Iran, father of Islamic, European civilizations

[scythian500]

Hehe, dude im not into this ''Muslims will conquer Europe'' like talks but wasnt one of the biggest goals of muslims the conquest of Constantinople? Who did it again? Let me think, hmm...

Turkey has been inhabited since the paleolithic age,[7] including various ancient Anatolian civilizations, Aeolian, Dorian andIonianGreeks, Thracians, Armenians and Persians.[8][9][10] After Alexander the Great's conquest, the area was Hellenized, a process which continued under the Roman Empire and its transition into the Byzantine Empire.[9][11] The Seljuk Turks began migrating into the area in the 11th century, starting the process of Turkification, which was greatly accelerated by the Seljuk victory over the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071.[12] The Seljuk Sultanate of Rûm ruled Anatolia until the Mongol invasion in 1243, upon which it disintegrated into several small Turkish beyliks.[13]


and Iran's:


Prehistory[edit]

Cave painting in Doushe cave,Lorestan, Iran, 8th millennium BC
Further information: Prehistory of Iran and Archaeological sites in Iran
The earliest archaeological artifacts in Iran, like those excavated at the Kashafrud and Ganj Par sites, attest to a human presence in Iran since the Lower Paleolithic era, c. 800,000–200,000 BC.[52] Iran's Neanderthal artifacts from the Middle Paleolithic period, c. 200,000–40,000 BC, have been found mainly in the Zagros region, at sites such as Warwasi and Yafteh Cave.[53][54][page needed] Around 10th to 8thmillennium BC, early agricultural communities such as Chogha Golan and Chogha Bonut began to flourish in Iran,[55][56][57][58] as well asSusa and Chogha Mish developing in and around the Zagros region.[59][page needed][60][61]

The emergence of Susa as a city, as determined by radiocarbon dating, dates back to early 4,395 BC.[62] There are dozens of prehistoric sites across the Iranian plateau, pointing to the existence of ancient cultures and urban settlements in the 4th millennium BC.[61][63][64]During the Bronze Age, Iran was home to several civilizations including Elam, Jiroft, and Zayande River. Elam, the most prominent of these civilizations, developed in the southwest of Iran, alongside those in Mesopotamia. The emergence of writing in Elam was paralleled toSumer, and the Elamite cuneiform was developed since the 3rd millennium BC.[65] The Elamite Kingdom continued its existence until the emergence of the Median andAchaemenid empires. Between 3400 BC until about 2000 BC, northwestern Iran was part of the Kura-Araxes culture that stretched into the neighbouring regions of the Caucasusand Anatolia. Since the earliest 2nd millennium BC, Assyrians settled in swaths of western Iran, and incorporated the region into their territories.

 

[xenon54 out]

iran ushered the first pan-middle eastern invasion of europe , an idea which the arabs and turks fapped on for a long time and wasted their lives with

Hehe, dude im not into this ''Muslims will conquer Europe'' like talks but wasnt one of the biggest goals of muslims the conquest of Constantinople? Who did it again? Let me think, hmm...

Never said Persians didnt do it, still Turks were not ''fapping'' about it as our friend is likes to call it.
Besides the Persians are barely in Europe on your maps.

 

[jammersat]

Hehe, dude im not into this ''Muslims will conquer Europe'' like talks but wasnt one of the biggest goals of muslims the conquest of Constantinople? Who did it again? Let me think, hmm...

The achaemenids crossed where is constantinopole / istanbul now , long before the ottoman turks where even hatched in their mothers' hymen , and long before the arab muslims too ; into europe ,

according to new sources the achamenids not only had an incursion into greece but also into eastern europe where present day ukraine is , the achamenids grabbed of europe about as much as the ottoman turks did eons later ; bronze age achamenids ruled over a larger extent of land than the gunpowder empire of the ottomans

the persians / scythian descent people might be a minority in iran but the world reknown iranian empires were all persian by ethnicity , the British , the americans and the germans know ancient iran with the persian achamenid , sassanid and the scythian parthians , not with the turk qajars or safavids ..

 

[xenon54 out]

The achaemenids crossed where is constantinopole / istanbul now , long before the ottoman turks where even hatched in their mothers' hymen , and long before the arab muslims too ; into europe ,

according to new sources the achamenids not only had an incursion into greece but also into eastern europe where present day ukraine is , the achamenids grabbed of europe about as much as the ottoman turks did eons later ; bronze age achamenids ruled over a larger extent of land than the gunpowder empire of the ottomans

the persians / scythian descent people might be a minority in iran but the world reknown iranian empires were all persian by ethnicity , the British , the americans and the germans know ancient iran with the persian achamenid , sassanid and the scythian parthians , not with the turk qajars or safavids ..

Well to be fair Turks werent even present in Anatolia at that time but once we arrives we did what we had to do and reached deeper into Europe than many Middle Eastern civilisations.

 

[scythian500]

Hehe, dude im not into this ''Muslims will conquer Europe'' like talks but wasnt one of the biggest goals of muslims the conquest of Constantinople? Who did it again? Let me think, hmm...

Never said Persians didnt do it, still Turks were not ''fapping'' about it as our friend is likes to call it.
Besides the Persians are barely in Europe on your maps.

maybe you and your friend meant Frapping!!
and I didn't say anything against your claim did I?!

The "barely in Europe" is your today's perception... The ancient world was much smaller in significance and extend to today's... Those days in Europe Greece was the backbone of European newly born civilization... so when Achaemedians had Greece it meant Iran had Europe...

 

[jammersat]

Never said Persians didnt do it, still Turks were not ''fapping'' about it as our friend is likes to call it.
Besides the Persians are barely in Europe on your maps.

your map is wrong , and clearly doesn't show the full extent , the greeks were completely expelled out of what is greece now and athens was burned (not in your map_) and the scythians (eastern iranians) went as far west as the river danube .. that's now what i claim , you can read in wiki

maybe i shouldn't have used the word fap , but the achaeminds showed the way ; before them the semitic civiliztions of the middle east , sumer , akkad , egypt , babylon , lydia (turkey) , were all fighting each other , it was the persians who united them and invaded europe for the first time , ottomans came some 2000 years afterwards

 

[jammersat]

Well to be fair Turks werent even present in Anatolia at that time but once we arrives we did what we had to do and reached deeper into Europe than many Middle Eastern civilisations.

The turks , mongloid people are a tiny minority in turkey today , that's what matters , there are more people with an arab , blakan , or ukranian descent in turkey than turks ..

 

[xenon54 out]

your map is wrong , and clearly doesn't show the full extent , the greeks were completely expelled out of what is greece now and athens was burned (not in your map_) and the scythians (eastern iranians) went as far west as the river danube .. that's now what i claim , you can read in wiki

maybe i shouldn't have used the word fap , but the achaeminds showed the way ; before them the semitic civiliztions of the middle east , sumer , akkad , egypt , babylon , lydia (turkey) , were all fighting each other , it was the persians who united them and invaded europe for the first time , ottomans came some 2000 years afterwards

I havent even posted a map.

The turks , mongloid people are a tiny minority in turkey today , that's what matters , there are more people with an arab , blakan , or ukranian descent in turkey than turks ..

Turks are a mixed race, Persians also make up about 50% of Iran but most people call themselves Iranian no? The same is the case in Turkey.

 

[jammersat]

I havent even posted a map.

whatever , recorded history says that the greeks were expelled from what is greece proper (modern day greece) , and scythians went as far as the river danube , that's how much persians went into europe..

Turks are a mixed race, Persians also make up about 50% of Iran but most people call themselves Iranian no? The same is the case in Turkey.

That's a matter of opinion , not every one who speaks farsi is persian , the same azeri people who say death to persian chauvinism , when they go to the USA and canada introduce themselves as "persian"

 

[xenon54 out]

whatever , recorded history says that the greeks were expelled from what is greece proper (modern day greece) , and scythians went as far as the river danube , that's how much persians went into europe..

Nice for you, why making a dick measuring about it then? We all are at least 50 years backwards of Europeans, doesnt matter if Turks and Iranians were in Balkans or Arabs in Iberian Peninsula some hundred or thousand years ago.

 

[jammersat]

from wikipedia

"
Within the Ottoman Empire[edit]
Within the Ottoman Empire, the name "Turk" was sometimes used to denote the Turkmen backwoodsmen, bumpkins, or the illiterate peasants in Anatolia. "Etrak-i bi-idrak", for example, was an Ottoman play on words, meaning "the ignorant Turk".[32]

Özay Mehmet in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery mentions:[33]

“ The ordinary Turks (Turkmen) did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "in the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended."(Davey 1907: 209)

”
Handan Nezir Akmeşe is another author who describes the attempts of the Young Turk movement to ingrain nationalism among the Turkish speakers of the Ottoman Empire prior to World War I.[34]

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The Seljuks were a group of Turkish warriors from Central Asia who founded the Seljuk Sultanate in Baghdad. Malik Shah was the most famous Seljuk ruler. They revived the Sunnite Islamic administration with religious institutions and universities to train bureaucrats and religious officials. In Anatolia, they established the Sultanate of Konya.

With the Seljuks, began the Ottoman Empire in Anatolia. The Ottoman was a Muslim Turkish state that extended over Southeastern Europe, Anatolia, the Middle East and North Africa. They first entered Anatolia as Seljuk soldiers. Murad II and Mehmed II consolidated much of the empire in Anatolia. The last Byzantine stronghold, Constantinople was captured by Mehmed II. The Ottoman Sultans introduced the Devshirme system by which young Christians were converted to Islam and recruited in the army. They formed an elite infantry corp called the Janissaries.

The Ottomans also had an elite ruling class who enjoyed great power and wealth. This group was composed of the original Turko-Islamic population and the new Devshirme converts. The two groups were played against each other to exercise control. Mehmed II also executed all brothers of the reigning sultan so that the crown would pass on to his son.

 

[TurkeyForever]

I'm sorry but whats this concept of "Pan-Midldle eastern invasion" suppose to be? If we are talking about invasion of Europe spear headed by all the middle-eastern ethnic/cultural/linguistic groups then the Turks never needed anyone else beside themselfs to do so. Take a good look at the Ottoman Empire, The First Bulgarian Empire, Avar Khanate and Hunnic Empire among others.

I though this thread was about Iran, not Turks or arabs.

Go get an education you are making a fool of yourself with your lack of intelligence.

 

[MertKaan]

The turks , mongloid people are a tiny minority in turkey today , that's what matters , there are more people with an arab , blakan , or ukranian descent in turkey than turks ..

I don't see any mongolid people in turkey . i don't understand why you morons says turkey people are not turk

and please say me which areas are living these arab ukranian and balkan descent people in turkey.

 

[Aramagedon]

@Serpentine

Please keep an eye on.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Indus valley 5,000 years ago.

That is in Pakistan you decrepit fraud. Here look on the map below to refresh your mind. And if your going to play the evolution game then everything can be rooted in Africa. The religion of IVC is not known and it is pure fraud for you to claim it as Hinduism. That way you might as well claim Sumer as root of Hinduism after all they walked on two legs. There is your common denominator.

 

[jammersat]

I don't see any mongolid people in turkey . i don't understand why you morons says turkey people are not turk

and please say me which areas are living these arab ukranian and balkan descent people in turkey.

i read in a book , that during the late ottoman era , people from the outer extent of the empire were more or less absorbed into the turkish society like some arabs and some people from balkan , eastern ukraine etc. ; and that gave way to the existance of groups such as the "young turks" in the late ottoman period

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And i noticed in istanbul there were more people of european looking , and that they by facial features had absolutely nothing in common with the iranian azeri , maybe only the language