Iran turns its back on Russia and China with own battle tank

[NakedLunch]

After years of British Empire's colonialism and American's imperialism in Iran and fighting 8 years of war on our own, The Iranian's political view has became quite paranoid. So if you knew about paranoid style in Iran's politics, you wouldn't be surprised. Iran's deterrence strategy is quite paranoid too and based on self-sufficiency and being able to defend ourselves on our own and without any help from other people.

I think Chinese are way better allies than Yankees. They don't think they are the rulers of the world, unlike Yankees they don't interfere with their allies domestic policies. They don't tell other ppl how to live and how to behave. They don't topple other nations democratically elected governments. For many years their current leader Xi Jinping avoided a cold war style conflict with Yankees and yet we see Yankees want to nuke China because of it's economic growth. And for historical reasons, most iranians actually have a pretty positive view of china.

The Chinese make excellent allies and partners. As a Pakistani, I can vouch for that with 110% assurance.

 

[Jlaw]

Many of the Iranians on this forum seem very hostile to Russia and China.

And the Iranian government is also very suspicious towards Russia and China, I think they prefer to make more deals with the USA.

But they should remember what happens to American friends in the Middle East like Saddam. The Americans will not waste a second in invading their former friends.

Ultimately Iranians ultimate goal is Persian empire 2.0. They need to ask uncle Sam first.

 

[Sam.]

Persian will rise again!!

Congratulation to my Iranian brothers.

@SOHEIL @AmirPatriot , @yavar and others.....

 

[Jlaw]

If I was in power , I would order to stop selling oil to Chinese and ban Chinese products ...
thanks to IRI politics , even Chinese act like boss for us ...

ای داد ز دست فلک شعبده باز
شهزاده به ذلت و گدازاده به ناز
نرگس ز برهنگی سرافکنده به زیر
صد پیرهن حریر پوشیده پیاز!

I hope you become Iranian president soon.

 

[Sam.]

Ultimately Iranians ultimate goal is Persian empire 2.0. They need to ask uncle Sam first.

And you want Chinese Empire in all Asia. So what is the problem ?

Iranian will do what best for Iran and will not be your gullible weapon against west.

 

[Jlaw]

The problem in the middle east is too complicated.I don't know.
BTW，The complex problems in the middle east can only be solved by the United States.

No it's very simple . everycountry in middle East want hegemon. They want to form an empire. US say no. The reason China support these guys because of US hostility towards China. When that stop , good luck to Iran fighting US. It be easy like Iraq. Saddhams elite guards ran like chicken. Iran's revolutionary guards will do the same.

 

[SOHEIL]

No it's very simple . everycountry in middle East want hegemon. They want to form an empire. US say no. The reason China support these guys because of US hostility towards China. When that stop , good luck to Iran fighting US. It be easy like Iraq. Saddhams elite guards ran like chicken. Iran's revolutionary guards will do the same.

 

[OldTwilight]

No it's very simple . everycountry in middle East want hegemon. They want to form an empire. US say no. The reason China support these guys because of US hostility towards China. When that stop , good luck to Iran fighting US. It be easy like Iraq. Saddhams elite guards ran like chicken. Iran's revolutionary guards will do the same.

well , without nukes you don't far better against USA , just a though ...

 

[Jlaw]

well , without nukes you don't far better against USA , just a though ...

Lol. Korean war China fought US +16 allies . Border clashes with Russia in 60s-80s. Fought US in Vietnam war.
You folks couldn't even take an inch of Iraqi land after 8 years of war.

 

[Flag_Combo]

No it's very simple . everycountry in middle East want hegemon. They want to form an empire. US say no. The reason China support these guys because of US hostility towards China. When that stop , good luck to Iran fighting US. It be easy like Iraq. Saddhams elite guards ran like chicken. Iran's revolutionary guards will do the same.

US (specially neocons) ultimate goal is to contain China and Russia. They've been partially successful with Russia since deploying Air defense systems in eastern Europe and now South Korea recently received THAAD system plus Japan will soon join as well ( plus Japan will also be doing patrols in South China sea along with Americans) also Australians have hinted at such joint operations with US navy. Make no mistake the deployment of such air defense systems and sea patrols are to contain China and they're being successful at it.

So while you can laugh about Iran's problems, The Yankees are coming for you right before your eyes ( flinging their ding dong at you by doing patrol in south china sea right in your backyard ) and they will beat you into submission slowly but surely. Also US hostility towards China will never stop and as a matter of fact will only grow stronger as time passes by because you're competing with them to take their place and they don't like it.

Iran is the last bastion of true stable non aligned state and if the Iranians make a deal with Americans somehow( hypothetically and make peace with people of Israel)and solve all their problems once for all, you guys ( China & Russia) will be the major loser of this.
I can see THAAD system being deployed in Northern Iran to further contain Russia's ability to response and as for China they can forget controlling the waterways in their own backyard let alone being able to extract all the resources below the ocean floor plus all major oil suppliers would be in US camp so no more diversification of your oil import and I bet the Russian will stick a high price for their delivery of oil to you. Time will tell who will have the last laugh

 

[Dazzler]

Again... PDF's brilliant think tank minds releasing the BS !

If we want to talk with same logic Pakistan is almost made in China !

& china made in Russia !

It is you who has no iota of what an mbt is. A word of advice, tone down your condenscent tone or FaceTime music.

 

[SOHEIL]

It is you who has no iota of what an mbt is. A word of advice, tone down your condenscent tone or FaceTime music.

Negative rating ?

Karrar

T-90MS

...

 

[Fafnir]

No it's very simple . everycountry in middle East want hegemon. They want to form an empire. US say no. The reason China support these guys because of US hostility towards China. When that stop , good luck to Iran fighting US. It be easy like Iraq. Saddhams elite guards ran like chicken. Iran's revolutionary guards will do the same.

And for that oh so clever and insightful appraisal I do here by award you the honor of the Group Facepalm

Oh,by the way have you ever considered applying for a job in a right wing western policy think tank,I`m sure they could use someone with your brilliant insight into iranian military tactics and capabilities

 

[ptldM3]

Negative rating ?

Karrar

T-90MS

...

You do realize the Karrar is using a T-90 turret or a copy of a T-90 turret? Putting Iranian made IRA blocks on a T-90 turret does not make it a uniquely designed Iranian turret.


Karrar turret:

T-90 turret:

Clearly a T-72 chassis:

The Karrar is basically an upgraded T-72 or T-90 variant. I'm not sure why people here still deny it or get angry and call me names. I don't care if Iran upgrades T-72s or builds some new tank based off of it or designs something completely new but chassis, turret, gun and almost certainly engine are either license produced T-72/90 components or close clones. Some Iranian members here need to calm down, it's just a tank.


The T-90SM influence is undeniable and not a coincidence. I'm not saying that Iran didn't work hard to built the Karrar because there are some unique things on this tank but we have to also be honest.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I hope you become Iranian president soon.

Well. Went through whole thread...Disturbed by Iranians' attitude, inspired by Chinese, amused by Pakistanis and Russians and confused by Indians...

What should I do now?