Iran, father of Islamic, European civilizations

[jammersat]

iran ushered the first pan-middle eastern invasion of europe , an idea which the arabs and turks fapped on for a long time and wasted their lives with

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

You have made some very bold claims. Can you elaborate, with links to your sources?
I bet no academic would put their career at stake to prove these claims.

Edit: If, "pre-Indic and pre-Persian" you mean it predates both, well of course it does. But that in no way indicates any connection to present day Hinduism.

Lets get the fact straight .

1 Archaeology is against AIT
2 Linguistics are in Favor of AIT

We have two sets of researchers , 1 group in favor and 1 group against .
Research is still in progress . Both sides have given their points and findings .

There are 1000's of Articles in favor and Against AIT .

I don't know what the correct name for them is , may be they are called Proto Indo European .

EDIT : Hinduism is a Dynamic Religion . It has Evolved a number of Times . The basics are still there . Of course , 95% of modern Hinduism has got nothing to do with the one from where it began .

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

My dear friends please discuss about history in another thread.

I understand the pain of ones beloved thread getting Hijacked by others

 

[farhan_9909]

Iranian civilizations are thousands years before Sumerians.

Ancient Iranian Civilizations since 11000 years ago

If u watch the videos it shows that.

11000 years old?

The oldest civilization as per many source's is mesopotamia(iraq) followed closely by Indus valley civilization(Within Pakistan and some parts of india).

 

[Aramagedon]

11000 years old?

The oldest civilization as per many source's is mesopotamia(iraq) followed closely by Indus valley civilization(Within Pakistan and some parts of india).

Some of Iranian civilizations are 12000 years old. Much older than Mesopotamia.

Meymand is a very ancient village which is located near Shahr-e Babak city in Kerman Province, Iran. Meymand is believed to be a primary human residence in the Iranian Plateau, dating back to 12,000 years ago.

Meymand, Kerman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cave painting in Doushe cave, Lorestan Province, Iran, 10,000 years ago:

Lorestan Province - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zagros Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kermanshah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zayandeh River Culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Maira La]

My dear, you seem to confuse Islam and Hinduism in that respective. Would you care to highlight these rituals that "was brought by Central Asian Invaders".

My dear, everyone came from that direction.

Even the oldest inhabitants of the peninsula, the Australoidic Dravidians, came from that direction after the "out of Africa" exodus. (Note: almost pure ASI today exists in the Andamans only.)

 

[farhan_9909]

It's proved that some civilizations in Iran are around 9000 - 11000 years old. Much much older than Iraq's mesopotamia.

Zagros Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kermanshah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zayandeh River Culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lorestan Province - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway Mesopotamians are 100% Iranic people.

Timeline of ancient civilizations.

Timeline of human prehistory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10 oldest Ancient civilizations ever existed

 

[Malik Alashter]

Recommend to watch this video:

Iranians gifted all the sciences to Islamic world and the backward medieval age Europe. (from 30:00)

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Ancient Iranian Civilizations since 11000 years ago


Be Eternal IRAN.

This video shows the Mesopotamia Which is Iraq today well it's the same name for millennia.

 

[Aramagedon]

Timeline of ancient civilizations.

Timeline of human prehistory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10 oldest Ancient civilizations ever existed

We don't have much information about 8000 years ago but some of Iranian civilizations are 12,000 years old which means they are much older than Mesopotamia.

Zagros:

History
Signs of early agriculture date back as far as 9000 BC to the foothills of the Zagros Mountains,[13] in cities later named Anshan and Susa. Jarmois one archaeological site in this area. Shanidar, where the ancient skeletal remains of Neanderthals have been found, is another.

Zagros Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The oldest Pyramid in the world is found in Iran's Kashan which is 5000 years old and Kashan is a 8000 years old city.

Tepe Sialk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kashan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rey, Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tehran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Signs of 9000-year-old settlement found in Iran's Behbahan

Chogha Mish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ancient Iranian Civilizations since 11000 years ago

 

[Malik Alashter]

Iranian civilizations are thousands years before Sumerians.

Ancient Iranian Civilizations since 11000 years ago

If u watch the videos it shows that.

Ok, but the fifth video claim Iraq as Iran which not right Iraq way before Iran setting the alpha bet of civilizations in Iraq they invented the first letters and the first bar of soap and the wheel.

When the Mongol invaded China and rule it for hundreds of years that doesn't mean China is a Mongol land.

China is the a Civilized nation even if it fail under the rule of the Mongol.

I can say the same for Iraq and Iran when Iranian ( Persians ) invaded Iraq after the sun set of the Sumerian era that doesn't make Iraq part of Iran or Iranian territory.

Just like when Arab invaded Iran they can't claim the product of knowledge that Iran produced belong to the Arab after then.Arab Were like Mongol to China as Iranian were like Mongol when they invaded Iraq thousands years ago.

 

[Aramagedon]

Ok, but the fifth video claim Iraq as Iran which not right Iraq way before Iran setting the alpha bet of civilizations in Iraq they invented the first letters and the first bar of soap and the wheel.

When the Mongol invaded China and rule it for hundreds of years that doesn't mean China is a Mongol land.

China is the a Civilized nation even if it fail under the rule of the Mongol.

I can say the same for Iraq and Iran when Iranian ( Persians ) invaded Iraq after the sun set of the Sumerian era that doesn't make Iraq part of Iran or Iranian territory.

Just like when Arab invaded Iran they can't claim the product of knowledge that Iran produced belong to the Arab after then.Arab Were like Mongol to China as Iranian were like Mongol when they invaded Iraq thousands years ago.

Iraq was not a part of Iran before the Achaemenid empire. It was attached to Iran after the Achaemenid empire. Nevertheless I don't why some people brought Iraq and Sumer to this thread even though in second video it clearly proves Iranian civilizations are much older than Sumer.

 

[farhan_9909]

We don't have much information about 8000 years ago but some of Iranian civilizations are 11,000 years old which means they are older than Mesopotamia.

Zagros:

History
Signs of early agriculture date back as far as 9000 BC to the foothills of the Zagros Mountains,[13] in cities later named Anshan and Susa. Jarmois one archaeological site in this area. Shanidar, where the ancient skeletal remains of Neanderthals have been found, is another.

Zagros Mountains - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The oldest world's Pyramid is found in Iran's Kashan which is 5000 years old pyramid in a city which is 8000 years old.

Tepe Sialk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kashan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case no one can cecisively say who was the first civilization but it seems Iranians, Mesopotamians and Indus valley are the oldest civilizations in the world. This thread tells alot:

Ancient Iranian Civilizations since 11000 years ago

Those 11000 years old minors sites are not true civilizations.this is the reason they are not considered as cradle of civilization like mesopotamia.

I agree about the part that Iranian civilization indeed is among the oldest in the world.

 

[BordoEnes]

iran ushered the first pan-middle eastern invasion of europe , an idea which the arabs and turks fapped on for a long time and wasted their lives with

I'm sorry but whats this concept of "Pan-Midldle eastern invasion" suppose to be? If we are talking about invasion of Europe spear headed by all the middle-eastern ethnic/cultural/linguistic groups then the Turks never needed anyone else beside themselfs to do so. Take a good look at the Ottoman Empire, The First Bulgarian Empire, Avar Khanate and Hunnic Empire among others.

I though this thread was about Iran, not Turks or arabs.

 

[vsdoc]

The poignant need to reach out to their past in search of a non Arab base identity and the revisionist historic yoga that it entails is as endearing as that of Pakistanis and the IVC.

Cute.