which may arise in market-centered economies, such as rampant homelessness. As long as affordable public housing can help offset such ills, it'll be something to maintain independently of the above quoted considerations.



I take it you are referring to prophet Musa (a.s.)?

Here's a document relating the story, including quotes from the Holy Qur'an: https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/327874/number-of-wives-of-moosa-may-allaah-exalt-his-mention

Some aspects to note:

- Moses was surprised that women were shepherding, as only men were supposed to do it.

- The father asked her how she could be sure of his trustworthiness in such a short time. She replied: "When I bade him to follow me to our home, he insisted that I walk behind him so he would not observe my form (to avoid sexual attraction)."

- He said: "I intend to wed one of these two daughters of mine to you, on condition that you serve me for eight years ( ... ).

Social conditions of work in the contemporary era aren't the same, are they.

Social conditions were not that different as you may see even women working alone out there but the man was extraordinary

anyway you may know one answer but I will reject your application for the government job since I don't like the way you look , talk or I'm in a bad mood today or ....

Do I know these things better than you or other applicants ? Hell no by the time they approved me to system I didn't even knew half of these things but who the hell cares I'm asking the questions now

^^ it's the government system people have to deal with nowadays

 

[SalarHaqq]

Social conditions were not that different as you may see even women working alone out there but the man was extraordinary

Moses was surprised that women were shepherding, as only men were supposed to do it.

Source: https://www.alim.org/history/prophet-stories/17/1/

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Moses was surprised that women were shepherding, as only men were supposed to do it.

Source: https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/327874/number-of-wives-of-moosa-may-allaah-exalt-his-mention

The small difference is that there is a 4,000 years (I think ) of women influence in societies between that time and now.

Nowadays usually working women work in cities and other busy parts of society and it's much safer environment compared to then.and if there is a problem for more active role of women in our society it goes back to laziness of our government (or God's know what other motives these guys have ) since it's their job to make society comforable for more activities of women.

 

[HGV]

Iran non-oil export hits new record​

Non-oil exports hit $53.16 billion last year, which is a new record in Iran’s history, Ruhollah Latifi, the spokesman for the Trade Promotion Commission of Iran’s House of Industry, Mine and Trade, said.

According to Latifi, the previous highest record in non-oil exports from Iran had been reached nine years ago when the country shipped some $50.5 billion worth of goods.

This news is not as good as it seems. It means in 9 years Iran's non-oil exports increased by 5%.

 

[SalarHaqq]

The small difference is that there is a 4,000 years (I think ) of women influence in societies between that time and now.

Oh believe me, the changes brought about by what is known as feminism were never reflective of a spontaneous, widely shared desire on the part of the broad female public.

Practically every leading feminist originated from a wealthy bourgeois household; one will have a hard time finding many working class females amongst early feminist figureheads. Indeed the working class is inherently conservative in cultural matters. As for females, by essence they blossom as family women and caring mothers rather than as interchangeable, disposable economic agents forced to rent out their physical and cognitive abilities for survival.

Also feminism is a modern day subversion introduced by capitalist oligarchs and freemasonry, with heavy support from globalist and zionist elites. Not some continuous ancient struggle stretching back thousands of years. It was initiated because it served the respective agendas of each one of the mentioned groups. Namely, the capitalist order at a specific historic juncture required females to be put to work in order to continue functioning. Having exploited the readily available male workforce to the hilt, further accumulation of capital, in the absence of which the system would collapse, called for mobilizing females next.

Likewise, the profound destabilization of the family structure which would inevitably ensue, was in line with the objectives of masonry and the anthropological transformations it is pursuing. These same forces in the western world would later give rise to phenomena such as mass abortion, rampant births out of wedlock etc. And they intend to impose this model on the entire planet. But as long as people conscious of the stakes exist, their propaganda, their social engineering will be denounced and resisted.

In traditional societies females usually did not go to work outside or far beyond the vicinity of their dwellings. This is the historic reality.

Nowadays usually working women work in cities and other busy parts of society and it's much safer environment compared to then.and if there is a problem for more active role of women in our society it goes back to laziness of our government (or God's know what other motives these guys have ) since it's their job to make society comforable for more activities of women.

Generalized integration of females into the workforce will necessarily have an unfavorable impact on the preservation of the traditional family structure, and there's nothing much a government no matter its competence could possibly do about it. It's simply in the nature of things.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Moses was surprised that women were shepherding, as only men were supposed to do it.

Source: https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/327874/number-of-wives-of-moosa-may-allaah-exalt-his-mention

maybe in Egypt , but the girl was not from Egypt.

- He said: "I intend to wed one of these two daughters of mine to you, on condition that you serve me for eight years ( ... ).

and he cheated Moses on that, if I'm not wrong

The historic reality is that in the extreme majority of traditional societies, females didn't work outside their dwellings.

Capitalists have an interest to make females work just as men. But it's not in favorable to the protection of the traditional nuclear family structure.

well if i'm not wrong the tablets found in mesoptomia shows women had their own business

 

[Ich]

This news is not as good as it seems. It means in 9 years Iran's non-oil exports increased by 5%.

As far as i followed up after the 50 billion it went down to 43-45 billion over years. So the 53 billion is indeed a sign of overcome some problems. And with the good mood all around in this region and the SCO/BRICS me think it will stay over 50 billion, maybe up to 60 billion the next years.

 

[SalarHaqq]

maybe in Egypt , but the girl was not from Egypt.

Her reported answer to prophet Musa (a.s.) suggests that customs in Midian used to be similar in this regard.

The younger sister said: "Our father is an old man; his health is too poor for him to go outdoors for pasturing sheep."

Story of Prophet Musa (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Musa (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

In other terms it was something which resulted from particular circumstances affecting a specific family, rather than a basic norm.

and he cheated Moses on that, if I'm not wrong

Moses married the Midianite's daughter and looked after the old man's animals for ten long years.

https://www.alim.org/history/prophet-stories/17/1/

well if i'm not wrong the tablets found in mesoptomia shows women had their own business

Upper caste Mesopotamian females. Perhaps that's one of the reasons they were observing hejab, they might have tended to dwell in crowded places more often and/or for longer durations. The majority of professions exercised by females in Mesopotamia could be performed from within homes.

Other than that, with the exception of wealthy nobility and priestesses, females were subordinate to their fathers, husbands and later to their sons as well. They could not pursue their own path and had to be obedient to their close male relatives. Furthermore a Mesopotamian female was expected to marry, bear children and raise these while tending the house.

Marriage was arranged by the female's father and was akin to a business contract in which the desires of the wed couple played no role. The wife was considered the property of her husband and could be divorced by the latter with much greater ease than she herself could sue for divorce.

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

Female labor force participation by country, around the world | TheGlobalEconomy.com

The average for 2023 based on 178 countries was 51.07 percent. The highest value was in the Solomon Islands: 82.73 percent and the lowest value was in Afghanistan: 4.83 percent. The indicator is available from 1991 to 2023. Below is a chart for all countries where data are available.

www.theglobaleconomy.com

Country - female labor force participation (World Bank) - fertility rate (births/woman) (United Nations)

Yemen - 5 - 3.7
Iraq 11 - 3.5
Iran 14 - 2.1
Afghanistan 14 - 4.6
Egypt 15 - 3.2
Pakistan 20 - 3.3
India 19 - 2.1
Oman 28 - 2.7
Saudi Arabia 30 - 2.2
Turkiye 31 - 2
Bangladesh 34 - 1.9
Italy 39 - 1.3
Bahrain 42 - 1.9
Armenia 42 - 1.7
Mexico 43 - 1.8
Philippines 43 - 2.4
Uzbekistan 44 - 2.9
U.A.E 46 - 1.3
South Africa 46 - 2.3
Serbia 46 - 1.4
Kuwait 47 - 2
Brazil 49 - 1.7
Argentina 50 - 1.9
Malaysia 51 - 1.8
France 51 - 1.8
Spain 52 - 1.4
Japan 53 - 1.4
South Korea 53 - 0.8
Indonesia 53 - 2.2
Russia 54 - 1.5
US 55 - 1.8
Germany 56 - 1.6
Qatar 57 - 1.8
UK 58 - 1.7
Norway 60 - 1.7
Azerbaijan 60 - 2
Canada 60 - 1.5
Australia 61 - 1.8
DR Congo 61 - 6.2
China 61 - 1.7
Netherlands 62 - 1.7
Kazakhstan 63 - 3.3
Peru 66 - 2.2
Vietnam 69 - 2
Cameroon 70 - 4.3
Ethiopia 72 - 3.3
Kenya 71 - 3.9



List contain most of Iran's neighbors and Muslim countries with some countries from every corner of this world (some of the influential ones )

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

It seems countries like Indonesia, US, Qatar, Norway, Azerbaijan, Australia, China, Netherlands, Kazakhstan, Peru, Vietnam, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Kenya are doing better than other countries.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Failure to regulate the market appropriately and privileging capitalists at every turn will lead to aberrations such as the following:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1648158460293312512

The future of a society where capitalist lobbies manage to monopolize public discourse and efficiently pressure government officials (lawmakers etc) is illustrated right before our eyes by the most extreme examples of market-centric economy.

The amount of sophistry required to spin these conditions as being compliant to any principle of "justice" worthy of that name, exceeds the limits of basic decency. Following this line of thought to its logical and sinister conclusion, everything including downright enslavement of commoners, forced euthanasia of those not deemed "useful" or productive enough to the capitalist machinery, commodification of the air we breathe, of life itself and similar monstrosities will suddenly become "justifiable".

No holds barred, unregulated capitalism equals denial of ethics and declared war on religion, as exemplified by explicitly banned practices like usury.