Iran turns its back on Russia and China with own battle tank

[SubWater]

Bro...

jaan baradar
He deserve strong respond.
He brings up old comment.
I mentioned at that time to their Ottmani TV shows and their pride for getting European girls as slave in their serials.

 

[Aramagedon]

No one gives a damn about them.

Bro... In their media Iranian people living in deserts !

So...

They think we just came out of our caves and started manufacturing tanks !

Let them be ...

jaan baradar
He deserve strong respond.
He brings up old comment.
I mentioned at that time to their Ottmani TV shows and their pride for getting European girls as slave in their serials.

Ottomans culture........

 

[Kastor]

And this is what's wrong with the Islamic countries in the M.E. The infighting has kept them all weak and dependent for centuries. I rest the majority of that blame on the House of Saud and their backward philosophy, their 9/11 plan and it's aftermath has cost 1.5 million Muslim lives so far and has left the M.E. in shambles.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Why do you do business with China? You can totally refuse.

Why is it not surprising to me that Chinese nationalists here do not have the sense to assuage a person from a country who has been very close?

It seems that Chinese interests are never in the mind of people like you.

You just want to boast.

Iran's complaints against China are fair.

But you also have your own reasons which should be clearly articulated.

 

[The SC]

The title of the thread is rather a bit misleading, just wait for the end of the UN resolution banning offensive arm sales to Iran and you'll start seeing tons of foreign military gear pouring into Iran, and not only from China and Russia, but also from Europe..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Iran's complaints against China are fair.

Sure they are fair complaints. But Iran has never sought anything more than a transactional relationship with China, after the Western sanctions were lifted they immediately said that they would try to lessen dependency on China.

The truth is that China is also very close to Saudi Arabia + GCC and even Israel. Whereas Iran is close to India, even setting up a competing port for Gwadar in Chabahar.

The interests don't align all that well, so neither side is really interested in a mutual defense treaty, or any kind of deeper relationship between the two sides.

The dynamics of global politics would have to shift quite significantly before such a thing can happen.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Sure they are fair complaints. But Iran has never sought anything more than a transactional relationship with China, after the Western sanctions were lifted they immediately said that they would try to lessen dependency on China.

The truth is that China is also very close to Saudi Arabia + GCC and even Israel. Whereas Iran is close to India, even setting up a competing port for Gwadar in Chabahar.

The interests don't align all that well, so neither side is really interested in a mutual defense treaty, or any kind of deeper relationship between the two sides.

The dynamics of global politics would have to shift quite significantly before such a thing can happen.

Actually, the fact remains that what you did for Iran wasn't very much.

And I don't blame you.

You don't have the power to project force in that part of the world, so any military or strategic relations are useless.

In fact, any thing done to get too close to Iran, would have created ire among the Americans, whose cooperation was extremely required during your growth stage upto atleast 2010.

The thing however is that you should assuage Iranians. Not berate them.

Sure they are fair complaints. But Iran has never sought anything more than a transactional relationship with China, after the Western sanctions were lifted they immediately said that they would try to lessen dependency on China.

The truth is that China is also very close to Saudi Arabia + GCC and even Israel. Whereas Iran is close to India, even setting up a competing port for Gwadar in Chabahar.

The interests don't align all that well, so neither side is really interested in a mutual defense treaty, or any kind of deeper relationship between the two sides.

The dynamics of global politics would have to shift quite significantly before such a thing can happen.

Also, one more thing:

Iran may have seeked something more than transactional, but really China didn't seek it. And China has pretty solid reasons to not seek it. (which we can discuss later)

You must understand that Iran is in a heavily encircled state, with Americans on all of its frontiers, except the north.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Iran may have seeked something more than transactional, but really China didn't seek it.

Well think about it. If China goes to war with India in the near future, do you think Iran will also help us by declaring war on India? How about Japan? How about the USA?

They don't want to get sucked into our wars, and vice versa. Plus, the GCC is still geostrategically important for us, considering how much oil they have. Most of China's allies in the Muslim world (e.g. Pakistan) are Sunni states, it won't help if China chooses another side in the sectarian divide.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Well think about it. If China goes to war with India in the near future, do you think Iran will also help us by declaring war on India? How about Japan? How about the USA?

They don't want to get sucked into our wars, and vice versa. Plus, the GCC is still geostrategically important for us, considering how much oil they have. Most of China's allies in the Muslim world (e.g. Pakistan) are Sunni states, it won't help if China chooses another side in the sectarian divide.

Again, as I said China had very good reasons to not seek an unconditional alliance with Iran. It was transactional.

And that is what Iranians are realizing. They perhaps had, for some time thought you as a quasi-ally. But China's actions in that region have always been to balance all the powers out - Iran, Saudis, Israel, Turkey.

Iranians have woken to that realization, and would themselves be more transactional with you. They would seek all kinds of alternative supports.

 

[yavar]

If China goes to war with India in the near future, do you think Iran will also help us by declaring war on India? How about Japan? How about the USA?.

very good questions