Israel's Achilles heel... How a sea blockade of Israel can finish off this outpost

[Oldman1]

To remind every one what happened to UAE ship off Yemen in the Red sea when attacked by Houthies...and this happened when the Yemen coast was patrolled by US,UK,Saudi And Egyptian navies...Sea lanes are very hard to patrol,,

pictures showing damage to the HSV Swift after it was destroyed in an attack on Saturday.

The HSV Swift was on a military resupply mission in the Red Sea when it was targeted by Yemen’s Houthi group in an attack near the Bab al-Mandab strait off Yemen

I can see why it would be hard for Iran to try to blockade Israel if it looks like that.

 

[Stryker1982]

I can see why it would be hard for Iran to try to blockade Israel if it looks like that.

To be fair, it doesn't appear that this ship had any defenses. Maybe chaff, and a sleeker, less detectable design.

To actually do a quasi blockade, you'd have to lay waste to the two main ports where more than 80% of it's imports come through (Not an easy task, requires alot of missiles munitions, with a mixture of very heavy warheads to crater the roads and cluster warheads + deal with ABM defense + compensate for X% failure rate).

I did a rough count, probably 250 missiles per port would be sufficient if you really wanted to annihilate the port (with absolute high precision being a serious measure of success) (Of the 250, many clusters would also be a requirement to damage cranes and nearby fuel depots. Not easy or cheap job, but it would definitely knock it out for a decent amount of time till partial repairs are done, which would still leave the port operating at very low level capacity... in such a way you have a quasi-blockade at a large cost of inventory.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Yeah, Egypt tried doing that with the Straits of Tiran, ask them how it was for them

To remind every one what happened to UAE ship off Yemen in the Red sea when attacked by Houthies...and this happened when the Yemen coast was patrolled by US,UK,Saudi And Egyptian navies...Sea lanes are very hard to patrol,,

pictures showing damage to the HSV Swift after it was destroyed in an attack on Saturday.

The HSV Swift was on a military resupply mission in the Red Sea when it was targeted by Yemen’s Houthi group in an attack near the Bab al-Mandab strait off Yemen

I'd be more afraid of Iranian ships hitting themselves

Iran navy 'friendly fire' incident kills 19 sailors in Gulf of Oman

Nineteen sailors died when their ship was reportedly hit during a test of a new missile.

www.bbc.com

 

[aryobarzan]

To all you geniuses of PDF.. you always think war war war.. use your imagination a bit!

first commercial ship that gets hit (mysteriously!..think drone, sea mines,underwater swimmers etc) while heading to Israeli ports will cause an automatic refusal of many commercial operators to head towards Israel ports and sky high insurance premiums.

second ship that gets hit..will produce all foreign crew and ship operators avoiding Israel ports..that leaves only patriotic Jews (if there are any!) to dare to go to the sea and as the photo of SWIFT demonstrates no matter how strong some claim Israel navy is (doubt that! another Jew myth!) and even if US and UK come to help a good possibility a third ship will be hit..not easy to patrol sea lanes

So now we have a "no war" blockade of Israel.... think peaceful defeat of the outpost..stop warmongerings

 

[Beny Karachun]

To all you geniuses of PDF.. you always think war war war.. use your imagination a bit!

first commercial ship that gets hit (mysteriously!..think drone, sea mines,underwater swimmers etc) while heading to Israeli ports will cause an automatic refusal of many commercial operators to head towards Israel ports and sky high insurance premiums.

second ship that gets hit..will produce all foreign crew and ship operators avoiding Israel ports..that leaves only patriotic Jews (if there are any!) to dare to go to the sea and as the photo of SWIFT demonstrates no matter how strong some claim Israel navy is (doubt that! another Jew myth!) and even if US and UK come to help a good possibility a third ship will be hit..not easy to patrol sea lanes

So now we have a "no war" blockade of Israel.... think peaceful defeat of the outpost..stop warmongerings

As soon as a war starts this will starts the countdown of your regime's existence.
Your regime will fall, leaders hanged and regime supporters enslaved.

Again, Egypt tried doing that, creating a blockade on Israel, that didn't work out. US sank half of your navy in a single day, right on your coasts, you want to blocakde Israel? firing at ships going to Israel is just going to make the coalition that will **** your nation up bigger, and Israel already showed that every time you fire at an Israeli ship, 2 Iranian ships get hit.

 

[aryobarzan]

As soon as a war starts this will starts the countdown of your regime's existence.
Your regime will fall, leaders hanged and regime supporters enslaved.

Again, Egypt tried doing that, creating a blockade on Israel, that didn't work out. US sank half of your navy in a single day, right on your coasts, you want to blocakde Israel? firing at ships going to Israel is just going to make the coalition that will **** your nation up bigger, and Israel already showed that every time you fire at an Israeli ship, 2 Iranian ships get hit.

WOW..mighty Israeli warrior !..Benny jan...it is bagel time my dear...wake up and smell the coffee ..

 

[Englishman]

The God of Moses will deal with the land of Satanic estate agent worshipers.

They will have a nasty demise, praise the Lord.

 

[LegionnairE]

imagine sea mines floating off of Israel coastline..mysterious midget subs firing torpedo on commercial shipping..drones flying from small boats attacking Israeli bound shipping etc...you get the picture....

Sea mines are a pain in the ***, and Israel isn't very well equipped to deal with them.

If they had to ask for help from Turkey, that would be very embarrassing for them but that's about it.

They have their own agriculture and they can grow their own food. They aren't that dependent on sea trade.

Why make yourself look like an aggressor?

 

[Muhammed45]

Israel is already surrounded by Iranian missiles/allies in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza and if here was any way, you could count on warriors of west bank too.

The idea of this thread is achievable. But the Q is, who can do that and how?
The only forces capable of doing that are Syrians and Hezbollah. But how?
We know that Hezbollah is armed with accurate BMs and mid range CMs. For sure Iran has armed them with sea mines too.

Evidence of Hezbollah's cruise missiles with a range of 1,000 KM. They can use these missiles against gas fields of Israel and its navy, also cargo ships in case of a full scale war.

Does Hezbollah have a new Iranian long range cruise missile? – analysis – Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance

missiledefenseadvocacy.org

Evidence of Hezbollah's accurate Ballistic Missiles. Hezbollah and Syria will use them to cripple Israel.

Iran: We supplied ballistic guided rockets to Hezbollah - Defense Update:

Iranian and Lebanese sources have recently confirmed that the Iranian backed Lebanese group Hezbollah has received the Iranian Fateh-110 guided ballistic missiles, and inducted the weapon into its missile arsenal. With a range of 250-350 km the new missile can hit targets provides the group with...

defense-update.com

These assets makes Hezbollah capable of attacking Israeli infrastructures, air bases, nuclear facilities and also possible missile silos. Iran will provide them with exact location of these Israeli targets using satellite and drone gathered information. Not to mention that Hezbollah's drones have already penetrated Israeli airspace years ago and they can do it any time.

The easiest way to blockade Israel is using sea mines. As @aryobarzan mentioned, it will destroy Israel's food supply lines.

 

[Blue In Green]

Israel is already surrounded by Iranian missiles/allies in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza and if here was any way, you could count on warriors of west bank too.

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The idea of this thread is achievable. But the Q is, who can do that and how?
The only forces capable of doing that are Syrians and Hezbollah. But how?
We know that Hezbollah is armed with accurate BMs and mid range CMs. For sure Iran has armed them with sea mines too.

Evidence of Hezbollah's cruise missiles with a range of 1,000 KM. They can use these missiles against gas fields of Israel and its navy, also cargo ships in case of a full scale war.

Does Hezbollah have a new Iranian long range cruise missile? – analysis – Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance

missiledefenseadvocacy.org

Evidence of Hezbollah's accurate Ballistic Missiles. Hezbollah and Syria will use them to cripple Israel.

Iran: We supplied ballistic guided rockets to Hezbollah - Defense Update:

Iranian and Lebanese sources have recently confirmed that the Iranian backed Lebanese group Hezbollah has received the Iranian Fateh-110 guided ballistic missiles, and inducted the weapon into its missile arsenal. With a range of 250-350 km the new missile can hit targets provides the group with...

defense-update.com

These assets makes Hezbollah capable of attacking Israeli infrastructures, air bases, nuclear facilities and also possible missile silos. Iran will provide them with exact location of these Israeli targets using satellite and drone gathered information. Not to mention that Hezbollah's drones have already penetrated Israeli airspace years ago and they can do it any time.

The easiest way to blockade Israel is using sea mines. As @aryobarzan mentioned, it will destroy Israel's food supply lines.

At what point do IRGC AEROSPACE MISSILE forces play an active role in targeting Israeli infrastructure as well? Leaving kinetic strikes to only local allies/proxies around Israel without utilizing top of the line Iranian offensive weaponry makes little sense to me. What I'm specially mentioning is Dezful, EMAD, S-136, PAVEH, FATEH (longer range variants) -- You also have to take into account that Iran has yet to establish a robust space based satellite reconnaissance capability [IMINT]: those smaller cube-sats don't count, and several successful sats isn't enough for up-to-date imagery useful for fire missions since this act will almost certainly draw into a wider conflict. You still need a constellation of SPY-SATS for good intel. Any targeting data being fed to Hezbollah might not be all that accurate. Reminder, the reason why the West and Israel are so good at hitting Iranian assets is because their INT-assets (land/space/air) are always on intelligence gathering missions, using the best hardware possible. Iran simply doesn't have this capability outside of drones and the one successful satellite that was launched recently.

If Iran wants to eventually initiate some sort of attack against Israel, it stills needs to build up more high-tier ISR assets in the eventuality of a larger conflict breaking out. I doubt a simple naval blockade (no matter how effective) will stop the IDF from going balls-to-the-wall when Hezbollah and other forces start launching rockets/missiles and mining operations...

Can't stress enough how important it would be for Iran to assume the leading role.

 

[R2D2]

 

[Stryker1982]

At what point do IRGC AEROSPACE MISSILE forces play an active role in targeting Israeli infrastructure as well? Leaving kinetic strikes to only local allies/proxies around Israel without utilizing top of the line Iranian offensive weaponry makes little sense to me. What I'm specially mentioning is Dezful, EMAD, S-136, PAVEH, FATEH (longer range variants) -- You also have to take into account that Iran has yet to establish a robust space based satellite reconnaissance capability [IMINT]: those smaller cube-sats don't count, and several successful sats isn't enough for up-to-date imagery useful for fire missions since this act will almost certainly draw into a wider conflict. You still need a constellation of SPY-SATS for good intel. Any targeting data being fed to Hezbollah might not be all that accurate. Reminder, the reason why the West and Israel are so good at hitting Iranian assets is because their INT-assets (land/space/air) are always on intelligence gathering missions, using the best hardware possible. Iran simply doesn't have this capability outside of drones and the one successful satellite that was launched recently.

If Iran wants to eventually initiate some sort of attack against Israel, it stills needs to build up more high-tier ISR assets in the eventuality of a larger conflict breaking out. I doubt a simple naval blockade (no matter how effective) will stop the IDF from going balls-to-the-wall when Hezbollah and other forces start launching rockets/missiles and mining operations...

Can't stress enough how important it would be for Iran to assume the leading role.

Personally I don't think IRGC is ready yet. Their are still many issues, even head of the Aerospace corps himself mentioned future SAT launches will solve many issues. Their is a enormous gap in intelligence gathering tools the lack thereof, really limits the efficiency of operations even if your weapons are cutting edge.

 

[R2D2]

I think to also blockade the port on the way coming from Arabian sea near Saudi Arabia.

 

[Blue In Green]

Personally I don't think IRGC is ready yet. Their are still many issues, even head of the Aerospace corps himself mentioned future SAT launches will solve many issues. Their is a enormous gap in intelligence gathering tools the lack thereof, really limits the efficiency of operations even if your weapons are cutting edge.

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This has always been the missing piece of the puzzle.

IDF will launch very accurate attacks against specific targets with impressive precision because they have unprecedented situational awareness and ISR capabilities that allow for such operations to happen. Near continuous intelligence is being fed to decision makers. The closer to Israel the target is, the easier it is for them to attack it.

Iran flat out doesn’t possess such a capability (and if it “does” it’s not of the same caliber). Not to mention, Israel is still quite a distance away. We can say with confidence that the targets Iran plans on obliterating are static, fair, but what we can’t say is that Iran knows exactly what it’s hitting with reasonable surety. Not to mention certain targets can only be struck within an operational window if the target is a person etc.,

I do agree, outside of the strike against the Mossad base in Erbil (which was close to Iran nonetheless). Fire missions on targets in Israel will be a difficult task and IRGC might not be ready for it. They have the weapons, they have the numbers they just lack the operational capabilities in intelligence gathering.