Iran turns its back on Russia and China with own battle tank

[Mentee]

Both @SOHEIL and @yavar have some attitude problem , rest are all nice

 

[925boy]

You have a thick skull. Get facts before going off on intangible rants. The S-300 deal was suspended because of a UN resolution that banned the sale of advanced weapons to Iran. Russia is member of the UN and selling the S-300 at the time would have hurt Russia financially much more then anything they could have gained from Iran in terms of monetary offset. I don't think I ran would sell 2 billion dollars worth of goods only to lose tens of billions a year due to sanctions as retaliation for selling those goods.

Russia sold the S-300 because of nuclear talks and easing of sanctions. This entire "backstabbing" allegations are very juvenile and driven by ignorance.

yavar is right.s300 was not really under sanctions...but russia used that as an excuse. china sold north korea TELs that r under sanctions so big powers play games

 

[Raghfarm007]

No point quoting Zionist English news papers, and then getting into an argument about what they say...

 

[The SC]

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Iran turns its back on Russia and China with own battle tank​

• Bel Trew, Cairo
• March 14 2017, 12:01am, The Times

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The Karrar tank is being hailed as a breakthrough in Iran’s military capabilities, with the country’s defence minister saying it could “compete with the most advanced tanks in the world”AP
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Iran has begun to mass produce a new battle tank as Tehran looks to reduce its reliance on Russian imports to bolster its military arsenal.

The Karrar (striker) tank is being hailed as a breakthrough in Iran’s military capabilities, but it closely resembles the export version of Russia’s T90MS and comes months after Tehran formally suspended talks with Moscow on buying that model.

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“[The Karrar] can compete with the most advanced tanks in the world in the three main areas of power, precision and mobility, as well as maintenance and durability in the battleground,” Hossein Dehghan, the defence minister, told the semi-official Fars news agency. “The tank has the capability to fire missiles and precisely guide them.”

Iran previously had turned to countries such as China and Russia for military equipment.

The economy has been boosted by the lifting of western economic sanctions in January last year, after a deal in which Tehran agreed to curb its nuclear programme, and it appears to have stepped up its domestic weapons programme, which also includes the production of missiles, fighter jets and submarines.

However, the United States imposed fresh sanctions on the country last month after a ballistic missile test. President Trump’s administration said that it had put Tehran “on notice” for the action and imposed restrictions on 25 individuals and entities.

In November, Iran suspended talks with Russia over an arms deal said to have been worth $10 billion for the tanks as well as artillery systems, Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jets and helicopters. “The defence industry designed and built the battle tank from scratch. If not better, it’s still as deadly as the Russian T-90,” Mr Dehghan said last year.

Despite buying Russia’s $800 million S-300 missile defence system in February last year, Tehran unveiled its own Bavar 373 system in August. The air defence system, designed to intercept cruise missiles, drones and combat aircraft, was tested this month.

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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...ssia-and-china-with-own-battle-tank-rdfnn9sfd​

Nothing is better than self-reliance, but if it is not 100% there are still some vulnerabilities, like the Engines for instance..So if Iran intends to make 1000 Karrar MBT it should buy 2000 or 3000 thousand engines , just to be on the safe side, the best would be making its own engine too..
I found this one , not sure if it is for tanks though..

 

[LowPost]

Just finished reading the entire thread and while I don't mean to generalise, all I can say is I'm extremely disappointed by the Russophobic and Sinophobic attitude of Iranians. Imagine the irony if they are brainwashed by Ziomedia's mud slingers that try to create a rift between the Russians, Iranians and Chinese. Personally respect Iran but after learning irrational and ignorant anti-Russian as well as anti-Chinese tendencies aren't uncommon among Iranians, my respect has dwindled. @Chinese-Dragon @wanglaokan @ptldM3

US (specially neocons) ultimate goal is to contain China and Russia. They've been partially successful with Russia since deploying Air defense systems in eastern Europe and now South Korea recently received THAAD system plus Japan will soon join as well ( plus Japan will also be doing patrols in South China sea along with Americans) also Australians have hinted at such joint operations with US navy. Make no mistake the deployment of such air defense systems and sea patrols are to contain China and they're being successful at it.

So while you can laugh about Iran's problems, The Yankees are coming for you right before your eyes ( flinging their ding dong at you by doing patrol in south china sea right in your backyard ) and they will beat you into submission slowly but surely. Also US hostility towards China will never stop and as a matter of fact will only grow stronger as time passes by because you're competing with them to take their place and they don't like it.

Iran is the last bastion of true stable non aligned state and if the Iranians make a deal with Americans somehow( hypothetically and make peace with people of Israel)and solve all their problems once for all, you guys ( China & Russia) will be the major loser of this.
I can see THAAD system being deployed in Northern Iran to further contain Russia's ability to response and as for China they can forget controlling the waterways in their own backyard let alone being able to extract all the resources below the ocean floor plus all major oil suppliers would be in US camp so no more diversification of your oil import and I bet the Russian will stick a high price for their delivery of oil to you. Time will tell who will have the last laugh

I neither have the time, nor the energy, nor the motivation to enter a lengthy discussion with you but to put it straight, you are overestimating the capabilities of the US and underestimating those of Russia and China. As I suggested above I'd like to know what media outlets you follow and read and where you got the 'information' from.

After years of British Empire's colonialism and American's imperialism in Iran and fighting 8 years of war on our own, The Iranian's political view has became quite paranoid. So if you knew about paranoid style in Iran's politics, you wouldn't be surprised. Iran's deterrence strategy is quite paranoid too and based on self-sufficiency and being able to defend ourselves on our own and without any help from other people.

I think Chinese are way better allies than Yankees. They don't think they are the rulers of the world, unlike Yankees they don't interfere with their allies domestic policies. They don't tell other ppl how to live and how to behave. They don't topple other nations democratically elected governments. For many years their current leader Xi Jinping avoided a cold war style conflict with Yankees and yet we see Yankees want to nuke China because of it's economic growth. And for historical reasons, most iranians actually have a pretty positive view of china.

Finally and Iranian(-flagged) member who talks some sense, after pages of anti-Russian/anti-Chinese drivel.



On-topic: Congrats to Iran for their new MBT.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Words and actions can mean two different things

 

[Raghfarm007]

Considering they licensed produce T-72s, I would say with 99.99% certainty it's Russian. Even Turkey can't manufacture a tank engine.

I really don't understand what you are comparing Iran and Turkey, and speaking as if to say that Turkish industrial abilities are greater than Iran's.

Iran actually produces several types of engines, including car engines which it owns the intellectual property on, which Turkey does not produce.
FYI, here are a few engines Iran produces, which Turkey does not....

Locomotive engines:

Heavy marine engines:

Light marine engines:

Car engines:

Jet engines:

Iran DESA Co Heavy diesel propulsion engines manufacturing:

 

[TruthHurtz]

iranians should chill out before i put them in a headlock real quik

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

I really don't understand what you are comparing Iran and Turkey, and speaking as if to say that Turkish industrial abilities are greater than Iran's.

My previous response was removed although that message did not violate a rule according to the moderator.

The Russian thinks every country is like his incapable one unable to design and build an LHD, or goes asking for aid from Oriental nations once Western countries sanctioned his. As you may know, just like Iran or China, Russia is simply technologically too backward to extract oil and gas resources from its own backyard in the freezing Arctic and needs all the Western technological help they can get.

So no point getting worked up about third worlders' amusing conversations. They are called third worlders for a good reason after all.

Just finished reading the entire thread and while I don't mean to generalise, all I can say is I'm extremely disappointed by the Russophobic and Sinophobic attitude of Iranians. Imagine the irony if they are brainwashed by Ziomedia's mud slingers that try to create a rift between the Russians, Iranians and Chinese. Personally respect Iran but after learning irrational and ignorant anti-Russian as well as anti-Chinese tendencies aren't uncommon among Iranians, my respect has dwindled. @Chinese-Dragon @wanglaokan @ptldM3


I neither have the time, nor the energy, nor the motivation to enter a lengthy discussion with you but to put it straight, you are overestimating the capabilities of the US and underestimating those of Russia and China. As I suggested above I'd like to know what media outlets you follow and read and where you got the 'information' from.

You should wonder why Iranians and Northern Koreans seem to disfavour Chinese policy. Maybe it has something to do with China's retarded foreign policy which makes no sense any which way we look at it?

Both you and Russians voted for UN approved sanctions on Iran and North Korea, where is the Russophobia or Sinophobia on their part if they choose to dislike you? It is their inalienable right grounded on confirmed facts and sound logic.

Both Iran and North Korea should switch sides, it would be fun seeing two third world dumps thinking they are world powers getting squished from two sides. Just imagine the fun. Western troops, early warning radar, listening posts, ABM systems to rein in these two despicable despotic regimes.

Maybe, all for fun, we can throw out both China and Russia out of the UN security council, like Taiwan was ousted many decades ago as well.

 

[TruthHurtz]

My previous response was removed although that message did not violate a rule according to the moderator.

The Russian thinks every country is like his incapable one unable to design and build an LHD, or goes asking for aid from Oriental nations once Western countries sanctioned his. As you may know, just like Iran or China, Russia is simply technologically too backward to extract oil and gas resources from its own backyard in the freezing Arctic and needs all the Western technological help they can get.

So no point getting worked up about third worlders' amusing conversations. They are called third worlders for a good reason after all.

france is third world tbh

at least it will be very soon

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

This doesn't make sense though.

The USA has threatened Russia and China with war, over Crimea and the South China Sea respectively. Neither caved, so why would they cave for something vastly less important?

Except they didn't.

IF the Western world would wage war against Russia and/or China, the first thing they'd do is turn you into bigger versions of North Korea, and prepare staging grounds for invasion. Setup THAAD at your periphery, isolate you from world trade, like blockading all maritime traffic going into and out of China, throwing you both out of the UN like Taiwan was voted out of it many decades ago, cutting you off from the Internet and the SWIFT network. Two isolated, poor despotic regimes stroking each others' ego. What a sight it would be!

This time around it would be Russia's turn to cheat and ally itself with the European powers to do an eight powers alliance against China because Xi Jinping and co may be getting a little too big headed for his post. He should know the limits of his third world country's abilities and powers.

I'm quite sure neither the Russians or the Chinese would love it when anything resembling the above plays out.

france is third world tbh

at least it will be very soon

If Zimbabwe is definition of first world, then that might make sense why you would write that.

 

[yavar]

The DF3 missile Saudi bought is aimed at Israel, and it's warhead is conventional! You know now Iran maybe nuke capable, you don't have to worry lot.

you chinese members are full of it


Saudi political analyst Nayef Al-Vaqa: our DF-3 missile which will take out half of Tehran

Saudi political military analyst Nayef Al-Vaqa memeber of King Khalid Military College Council: our DF-3 missile which is also capable of carrying 3 megaton destruction power on impact will take out half of Tehran

 

[TruthHurtz]

Except they didn't.

IF the Western world would wage war against Russia and/or China, the first thing they'd do is turn you into bigger versions of North Korea, and prepare staging grounds for invasion. Setup THAAD at your periphery, isolate you from world trade, like blockading all maritime traffic going into and out of China, throwing you both out of the UN like Taiwan was voted out of it many decades ago, cutting you off from the Internet and the SWIFT network. Two isolated, poor despotic regimes stroking each others' ego. What a sight it would be!

This time around it would be Russia's turn to cheat and ally itself with the European powers to do an eight powers alliance against China because Xi Jinping and co may be getting a little too big headed for his post. He should know the limits of his third world country's abilities and powers.

I'm quite sure neither the Russians or the Chinese would love it when anything resembling the above plays out.



If Zimbabwe is definition of first world, then that might make sense why you would write that.

lol france is being overrun by muslims and very soon you will be an islamic state, way to go out

china and russia will have to cauterise you in case

 

[yavar]

Close friends !?

You guys cancelled C802 deal & exported ballistic missiles to saudi Arabia !

How would you feel if we send anti ship ballistic missiles to Taiwan !?

doing good work on net

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

Well that is Iran's own decision.

Russia is currently helping Iran in Syria with their military power, and China is buying the majority of Iranian oil exports (regardless of sanctions).

If Iran doesn't want these partners, they can try to find others. But that would require Iran to make another deal with the USA, since the majority of major oil importers (EU, Japan, South Korea, etc.) are in the American camp.

Except this one is another one of your imaginations as well.

http://www.iran-bn.com/2017/03/03/surge-in-irans-oil-exports-to-europe-post-jcpoa/

Platts energy news service reported that Iran had sent a total of 63 major crude cargoes to France, Italy, Greece and Spain over the past year.

The largest number of shipments belonged to France at 21. Italy and Greece were the next top destinations of Iranian oil, each receiving 15 and 14 tankers from the country. Spain came closely in the fourth place by receiving 13 tankers.
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Europe’s share of Iranian oil exports was 767,000 barrels per day (bpd) in December 2016, up by 10 percent from November, and very close to pre-sanction export levels that averaged 800,000 bpd.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-oil-exports-idUSKCN11M0XL

Loadings headed for India reached a likely record of nearly 600,000 bpd last month, according to data stretching back at least 15 years, up 150,000 bpd from July, and topping 564,000 bpd loaded for China.

Japanese loadings were nearly 230,000 bpd, compared with about 92,000 bpd for South Korea.

Iranian oil was also loaded for Turkey, Greece, and Spain, and exports to Italy more than doubled from the previous month to 87,000 bpd, according to the schedules.

564k bpd < 600k bpd < 767k bpd.

Simple arithmetic. China's oil import from Iran was lower than Europe or India, alone. China's oil import is nowhere close to the majority of Iran's oil exports.